2017 OKC Thunder Trade Discussion

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Re: 2017 OKC Thunder Trade Discussion 

Post#941 » by Pillendreher » Thu Feb 23, 2017 11:44 am

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To be fair to Sabonis, I think his hot start was always a little misleading. One look at his body and you can tell he needs some time. He might not become a 40% 3 point shooter again, but his ability to switch on D is still great for a rookie and will probably be the strongest part of his game throughout his career and he can still pass well. The shots aren't dropping, but then again I believe he was more known for his post moves in college, and his twig of a body isn't going to be posting up many NBA players any time soon.

He's not ready yet, but I don't think that should be too surprising. I think it's more on Presti- Sabonus should be developing off the bench. Let him try and score on weaker bigs. I think in time Sabonis will be the perfect starting role player, complimenting any superstar, but he needs time to develop. We should have a starting caliber power forward for this season and probably next season in the mean time, but if we're making a dead line move it'll probably be for a 3. So I'd be surprised if we got an interim 4.


To be honest, that sounds an awful lot like Nick Collison. We can't really afford to 'waste' lottery picks like that (especially with how Payne has looked).

I've been saying collison with a 3 point shot since we got him. That's not a wasted pick, that's great value. Prime collison was consistently one of the most impactful non stars in the league.


I thinking more of starter quality while picking in a lottery. Collison was great because he came off the bench. It's a whole different conversation if he actually started.
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Re: 2017 OKC Thunder Trade Discussion 

Post#942 » by oken » Thu Feb 23, 2017 11:56 am

On the other news 76ers dealt Ersan to Atlanta for an expiring + a 2nd round pick + a pick swap which means they netted a top 20 protected 1st round pick + two high 2nd round picks for Jerami Grant.
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Post#943 » by Kizz Fastfists » Thu Feb 23, 2017 12:01 pm

Pillendreher wrote:I thinking more of starter quality while picking in a lottery. Collison was great because he came off the bench. It's a whole different conversation if he actually started.


It always depends on the draft. Last year was a very weak draft. Look at Oladipo. Dipo was a #2 pick and is the 2nd or 3rd best player out of that draft. How many of the players out of that draft would you call starter quality? McCollum, Dipo, Adams, Schrowder, Porter, Gobert and Noel, but that is only seven for the whole draft. Then you have some solid guys who you wouldn't consider ideal starters like Roberson, Zeller, Dieng, Hardaway, KCP, Crabbe, Abrines and Olynyk. That is 14 solid players out of a whole draft. That is assuming you consider Roberson solid, which a lot of people do not.

By comparison, this draft could have 25 solid players in it. This draft is stacked at the top and deep with expected quality role players. If Dipo was coming out this year he might not go in the top 10. Neither Sabonis or Payne would be in the top 20. You can't just say that picking in the lottery should yield you a starter. Picking in the top 5 the right year will yield you a superstar. Picking in the top 5 in the wrong years can make you end up too good to get another top 10 pick, but too bad to ever make the playoffs because you end up with guys like Dipo, Elf and Aaron Gordon.
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Re: 2017 OKC Thunder Trade Discussion 

Post#944 » by Kizz Fastfists » Thu Feb 23, 2017 12:03 pm

oken wrote:On the other news 76ers dealt Ersan to Atlanta for an expiring + a 2nd round pick + a pick swap which means they netted a top 20 protected 1st round pick + two high 2nd round picks for Jerami Grant.


That is how you maximize the return for a guy that should be around the 10th best player on a contending team.
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Post#945 » by LakersSoul » Thu Feb 23, 2017 12:13 pm

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InTheSabonus wrote:If it's true that all the Lakers want for Nick Young is a second rounder, I hope we do it.


Only if they don't want the 2nd round pick this year. OKC sent that pick to Denver.


We would take the 2018 or beyond 2nd round pick for Young. Have your GM call our GM.

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Post#946 » by ThunderBolt » Thu Feb 23, 2017 12:16 pm

Pillendreher wrote:Kings possibly moving WCS given that they're going after Okafor?


What a freaking tease. This sucks.
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Re: 2017 OKC Thunder Trade Discussion 

Post#947 » by oken » Thu Feb 23, 2017 12:18 pm

Kizz Fastfists wrote:
oken wrote:On the other news 76ers dealt Ersan to Atlanta for an expiring + a 2nd round pick + a pick swap which means they netted a top 20 protected 1st round pick + two high 2nd round picks for Jerami Grant.


That is how you maximize the return for a guy that should be around the 10th best player on a contending team.

Everybody on 76ers board was so negative about him, even implying that he's not "NBA caliber" and maybe should be waived if nobody wants him. Then we snatched their prized player with a highway robbery.
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Post#948 » by Old Man Game » Thu Feb 23, 2017 1:33 pm

oken wrote:
Kizz Fastfists wrote:
oken wrote:On the other news 76ers dealt Ersan to Atlanta for an expiring + a 2nd round pick + a pick swap which means they netted a top 20 protected 1st round pick + two high 2nd round picks for Jerami Grant.


That is how you maximize the return for a guy that should be around the 10th best player on a contending team.

Everybody on 76ers board was so negative about him, even implying that he's not "NBA caliber" and maybe should be waived if nobody wants him. Then we snatched their prized player with a highway robbery.


That is a hell of a haul for Jerami freakin' Grant. Can can barely even dribble drive and you get three picks from him. Bravo!
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Post#949 » by OkcMagic » Thu Feb 23, 2017 1:55 pm

I legit think people have mental issues on Facebook, this guy constantly keeps blaming presti for.... Wait for it. Jackson, Durant, Ibaka all leaving saying he's a bad gm because they're not on the team anymore


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Post#950 » by InTheSabonus » Thu Feb 23, 2017 2:02 pm

Stein saying we're interested in Taj Gibson. Spacing would suffer, but we really need a vet who can take the reigns while Sabonis develops.

Although I do think getting a shooting wing should be the number one priority. Ideally, we'd add (for example) both Taj Gibson and Wilson Chandler, but there's no way we have the assets to get two players like that. Both are areas of need, but if I have to see more of our horrendous current small forward rotation...
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Re: 2017 OKC Thunder Trade Discussion 

Post#951 » by ThunderBolt » Thu Feb 23, 2017 2:14 pm

InTheSabonus wrote:Stein saying we're interested in Taj Gibson. Spacing would suffer, but we really need a vet who can take the reigns while Sabonis develops.

Although I do think getting a shooting wing should be the number one priority. Ideally, we'd add (for example) both Taj Gibson and Wilson Chandler, but there's no way we have the assets to get two players like that. Both are areas of need, but if I have to see more of our horrendous current small forward rotation...


Take the reins for 25 games and then leave? Unless we get him for cam Payne, I don't really see the point. We need shooting. Taj shoots 16% from three.
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Re: 2017 OKC Thunder Trade Discussion 

Post#952 » by InTheSabonus » Thu Feb 23, 2017 2:21 pm

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InTheSabonus wrote:Stein saying we're interested in Taj Gibson. Spacing would suffer, but we really need a vet who can take the reigns while Sabonis develops.

Although I do think getting a shooting wing should be the number one priority. Ideally, we'd add (for example) both Taj Gibson and Wilson Chandler, but there's no way we have the assets to get two players like that. Both are areas of need, but if I have to see more of our horrendous current small forward rotation...


Take the reins for 25 games and then leave? Unless we get him for cam Payne, I don't really see the point. We need shooting. Taj shoots 16% from three.


Figured he'd have a bit longer on his deal. But I definitely agree we need shooting and that should be the priority. But it would be nice if we could also get someone like Gibson to ease the pressure on Sabonis. I doubt we could get both a power forward and a wing, and I hope Presti gets a shooter/shooters. Just would be nice to have both areas covered, but we probably don't have the assets.

Edit: Although a Gibson/McDermott package could be interesting.
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Post#953 » by bondom34 » Thu Feb 23, 2017 2:26 pm

I'd definitely like Taj.
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Re: 2017 OKC Thunder Trade Discussion 

Post#954 » by Old Man Game » Thu Feb 23, 2017 2:46 pm

Would've loved Gibson about there years ago. Now? Not so sure. Maybe for the right deal. Can't risk long-term assets for a dude like him. He doesn't move the needle that much.
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Post#955 » by Osirus89 » Thu Feb 23, 2017 2:53 pm

Always liked Taj. Solid veteran and good on the defensive end so the defense would not suffer. Yeah he can't shoot 3s, but neither can Sabonis right now and he is far better matching up against opposing PF. Still need a wing badly so either this is one of a couple of moves or this move includes like a Mcdermott or Mirotic along with Taj.
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Re: 2017 OKC Thunder Trade Discussion 

Post#956 » by Pillendreher » Thu Feb 23, 2017 2:58 pm

Good God no:

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There are a few names that continue to circulate as possible for the Thunder, one of which is Kings swingman Arron Afflalo.
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Re: 2017 OKC Thunder Trade Discussion 

Post#957 » by Dadouv47 » Thu Feb 23, 2017 2:58 pm

Taj would be good. Just don't see what we can offer that can interest the bulls and that is good for us ( except payne + crap ). I just don't want to give up on Abrines (too good salary) and no way of trading Sabonis unless major trade.
Payne + singler would work but the bulls would never do it :)
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Post#958 » by Old Man Game » Thu Feb 23, 2017 3:07 pm

God, imagine if we could somehow offload Kyle as part of a larger deal. That'd be swell.
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Re: 2017 OKC Thunder Trade Discussion 

Post#959 » by ThunderBolt » Thu Feb 23, 2017 3:10 pm

If we aren't able to land someone as good as Wilson Chandler, I would rather just stay put unless we're dumping Singlers contract. These second option names being thrown out just suck.
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Re: 2017 OKC Thunder Trade Discussion 

Post#960 » by Balkman32 » Thu Feb 23, 2017 3:18 pm

TheBeardedMan wrote:Hey guys! One day away from the trade deadline.
What do y'all think of this trade


Okc receives - Stanley Johnson and Marcus Morris
Detroit receives - Singler, Roberson Lauvergne, Morrow, 2nd round pick



Pg• Westbrook / Payne
Sg• Oladipo / Abrines
Sg• Johnson / Grant
Pf• Sabonis / Morris
C • Adams / Kanter


The Thunder would pull the trigger on this one. Getting rid of Singler and bringing in Johnson makes this a very nice move.


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