2021 NBA Draft Thread

[thedoppelganger]

So what are the thoughts on shariffe cooper? He seems like a guy that we don’t “need” because of shai. However, at worst he could be a really good back up. If the jump shot comes around he could be great. I don’t see him making his team worse.

If we stay at 16 + 18, I'd be ok with taking one of Sharife or Springer. Leaning towards Springer at the moment as he conceptually makes more sense next to Shai, but Cooper would be fun and something very different than what we have. Springer's more of a secondary initiator, while it feels like Cooper needs the ball in his hands to be effective until he develops consistency in his unconventional jumper. Can't deny he is fun to watch, kinda hope he goes to the Knicks both for fit and entertainment value at MSG.

The development room at the guard position is already looking pretty full on minutes between Shai, Maledon, Jerome, Dort, so adding another to that group will mean a lot of 3 guard lineups or having Dort full time at the 3 which doesn't seem great. This all assumes Kemba isn't taking time from any of these guys either.

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Hollinger is again very interesting

[ThunderBolt]

So what are the thoughts on shariffe cooper? He seems like a guy that we don’t “need” because of shai. However, at worst he could be a really good back up. If the jump shot comes around he could be great. I don’t see him making his team worse.

If we stay at 16 + 18, I'd be ok with taking one of Sharife or Springer. Leaning towards Springer at the moment as he conceptually makes more sense next to Shai, but Cooper would be fun and something very different than what we have. Springer's more of a secondary initiator, while it feels like Cooper needs the ball in his hands to be effective until he develops consistency in his unconventional jumper. Can't deny he is fun to watch, kinda hope he goes to the Knicks both for fit and entertainment value at MSG.

The development room at the guard position is already looking pretty full on minutes between Shai, Maledon, Jerome, Dort, so adding another to that group will mean a lot of 3 guard lineups or having Dort full time at the 3 which doesn't seem great. This all assumes Kemba isn't taking time from any of these guys either.

I feel the same with a leaning towards Springer. If the rumors of his improved explosiveness are true, I'm curious how much he moves up.

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[thedoppelganger]

Schlect somehow got Vrenz to come on the DTD podcast today for about 15 minutes, not sure how he pulled that off but was interesting to hear a pretty candid interview from a guy in the middle of the draft process.

Vrenz is really tight with Vit Krejci, so he's heard a lot about the organization already. Really enjoyed his workout/visit with us, mentioned we were the most professional of the places he'd been to so far. Likes the fact that they're letting guys like Poku get a chance to develop, and hopes he ends up in a situation like that. Think we're pretty high on the list of teams he wants to go to, he even had a slip at one point where he said 'we' instead of OKC.

[BlazersBroncos]

I think Vrenz at 18 is a real possibility albeit ideally you can do 34/36 to a team like HOU that needs bodies top-to-bottom and get 24.

[Dadouv47]

I think Vrenz at 18 is a real possibility albeit ideally you can do 34/36 to a team like HOU that needs bodies top-to-bottom and get 24.

I really like him but don't think he's a top 20 prospect in this draft. Also gonna turn 21 pretty soon so not ideal, and transition from belgian league to NBA is pretty big. We also need to draft a center with either 16 or 18 (well I hope we are going to be able to move up with those picks).

He looks like a mature and great guy with a lot of potential though so I would love to pick him in the 2nd round but I guess the Knicks would pick him with #32 so we will have to try to move up with 35/36 and maybe some small asset. Pretty unlikely teams from 25 to 31 would pick him.

[Devilanche]

I think Vrenz at 18 is a real possibility albeit ideally you can do 34/36 to a team like HOU that needs bodies top-to-bottom and get 24.

I really like him but don't think he's a top 20 prospect in this draft. Also gonna turn 21 pretty soon so not ideal, and transition from belgian league to NBA is pretty big. We also need to draft a center with either 16 or 18 (well I hope we are going to be able to move up with those picks).

He looks like a mature and great guy with a lot of potential though so I would love to pick him in the 2nd round but I guess the Knicks would pick him with #32 so we will have to try to move up with 35/36 and maybe some small asset. Pretty unlikely teams from 25 to 31 would pick him.

We can always draft a center next season and resign Bradley or trade for someone . Heck even start muscala there

[ThunderBolt]

I think Vrenz at 18 is a real possibility albeit ideally you can do 34/36 to a team like HOU that needs bodies top-to-bottom and get 24.

I really like him but don't think he's a top 20 prospect in this draft. Also gonna turn 21 pretty soon so not ideal, and transition from belgian league to NBA is pretty big. We also need to draft a center with either 16 or 18 (well I hope we are going to be able to move up with those picks).

He looks like a mature and great guy with a lot of potential though so I would love to pick him in the 2nd round but I guess the Knicks would pick him with #32 so we will have to try to move up with 35/36 and maybe some small asset. Pretty unlikely teams from 25 to 31 would pick him.

We can always draft a center next season and resign Bradley or trade for someone . Heck even start muscala there

Ya besides Mobley none of the other bigs excite me in this draft.

[namlede]

vrenz is super toolsy, but he is missing something to me, maybe it's the ugly shot mechanics.

love how fluid and mobile he is, but we already have someone like that in Poku.

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[Devilanche]

vrenz is super toolsy, but he is missing something to me, maybe it's the ugly shot mechanics.

love how fluid and mobile he is, but we already have someone like that in Poku.

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So long as we have the minutes , the “why not both” approach applies I guess.

[ThunderBolt]

Schlect somehow got Vrenz to come on the DTD podcast today for about 15 minutes, not sure how he pulled that off but was interesting to hear a pretty candid interview from a guy in the middle of the draft process.

Vrenz is really tight with Vit Krejci, so he's heard a lot about the organization already. Really enjoyed his workout/visit with us, mentioned we were the most professional of the places he'd been to so far. Likes the fact that they're letting guys like Poku get a chance to develop, and hopes he ends up in a situation like that. Think we're pretty high on the list of teams he wants to go to, he even had a slip at one point where he said 'we' instead of OKC.

Just got a chance to listen to this. There is definitely something there with the thunder beyond casual interest. He even said Daigneult really liked his profile. I hope we get him.

[ThunderBolt]

I think i'm fine if barnes falls to us at the sixth pick. I'm not in love with everything about him but I feel like he does enough things well that his floor justifies taking him there. Besides him, I really don't like our options unless something crazy happens like Suggs falls or we trade up.

Kuminga just doesn't do enough well to excite me but I do see a high ceiling if he develops. Most of the other guy feel like too much of a reach at six.

[Devilanche]

I think i'm fine if barnes falls to us at the sixth pick. I'm not in love with everything about him but I feel like he does enough things well that his floor justifies taking him there. Besides him, I really don't like our options unless something crazy happens like Suggs falls or we trade up.

Kuminga just doesn't do enough well to excite me but I do see a high ceiling if he develops. Most of the other guy feel like too much of a reach at six.

So cavs go Barnes / Kuminga
Toronto go Mobley
Orlando went for what’s left of Barnes / Kuminga
Then we go Suggs ?

Pretty unlikely I guess. Even if it’s a team picking someone from the non consensus top 6 with their pick … it should still be Barnes / Kuminga at 6.

[ThunderBolt]

I think i'm fine if barnes falls to us at the sixth pick. I'm not in love with everything about him but I feel like he does enough things well that his floor justifies taking him there. Besides him, I really don't like our options unless something crazy happens like Suggs falls or we trade up.

Kuminga just doesn't do enough well to excite me but I do see a high ceiling if he develops. Most of the other guy feel like too much of a reach at six.

So cavs go Barnes / Kuminga
Toronto go Mobley
Orlando went for what’s left of Barnes / Kuminga
Then we go Suggs ?

Pretty unlikely I guess. Even if it’s a team picking someone from the non consensus top 6 with their pick … it should still be Barnes / Kuminga at 6.

I do think something will happen in the top five that we don't expect but I'm not sure that results in us being left with anything other than Kuminga. If Toronto takes barnes, I still don't think Orlando would pass on suggs despite having Fultz and Anthony. And maybe we get Kuminga and he's actually really good. Perhaps the G-league just wasn't good for him. Even the best scouts in the world really don't know about these guys. I'm just ready for the draft to be done.

[Dadouv47]

I think i'm fine if barnes falls to us at the sixth pick. I'm not in love with everything about him but I feel like he does enough things well that his floor justifies taking him there. Besides him, I really don't like our options unless something crazy happens like Suggs falls or we trade up.

Kuminga just doesn't do enough well to excite me but I do see a high ceiling if he develops. Most of the other guy feel like too much of a reach at six.

So cavs go Barnes / Kuminga
Toronto go Mobley
Orlando went for what’s left of Barnes / Kuminga
Then we go Suggs ?

Pretty unlikely I guess. Even if it’s a team picking someone from the non consensus top 6 with their pick … it should still be Barnes / Kuminga at 6.

I do think something will happen in the top five that we don't expect but I'm not sure that results in us being left with anything other than Kuminga. If Toronto takes barnes, I still don't think Orlando would pass on suggs despite having Fultz and Anthony. And maybe we get Kuminga and he's actually really good. Perhaps the G-league just wasn't good for him. Even the best scouts in the world really don't know about these guys. I'm just ready for the draft to be done.

Pretty much this. Orlando might end up being the lucky team. No way they are all gonna pass on Suggs.

We could find a trade with Orlando if they don't love Suggs that much but he should be a great fit for them and they can draft a pretty good SF/PF at 8 so gonna be really difficult to grap Suggs.

[ThunderBolt]

So cavs go Barnes / Kuminga
Toronto go Mobley
Orlando went for what’s left of Barnes / Kuminga
Then we go Suggs ?

Pretty unlikely I guess. Even if it’s a team picking someone from the non consensus top 6 with their pick … it should still be Barnes / Kuminga at 6.

I do think something will happen in the top five that we don't expect but I'm not sure that results in us being left with anything other than Kuminga. If Toronto takes barnes, I still don't think Orlando would pass on suggs despite having Fultz and Anthony. And maybe we get Kuminga and he's actually really good. Perhaps the G-league just wasn't good for him. Even the best scouts in the world really don't know about these guys. I'm just ready for the draft to be done.

Pretty much this. Orlando might end up being the lucky team. No way they are all gonna pass on Suggs.

We could find a trade with Orlando if they don't love Suggs that much but he should be a great fit for them and they can draft a pretty good SF/PF at 8 so gonna be really difficult to grap Suggs.

There isn't any team that is ahead of us that shouldn't draft best player available. You could argue that if Toronto did like barnes that he isn't a great fit alongside OG but, if that's how they feel then they should take Suggs who is considered by most to be the better player.

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I'm ready for the rumor mill and smokescreens to start up, we're two weeks away and feels like nothing is really leaking yet outside of Houston being desperate for Cade. But if anyone in the top 5 is going to do something crazy, tough not to bet on the Cavs.

[basketballRob]

Barnes just snapped a video of OKC locker room.

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