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I'm going to request that you all stop bashing Presti for his philosophy of internal development and growth with no significant additions to fix obvious issues at the trade deadline. We all have our roles here. My role is to speak the truth about Presti being incompetent and having no desire to win a championship. The rest of you have the role of telling me I am wrong for having the goal of first or worst and that making the playoffs is enough and Presti is great and wonderful.
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Kizz Fastfists wrote:I'm going to request that you all stop bashing Presti for his philosophy of internal development and growth with no significant additions to fix obvious issues at the trade deadline. We all have our roles here. My role is to speak the truth about Presti being incompetent and having no desire to win a championship. The rest of you have the role of telling me I am wrong for having the goal of first or worst and that making the playoffs is enough and Presti is great and wonderful.
your takes were to go after Olynyk or John Collins to win a title and we couldn't trade for worse players in order to reach that. Imagine them defending on Jokic...would be worse than Jwill.
Presti likes internal development too much but he fixed some issues by bringing Caruso/Hartenstein. Hartenstein is a great signing (maybe one of the best in OKC history which isn't difficulty because we never attract free agents) and those playoffs would be over without Caruso.
Most people thought Jalen Williams was gonna take a leap offensively (myself included) but he didn't so I don't blame Presti for that but he should realize it ASAP and fix it this summer.
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well it's gonna be the best or worst game 7 in Thunder history.
Game 7 in 2016 was big but playing on the road after Klay game 6 odds were not good and still Lebron and Cleveland to face in the Finals after that.
Game 7 in 2016 was big but playing on the road after Klay game 6 odds were not good and still Lebron and Cleveland to face in the Finals after that.
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We are spending almost 35 millions of salary cap on Joe, Wiggins, Kenrich and Dieng. And we're not getting anything from those guys when it matters the most.
If we lose the series, Presti should think about trading some of Dort, Joe, Wiggins, Kenrich and Dieng. We need proven shooters.
For second season in a row, defense is not a problem. This team plays great defense in playoff, but offense is shaky.
If we lose the series, Presti should think about trading some of Dort, Joe, Wiggins, Kenrich and Dieng. We need proven shooters.
For second season in a row, defense is not a problem. This team plays great defense in playoff, but offense is shaky.
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Zagor wrote:We are spending almost 35 millions of salary cap on Joe, Wiggins, Kenrich and Dieng. And we're not getting anything from those guys when it matters the most.
If we lose the series, Presti should think about trading some of Dort, Joe, Wiggins, Kenrich and Dieng. We need proven shooters.
For second season in a row, defense is not a problem. This team plays great defense in playoff, but offense is shaky.
I think a Kenrich/Joe/Dieng and picks package makes the most sense.
I was high on Isaiah Joe but he sucks.
I would still keep Wiggins if possible because he's one of the few thunder players that can create his own shot and he's not as bad as Joe on defense. He's struggling last few games but overall he's still a good player under a good contract.
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I just hope that JWill will not get a max-contract when time comes to resign. He never deserve this kind of contract. For me he is overrated. Yes he is a very good player, and was a steal in the draft....but a max-contract....no no no.
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Zagor wrote:We are spending almost 35 millions of salary cap on Joe, Wiggins, Kenrich and Dieng. And we're not getting anything from those guys when it matters the most.
If we lose the series, Presti should think about trading some of Dort, Joe, Wiggins, Kenrich and Dieng. We need proven shooters.
For second season in a row, defense is not a problem. This team plays great defense in playoff, but offense is shaky.
one of them is not like the others.
wiggins definitely delivered these playoffs. just underutilized.
joe should never be a thunder next season. i was calling for his head in the nba cup finals. i didn't need to see him struggling in the playoffs - again - to know he wouldn't deliver anything.
dort is a good trading piece.
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maybe it's true but after that stupid "game decision" status for Murray last night I hope our team focus on playing the same Denver 5.
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Dadouv47 wrote:Kizz Fastfists wrote:I'm going to request that you all stop bashing Presti for his philosophy of internal development and growth with no significant additions to fix obvious issues at the trade deadline. We all have our roles here. My role is to speak the truth about Presti being incompetent and having no desire to win a championship. The rest of you have the role of telling me I am wrong for having the goal of first or worst and that making the playoffs is enough and Presti is great and wonderful.
your takes were to go after Olynyk or John Collins to win a title and we couldn't trade for worse players in order to reach that. Imagine them defending on Jokic...would be worse than Jwill.
Presti likes internal development too much but he fixed some issues by bringing Caruso/Hartenstein. Hartenstein is a great signing (maybe one of the best in OKC history which isn't difficulty because we never attract free agents) and those playoffs would be over without Caruso.
Most people thought Jalen Williams was gonna take a leap offensively (myself included) but he didn't so I don't blame Presti for that but he should realize it ASAP and fix it this summer.
yeah, that's the thing. i would never call presti incompetent while calling for players that would probably not even crack the thunder's rotation, i mean, cam thomas, cam johnson, can they play in the thunder's level? cam johnson is 2.7 DxRAPM, 1%, and overall negative in xRAPM, cameron thomas is behing both joe and wiggins in xRAPM so is he really un upgrade? and i know moves for players like butler and kevin durant would be impopular within the fanbase so what do you want?
thunder is holding the denver nuggets to a 107.3 ortg that would tie with the charlotte hornets for the 2nd worst offensive rating in the league. in the RS nuggets had a 119.9 ortg, 4th best.
they are also holding the nuggets to 48.6 eFG%, which is way lower than the worst team in the regular season, also charlotte hornets, with 50.5%. the denver nuggets in regular season had 57.3 eFG%, good for 2nd (behind only cleveland)
in the turnover department, the nuggets is at 14.3 TOV% rating, which would be the second worst in the regular season behind only the utah jazz with 14.9%. the denver was in regular season barely outside top 10, with 12.5 TOV%.
from the defensive standpoint, the thunder in this series is in my opinion exceeding expectations. truly a phenomenal defensive effort.
the nuggets has a natural edge at rebounding, and they are contained, very close to regular season numbers both teams, when every sign led me to believe the nuggets would murder okc in rebounding, specially after that game 1. the nuggets are sky high in free throw rate, 0.25 FTA/FGA, which is 25% higher than the best team in the factor in the league, the lakers with 0.21, but the thunder is also way above their rs free throw rate, from .18 (24th) to .21.
can some of these payers we've discussed around here not be a weak link in this?
everybody knows i thought denver was top 2 worst matchup for me in these playoffs, and if not for some terrible shooting, dubious coaching decisions, and straight out choking, this series would be already over.
i think the nuggets have shown much more resilience to actually struggling than the thunder and this might be the mental aspect that is hurting the thunder. these guys when struggling has started showing some really bad body language, and play even poorly, probably desperation. the nuggets are struggling way more than the thunder from every offensive aspect, but they are bouncing back much more confident than us.
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I know I'm the more pessimistic Thunder fan ever but can't stop thinking that Westbrook might be the X factor for Denver to win tomorrow...would be the most Thunder thing ever if we lose because of him
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maybe it's true but after that stupid "game decision" status for Murray last night I hope our team focus on playing the same Denver 5.
Yes I hoped that Murray wouldn’t play but told the wife he would it was just a smoke screen but we weren’t beating Denver in Denver in that game they are just mentally stronger than us. Jdub and Chet need to step up and be mentally tough people are scared to shoot the ball would rather pass it to sga.
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Big nick wrote:Dadouv47 wrote:
maybe it's true but after that stupid "game decision" status for Murray last night I hope our team focus on playing the same Denver 5.
Yes I hoped that Murray wouldn’t play but told the wife he would it was just a smoke screen but we weren’t beating Denver in Denver in that game they are just mentally stronger than us. Jdub and Chet need to step up and be mentally tough people are scared to shoot the ball would rather pass it to sga.
well we are going to have to hit our shots in game 7 and that's a problem.
That being said, I liked the inside pass from Chet to Hartenstein (or the opposite) and sometimes Chet to a big inside for an easy two. They did it more in game 4 and 5 than last game for reason.
The fact that JDub is so scared going at the basket and missing everything is a big concern.
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Dadouv47 wrote:I know I'm the more pessimistic Thunder fan ever but can't stop thinking that Westbrook might be the X factor for Denver to win tomorrow...would be the most Thunder thing ever if we lose because of him
Maybe he will be the X-factor for us

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Dadouv47 wrote:Kizz Fastfists wrote:I'm going to request that you all stop bashing Presti for his philosophy of internal development and growth with no significant additions to fix obvious issues at the trade deadline. We all have our roles here. My role is to speak the truth about Presti being incompetent and having no desire to win a championship. The rest of you have the role of telling me I am wrong for having the goal of first or worst and that making the playoffs is enough and Presti is great and wonderful.
your takes were to go after Olynyk or John Collins to win a title and we couldn't trade for worse players in order to reach that. Imagine them defending on Jokic...would be worse than Jwill.
Presti likes internal development too much but he fixed some issues by bringing Caruso/Hartenstein. Hartenstein is a great signing (maybe one of the best in OKC history which isn't difficulty because we never attract free agents) and those playoffs would be over without Caruso.
Most people thought Jalen Williams was gonna take a leap offensively (myself included) but he didn't so I don't blame Presti for that but he should realize it ASAP and fix it this summer.
I made it very clear at the deadline last year Presti needed to pay the draft pick price to get Lauri. You think OKC would have a scoring problem with Lauri out there?
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Kizz Fastfists wrote:Dadouv47 wrote:Kizz Fastfists wrote:I'm going to request that you all stop bashing Presti for his philosophy of internal development and growth with no significant additions to fix obvious issues at the trade deadline. We all have our roles here. My role is to speak the truth about Presti being incompetent and having no desire to win a championship. The rest of you have the role of telling me I am wrong for having the goal of first or worst and that making the playoffs is enough and Presti is great and wonderful.
your takes were to go after Olynyk or John Collins to win a title and we couldn't trade for worse players in order to reach that. Imagine them defending on Jokic...would be worse than Jwill.
Presti likes internal development too much but he fixed some issues by bringing Caruso/Hartenstein. Hartenstein is a great signing (maybe one of the best in OKC history which isn't difficulty because we never attract free agents) and those playoffs would be over without Caruso.
Most people thought Jalen Williams was gonna take a leap offensively (myself included) but he didn't so I don't blame Presti for that but he should realize it ASAP and fix it this summer.
I made it very clear at the deadline last year Presti needed to pay the draft pick price to get Lauri. You think OKC would have a scoring problem with Lauri out there?
in a Lauri trade, Utah would have asked AT LEAST for Cason Wallace and I would rather have Hartenstein/Cason/Wiggins than Lauri.
Don't think the Lauri contract will age well.
and in a series against Denver, a frontcourt of Chet and Lauri would be a mess against Jokic.
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it's really a perfect occasion for JDub to redeem himself with a banged up Aaron Gordon. Still don't trust him but we will see tomorrow.
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