2021 NBA Draft Thread

[ThunderBolt]

https://hoopswire.com/heat-knicks-pelicans-pacers-thunder-lakers-among-collin-sexton-suitors/

Hope this is fake.

Sam Amick has made a name for Sam Amico. Imagine how popular I would be if my name were Adrian Wojnoroski. I could just make up crap and get hits on websites and followers on social media.

It would make a super expensive team really quick. Im not sure id take back Love to get Sexton, even if all it cost was cap space

I don't understand why the same front office was willing to pay Kevin Love but not Sexton.

[Dn4sty]

Sam Amick has made a name for Sam Amico. Imagine how popular I would be if my name were Adrian Wojnoroski. I could just make up crap and get hits on websites and followers on social media.

It would make a super expensive team really quick. Im not sure id take back Love to get Sexton, even if all it cost was cap space

I don't understand why the same front office was willing to pay Kevin Love but not Sexton.

Actually I take back what I said. I’d take Sexton and Love into the OKC cap space, but not add any meaningful assets

[jambalaya]

The Sexton story smacks of massive lip service for Cavs and / or Sexton.

My take is that half or more of story is lip service , dubious speculation or story peddling. But I could be wrong.

Anybody giving Sexton a max or near max is insane imo. Maybe a desperate team looking at 2024 and beyond. A contender? Sounds whack to me.

Sexton to Knicks... maybe. The other 5 I really doubt. Team and / or player smoke. And / or writer smoke.

[Dadouv47]

Yeah I really can't see how Cleveland is gonna receive a lot of value for Sexton (except if he's willing to get less money somewhere else).

I was a bit scared about a situation close to the Sexton one with Shai before last regular season...

[retrobro90]

Also if the ankle stuff is indeed correct about Springer, then he’s so so underrated based on mocks.

6-4/205 with a 6-8 wingspan

Yeah I'm really interested in this now. Springer didn't dazzle me in the Tennessee games I saw this year and his finishing always looked like Dort's does where the ball leaves his hands from below sea level. If he's got real vertical pop that changes things pretty dramatically for me because the size and strength always looked functional. He's a low center of gravity guy w big legs kinda like Josh Christopher.

[ThunderBolt]

I’m really surprised about how many podcasts mention using bazley to trade up in the draft. Objectively, bazley’s value is very low. If he doesn’t make some significant improvement this year, I don’t see him being around the following year.

[Dadouv47]

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[Devilanche]

I’m really surprised about how many podcasts mention using bazley to trade up in the draft. Objectively, bazley’s value is very low. If he doesn’t make some significant improvement this year, I don’t see him being around the following year.

Are those thunder podcast or external team ?

If Thunder : no surprise we overrate our own players
If others : I refer you to what they value SGA in terms of trading up in the draft . I don’t think everyone is fully in tuned with realgm value of picks vs players vs other team player and even sometimes we are out of tune with actual trade of players .

[Dadouv47]

I’m really surprised about how many podcasts mention using bazley to trade up in the draft. Objectively, bazley’s value is very low. If he doesn’t make some significant improvement this year, I don’t see him being around the following year.

Didn't see those trade scenarios but yeah can't see a team giving up a lot for Bazley. I wouldn't give up a late FRP for him tbh.

No idea which team could use him...maybe Detroit since they are early in their rebuild or Orlando if Isaac can't stay healthy.

[ThunderBolt]

I’m really surprised about how many podcasts mention using bazley to trade up in the draft. Objectively, bazley’s value is very low. If he doesn’t make some significant improvement this year, I don’t see him being around the following year.

Are those thunder podcast or external team ?

If Thunder : no surprise we overrate our own players
If others : I refer you to what they value SGA in terms of trading up in the draft . I don’t think everyone is fully in tuned with realgm value of picks vs players vs other team player and even sometimes we are out of tune with actual trade of players .

Mainly the thunder podcasts. All of them seem to think bazley is a pretty good sweetener.

[Dn4sty]

I’m really surprised about how many podcasts mention using bazley to trade up in the draft. Objectively, bazley’s value is very low. If he doesn’t make some significant improvement this year, I don’t see him being around the following year.

Are those thunder podcast or external team ?

If Thunder : no surprise we overrate our own players
If others : I refer you to what they value SGA in terms of trading up in the draft . I don’t think everyone is fully in tuned with realgm value of picks vs players vs other team player and even sometimes we are out of tune with actual trade of players .

Mainly the thunder podcasts. All of them seem to think bazley is a pretty good sweetener.

The only Thunder podcast I listen to is down to dunk. Have they mentioned this about Bazley?

[ThunderBolt]

Are those thunder podcast or external team ?

If Thunder : no surprise we overrate our own players
If others : I refer you to what they value SGA in terms of trading up in the draft . I don’t think everyone is fully in tuned with realgm value of picks vs players vs other team player and even sometimes we are out of tune with actual trade of players .

Mainly the thunder podcasts. All of them seem to think bazley is a pretty good sweetener.

The only Thunder podcast I listen to is down to dunk. Have they mentioned this about Bazley?

I think Miky mentioned something about it yesterday. Although he also called shai a generational talent which tends to be an over used phrase.

[Devilanche]

Mainly the thunder podcasts. All of them seem to think bazley is a pretty good sweetener.

The only Thunder podcast I listen to is down to dunk. Have they mentioned this about Bazley?

I think Miky mentioned something about it yesterday. Although he also called shai a generational talent which tends to be an over used phrase.

Shai is good but not generational .
And I don’t see Bazely as a sweetener to move up in the teens . Not even sure who wants him and our early second for a late first?

[jake_swivel]

Wonder if Kawhi likely being out all year makes it more or less likely next year’s clipper pick is used to move up top 4 in this draft. 6, 16, 18, and the 2022 clippers pick is a pretty nice offer for Cleveland or Toronto. I’m fine adding Denver and Phoenix picks, for Toronto’s pick. Give me Mobley/Suggs and let’s get after it.

[ThunderBolt]

Wonder if Kawhi likely being out all year makes it more or less likely next year’s clipper pick is used to move up top 4 in this draft. 6, 16, 18, and the 2022 clippers pick is a pretty nice offer for Cleveland or Toronto. I’m fine adding Denver and Phoenix picks, for Toronto’s pick. Give me Mobley/Suggs and let’s get after it.

I kind of wish we had more of a win now player instead of kemba. I think that’s what Toronto and Cleveland want. Obviously shai doesn’t count.

[jake_swivel]

Wonder if Kawhi likely being out all year makes it more or less likely next year’s clipper pick is used to move up top 4 in this draft. 6, 16, 18, and the 2022 clippers pick is a pretty nice offer for Cleveland or Toronto. I’m fine adding Denver and Phoenix picks, for Toronto’s pick. Give me Mobley/Suggs and let’s get after it.

I kind of wish we had more of a win now player instead of kemba. I think that’s what Toronto and Cleveland want. Obviously shai doesn’t count.

I’m kind of starting that a big deal we do will likely have a third team involved. Having a bunch of firsts is great, but I think they kind of decline when you have three one year and three the next year. Maybe something like Toronto getting Christian wood, the 6th pick, and 18 and the rockets getting 16, the Denver, Phoenix, and clippers picks. And whatever other contracts to make it work.

[Dadouv47]

Wonder if Kawhi likely being out all year makes it more or less likely next year’s clipper pick is used to move up top 4 in this draft. 6, 16, 18, and the 2022 clippers pick is a pretty nice offer for Cleveland or Toronto. I’m fine adding Denver and Phoenix picks, for Toronto’s pick. Give me Mobley/Suggs and let’s get after it.

I kind of wish we had more of a win now player instead of kemba. I think that’s what Toronto and Cleveland want. Obviously shai doesn’t count.

I’m kind of starting that a big deal we do will likely have a third team involved. Having a bunch of firsts is great, but I think they kind of decline when you have three one year and three the next year. Maybe something like Toronto getting Christian wood, the 6th pick, and 18 and the rockets getting 16, the Denver, Phoenix, and clippers picks. And whatever other contracts to make it work.

I like Mobley and Suggs but I wouldn't trade 6 picks to get to 4 (Suns/Denver picks are bad but with #6, Clippers 2022 and 16/18, that's A LOT).

Would want to keep 18 and Clippers 2022, and if no deal I'm fine.

[ThunderBolt]

Wonder if Kawhi likely being out all year makes it more or less likely next year’s clipper pick is used to move up top 4 in this draft. 6, 16, 18, and the 2022 clippers pick is a pretty nice offer for Cleveland or Toronto. I’m fine adding Denver and Phoenix picks, for Toronto’s pick. Give me Mobley/Suggs and let’s get after it.

I kind of wish we had more of a win now player instead of kemba. I think that’s what Toronto and Cleveland want. Obviously shai doesn’t count.

I’m kind of starting that a big deal we do will likely have a third team involved. Having a bunch of firsts is great, but I think they kind of decline when you have three one year and three the next year. Maybe something like Toronto getting Christian wood, the 6th pick, and 18 and the rockets getting 16, the Denver, Phoenix, and clippers picks. And whatever other contracts to make it work.

im wondering if sam will try to trade some of our sooner picks for further out. That will help a lot but it’s pretty tricky trying to match value on a 2022 pick against one in 2025.

[ThunderBolt]

So what are the thoughts on shariffe cooper? He seems like a guy that we don’t “need” because of shai. However, at worst he could be a really good back up. If the jump shot comes around he could be great. I don’t see him making his team worse.

[Devilanche]

I kind of wish we had more of a win now player instead of kemba. I think that’s what Toronto and Cleveland want. Obviously shai doesn’t count.

I’m kind of starting that a big deal we do will likely have a third team involved. Having a bunch of firsts is great, but I think they kind of decline when you have three one year and three the next year. Maybe something like Toronto getting Christian wood, the 6th pick, and 18 and the rockets getting 16, the Denver, Phoenix, and clippers picks. And whatever other contracts to make it work.

im wondering if sam will try to trade some of our sooner picks for further out. That will help a lot but it’s pretty tricky trying to match value on a 2022 pick against one in 2025.

That’s the thing. I think picks between 20-30 and 40s -60s are more likely to be traded for future picks . Where we are right now I can only see 18 and 55 traded for future picks unless the 36 is netting us a few 2nds