2016 Playoffs Round 1: OKC Thunder vs. Dallas Mavericks

[actively]

Gobert has similar statistics with Adams, so called advanced statistics, but he is offensive liability, but since defense has too much weight in them he has like net plus 3 rating. We played with Utah many times, who was better player, Gobert or Kanter.

[Andre Roberstan]

Actually I like KD and Russ, even Foye and Dion (he often doesnt pass the ball to Kanter, and poor decision maker). I have no problem with Adams, either he is nice guy, hope he succeeds, but his supporters highly biased, and fanatic, most probably age related.

Every high-minute lineup with Adams in it is better by the numbers than the equivalent with Kanter. Every advanced stat has Adams higher than Kanter. Kanter's better at scoring points and rebounding, but Adams is a better all-around player at this point in his career. By the time he's 27 or so, Kanter might have made up enough ground on defense to be a net positive. But at this point Adams is better for the team.

That's all based on easily-available statistics, which we have several years worth of data for. You want to argue Kanter may be better overall at some point, sure. But at the moment Adams is better for the team.

Advanced statistics based on pluses and minuses???? Defense has too much weight in these statistics, espn never enclose how he calculates them, any data based on pluses and minuses are worthless statistically speaking, no randomization. I already said that I do not believe them.
These statistics says that Kanter had a negative net impact in the fourth last game, How can you believe them.

If defense had too much weight, Roberson would be a net positive across the board on advanced stats. He's not, at least not on all of them.

At this point you're just saying "He's better, believe me" and ignoring what statistics we have outside of raw box score numbers. Which is fine, if you want to wind up giving big contracts to JJ Hickson, Rajon Rondo and Michael Beasley.

[actively]

Every high-minute lineup with Adams in it is better by the numbers than the equivalent with Kanter. Every advanced stat has Adams higher than Kanter. Kanter's better at scoring points and rebounding, but Adams is a better all-around player at this point in his career. By the time he's 27 or so, Kanter might have made up enough ground on defense to be a net positive. But at this point Adams is better for the team.

That's all based on easily-available statistics, which we have several years worth of data for. You want to argue Kanter may be better overall at some point, sure. But at the moment Adams is better for the team.

Advanced statistics based on pluses and minuses???? Defense has too much weight in these statistics, espn never enclose how he calculates them, any data based on pluses and minuses are worthless statistically speaking, no randomization. I already said that I do not believe them.
These statistics says that Kanter had a negative net impact in the fourth last game, How can you believe them.

If defense had too much weight, Roberson would be a net positive across the board on advanced stats. He's not, at least not on all of them.

At this point you're just saying "He's better, believe me" and ignoring what statistics we have outside of raw box score numbers. Which is fine, if you want to wind up giving big contracts to JJ Hickson, Rajon Rondo and Michael Beasley.

As an offensive player, Kanter was at the bottom of these statistics lat year, and OKC payed him 17 million dollars a year, knowing these statistics, do you think OKC management put any value on them more than you do.

Just rank those numbers you will see defense has too many high numbers in absolute terms.

[bondom34]

Its hard to know but Adams has many sympathizers in this forum, it is just pain to read through.

Saying he's a better player isn't sympathizing.

I guess we're all Durant sympathizers too. And Westbrook.

Must be awful to read.

Actually I like KD and Russ, even Foye and Dion (he often doesnt pass the ball to Kanter, and poor decision maker). I have no problem with Adams, either he is nice guy, hope he succeeds, but his supporters highly biased, and fanatic, most probably age related.

This doesn't make sense, nobody's a fan of Adams only here. You admitted that for Kanter, which would actually make you the one guilty of what you're claiming. He's got "supporters" because he's better.

[bondom34]

Actually I like KD and Russ, even Foye and Dion (he often doesnt pass the ball to Kanter, and poor decision maker). I have no problem with Adams, either he is nice guy, hope he succeeds, but his supporters highly biased, and fanatic, most probably age related.

Every high-minute lineup with Adams in it is better by the numbers than the equivalent with Kanter. Every advanced stat has Adams higher than Kanter. Kanter's better at scoring points and rebounding, but Adams is a better all-around player at this point in his career. By the time he's 27 or so, Kanter might have made up enough ground on defense to be a net positive. But at this point Adams is better for the team.

That's all based on easily-available statistics, which we have several years worth of data for. You want to argue Kanter may be better overall at some point, sure. But at the moment Adams is better for the team.

Advanced statistics based on pluses and minuses???? Defense has too much weight in these statistics, espn never enclose how he calculates them, any data based on pluses and minuses are worthless statistically speaking, no randomization. I already said that I do not believe them.
These statistics says that Kanter had a negative net impact in the fourth last game, How can you believe them.

OKC scores more points than the opponent when Adams plays compared to Kanter.

Scoring more than the other team = winning.

It isn't difficult. It isn't anything ESPN calculates, its simple addition and subtraction.

[actively]

Saying he's a better player isn't sympathizing.

I guess we're all Durant sympathizers too. And Westbrook.

Must be awful to read.

Actually I like KD and Russ, even Foye and Dion (he often doesnt pass the ball to Kanter, and poor decision maker). I have no problem with Adams, either he is nice guy, hope he succeeds, but his supporters highly biased, and fanatic, most probably age related.

This doesn't make sense, nobody's a fan of Adams only here. You admitted that for Kanter, which would actually make you the one guilty of what you're claiming. He's got "supporters" because he's better.

I feel like any Kanter writer gets offended, you have strong opinions on many players,

Do not forget Kanter is 23, and Adams 23, who knows who is better potentially, just wait another two years, now too early to tell.

[bondom34]

Actually I like KD and Russ, even Foye and Dion (he often doesnt pass the ball to Kanter, and poor decision maker). I have no problem with Adams, either he is nice guy, hope he succeeds, but his supporters highly biased, and fanatic, most probably age related.

This doesn't make sense, nobody's a fan of Adams only here. You admitted that for Kanter, which would actually make you the one guilty of what you're claiming. He's got "supporters" because he's better.

I feel like any Kanter writer gets offended, you have strong opinions on many players,

Do not forget Kanter is 23, and Adams 23, who knows who is better potentially, just wait another two years, now too early to tell.

Adams is 22 and has been playing for less time. He's also already better so he's starting from a better baseline. He's also making much less money.

[actively]

This doesn't make sense, nobody's a fan of Adams only here. You admitted that for Kanter, which would actually make you the one guilty of what you're claiming. He's got "supporters" because he's better.

I feel like any Kanter writer gets offended, you have strong opinions on many players,

Do not forget Kanter is 23, and Adams 23, who knows who is better potentially, just wait another two years, now too early to tell.

Adams is 22 and has been playing for less time. He's also already better so he's starting from a better baseline. He's also making much less money.

He is 22, I just couldnt edit later.

Kanter did not play one year, when he was at Kentucky. That also make a difference.

When you compare two players, just compare their past teams too, it just make a lot of difference.
His couch was very bad in Utah, three years under Corbin .
He didnt have Mentors, or leaders, like KD and Russ, Perkins. He had a a rookie pg,Trey Burke, who rarely passed him the ball, then he learnt offensive rebounds, the only way he could score, by putbacks. Even KD and Russ were in Utah, they would never be contenders under Corbin.

[bondom34]

I feel like any Kanter writer gets offended, you have strong opinions on many players,

Do not forget Kanter is 23, and Adams 23, who knows who is better potentially, just wait another two years, now too early to tell.

Adams is 22 and has been playing for less time. He's also already better so he's starting from a better baseline. He's also making much less money.

He is 22, I just couldnt edit later.

Kanter did not play one year, when he was at Kentucky. That also make a difference.

When you compare two players, just compare their past teams too, it just make a lot of difference.
His couch was very bad in Utah, three years under Corbin .
He didnt have Mentors, or leaders, like KD and Russ, Perkins. He had a a rookie pg,Trey Burke, who rarely passed him the ball, then he learnt offensive rebounds, the only way he could score, by putbacks. Even KD and Russ were in Utah, they would never be contenders under Corbin.

The last sentence is just flatly wrong. But Adams played a year at Pitt and didn't play growing up, while Kanter was at a pro level in Turkey. He's less experienced.

I like both of them, and if it were feasible to keep both I'd rather it, but at this point the team needs a wing player and the way to get one is to trade the most redundant big man fit wise for a better wing. Considering Adams is younger, less experienced, cheaper, and better, he's easy to keep.

Edit: I also just realized you said Kanter is better than Gobert. Yeah I'm' just gonna leave the conversation at that point. You could make a case Adams is, but just not even close.

[Pillendreher]

Let's go! Let's finish this **** tonight.

[NaturalThunder]

Durant, you're shot has been way, way off the entire series. Making your first shot a catch nd shoot 17-footer with a defender in your jersey is a stupid decision.

Second shot, getting to the basket, is a much better decision.

[NaturalThunder]

Our defense picking up right where it left off in game 4:

It ****ing sucks.

[NaturalThunder]

Even when Ibaka plays great defense on Dirk, he still throws a one-legged shot up that hits the very top of the backboard and drains it falls in to the basket.

[actively]

Adams is 22 and has been playing for less time. He's also already better so he's starting from a better baseline. He's also making much less money.

He is 22, I just couldnt edit later.

Kanter did not play one year, when he was at Kentucky. That also make a difference.

When you compare two players, just compare their past teams too, it just make a lot of difference.
His couch was very bad in Utah, three years under Corbin .
He didnt have Mentors, or leaders, like KD and Russ, Perkins. He had a a rookie pg,Trey Burke, who rarely passed him the ball, then he learnt offensive rebounds, the only way he could score, by putbacks. Even KD and Russ were in Utah, they would never be contenders under Corbin.

The last sentence is just flatly wrong. But Adams played a year at Pitt and didn't play growing up, while Kanter was at a pro level in Turkey. He's less experienced.

I like both of them, and if it were feasible to keep both I'd rather it, but at this point the team needs a wing player and the way to get one is to trade the most redundant big man fit wise for a better wing. Considering Adams is younger, less experienced, cheaper, and better, he's easy to keep.

Edit: I also just realized you said Kanter is better than Gobert. Yeah I'm' just gonna leave the conversation at that point. You could make a case Adams is, but just not even close.

Last sentence was from thread about Kanter from Jazzfans. I might be wrong. Anyway lets watch the game.

[Pillendreher]

I like our start to the game. Now don't let this get any closer all night.

[bondom34]

He is 22, I just couldnt edit later.

Kanter did not play one year, when he was at Kentucky. That also make a difference.

When you compare two players, just compare their past teams too, it just make a lot of difference.
His couch was very bad in Utah, three years under Corbin .
He didnt have Mentors, or leaders, like KD and Russ, Perkins. He had a a rookie pg,Trey Burke, who rarely passed him the ball, then he learnt offensive rebounds, the only way he could score, by putbacks. Even KD and Russ were in Utah, they would never be contenders under Corbin.

The last sentence is just flatly wrong. But Adams played a year at Pitt and didn't play growing up, while Kanter was at a pro level in Turkey. He's less experienced.

I like both of them, and if it were feasible to keep both I'd rather it, but at this point the team needs a wing player and the way to get one is to trade the most redundant big man fit wise for a better wing. Considering Adams is younger, less experienced, cheaper, and better, he's easy to keep.

Edit: I also just realized you said Kanter is better than Gobert. Yeah I'm' just gonna leave the conversation at that point. You could make a case Adams is, but just not even close.

Last sentence was from thread about Kanter from Jazzfans. I might be wrong. Anyway lets watch the game.

Lets.

And I don't know what Jazz fans have to do w/ anything, but anyone would take Gobert too.

[OkcMagic]

what yall gotta bitch about now .. its only been 6 minutes but I know yall found something to bitch about

[Pillendreher]

Don't take him out now Billy come on. He needs to get a rhythm - he can't get that on the bench.

[NaturalThunder]

Raymond Felton still in "make everything I throw up" mode.

[Pillendreher]

Man, if only Collison were a couple years younger. Still so skilled.