Trade

Celtics>Breathing · Post #1 » by **Celtics>Breathing** » Sun May 15, 2011 1:48 am

Posted this in the Trade Forum:

Hornets get:

Russell Westbrook
Jermaine O'Neal
Clippers 2012 #1 (Top 10 Protected)

Celtics get:

Chris Paul

Thunder get:

Rajon Rondo

Lots of other little pieces to get this to work, but you get the idea.

Thunder get a true PG to go with Durant, Harden.
Celtics get another true veteran All-Star to keep this window open
Hornets get true up and coming PG/SG that's still in his rookie contract.

theokie · Post #2 » by **theokie** » Sun May 15, 2011 2:33 am

Thunder arent trading their 2nd team all nba player for Rondo. No chance

Celtics>Breathing · Post #3 » by **Celtics>Breathing** » Sun May 15, 2011 2:58 am

Watching these playoffs seeing Westbrook playing like he's the best player on your squad has been difficult to watch. Westbrook has been shooting more shots than Kevin ******* Durant! You need a PG in the worst way. I think Presti and Ainge have had this thing lined up since the Perk / Green trade. It just makes to much sense for everyone involved. Not to mention Perkins and Rondo are best buds (lol) and a lineup of Rondo, Harden, Durant, Ibaka, Perkins is like a much younger version of the extremely well balanced championship team of 07/08.

Let's be clear.....Westbrook > Rondo if your building a team without a super-star.

Rondo > Westbrook if you have a super-star and want to win

The problem in Boston is the super-star/s have just gotten to worn out to run with Rondo and Boston needs to re-tool their team because of it.

HeartSouloma · Post #4 » by **HeartSouloma** » Sun May 15, 2011 3:07 am

theokie wrote:Thunder arent trading their 2nd team all nba player for Rondo. No chance

Post #5 » by **sonictecture** » Sun May 15, 2011 4:26 am

If Rondo and the Clippers pick won't bring the Celtics Chris Paul, but Westbrook and the Clippers pick would then I have to presume that the most important part for the Hornets is Westbrook.

I have faith and confidence in Westbrook's future alongside Durant.

Devilanche · Post #6 » by **Devilanche** » Sun May 15, 2011 6:31 am

Just cut us out from the trade. Since we have outgoing Westbrook and incoming rondo that means you consider them to have equal value.

Or if new Orleans wants Westbrook we might as well go for him ourselves

Stolen Team Fan · Post #7 » by **Stolen Team Fan** » Sun May 15, 2011 7:12 am

Devilanche wrote:you consider them to have equal value.

I guess it really boils down to which would be easier: teaching Rondo how to shoot or teaching Westbrook how to pass. Rondo would arguably be the best PG in the league if he could shoot the lights out. However I don't see that happening any time soon if ever. So no Westbrook for Rondo trade please. As for getting Paul... he would be excellent for the Thunder, but I would worry about his injury history. And Paul's injuries can be pretty serious, not like the Tyson Chandler toe issue that got that trade poo-pooed back when. Yes, that one still pisses me off, even more so in hindsight.

Devilanche · Post #8 » by **Devilanche** » Sun May 15, 2011 7:56 am

I do think Westbrook CAN pass. Would he ever average 10 APG probably not. but if he can get back to his 7-8 APG that's enough for me.

Conditional on 2 things:
1) Getting Harden more involve so he can set plays
2) Getting Durant free. I get that he's being handled by Tony Allen and Battier in this game, but the least he should do is try driving/moving around rather than stay in a particular spot.

We haven't had Harden in a bigger role yet. Ibaka hasn't acclimatise into his starting spot with the bigger offensive role and Perkins is not 100% yet. No need to make big changes. It does get CP3 out of the west but i don't want to face westbrook.

jjtreyball · Post #9 » by **jjtreyball** » Sun May 15, 2011 2:50 pm

Rondo would be awful on any other team he passes to 4 HOFers would be a terrible trade for thunder...Westbrook is still very young and learning and Westbrook and Durant carry their team with points rondo couldn't make up those points

HeartSouloma · Post #10 » by **HeartSouloma** » Sun May 15, 2011 4:23 pm

^ Thank you. Why would we trade him? Yes he have make mistakes at the point but he's still learning....

Krodis · Post #11 » by **Krodis** » Sun May 15, 2011 5:44 pm

How about we cut the Celtics out of this deal and just take Chris Paul? Surely Jermaine O'Neal and the Clippers pick is not that hard to compensate for.

bbms · Post #12 » by **bbms** » Sun May 15, 2011 6:38 pm

Thunder give up more for Rondo than Celtics for Chris Paul.

No way we trade a better player, with more potential and more durable than Rondo for Rondo.

Westbrook will be fine if our coaching staff make changes.

Sagev · Post #13 » by **Sagev** » Sun May 15, 2011 9:26 pm

Why a three team trade? Why not, Westbrook (plus others) for CP3? Makes more sense. The Celtics do not need to be in the trade.

Stolen Team Fan · Post #14 » by **Stolen Team Fan** » Mon May 16, 2011 10:40 am

Devilanche wrote:I do think Westbrook CAN pass. Would he ever average 10 APG probably not. but if he can get back to his 7-8 APG that's enough for me.

I said it wrong. I meant willingness to pass. The skill isn't in doubt, just the distributor instinct is inconsistent. Just look at this last series. Westbrook passes willingly, Thunder win. He clams up and tries to go it alone, Thunder lose.

Sagev wrote:Why a three team trade? Why not, Westbrook (plus others) for CP3? Makes more sense. The Celtics do not need to be in the trade.

I'm guessing you mean contract filler? Because talent-wise, a straight swap would be fair. Westbrook had very similar numbers to the reigning MVP. It's not like the Hornets would be getting fleeced Memphis-circa-2007-style in this deal.

Devilanche · Post #15 » by **Devilanche** » Mon May 16, 2011 2:40 pm

Stolen Team Fan wrote:I said it wrong. I meant willingness to pass. The skill isn't in doubt, just the distributor instinct is inconsistent. Just look at this last series. Westbrook passes willingly, Thunder win. He clams up and tries to go it alone, Thunder lose.

I'm guessing you mean contract filler? Because talent-wise, a straight swap would be fair. Westbrook had very similar numbers to the reigning MVP. It's not like the Hornets would be getting fleeced Memphis-circa-2007-style in this deal.

We need him to score and distribute too. It's just that he's still finding the right balance. To be fair to him a few season back everyone was still doubting that he's a PG of any sort. Give him time to develop, we still got time.

I think he meant Westbrook for Paul instead of Westbrook for Rondo.

Sagev · Post #16 » by **Sagev** » Mon May 16, 2011 3:11 pm

Stolen Team Fan wrote:
Sagev wrote:Why a three team trade? Why not, Westbrook (plus others) for CP3? Makes more sense. The Celtics do not need to be in the trade.

I'm guessing you mean contract filler? Because talent-wise, a straight swap would be fair. Westbrook had very similar numbers to the reigning MVP. It's not like the Hornets would be getting fleeced Memphis-circa-2007-style in this deal.

It can't be a straight swap (no matter your opinion is of his talent) due to mismatching contracts. So yes, the trade would need to include other pieces.

footsz · Post #17 » by **footsz** » Mon May 16, 2011 5:42 pm

I don't get why people dog on westbrook so much. If you watch closely you'll see he doesn't make that many bad decisions. Most of his shots are coming to him because other people (namely Durant) aren't getting open reliably. A good chunk of the Thunder aren't that spectacular on the offensive end. WB Durant and Harden certainly are, but who's our 4th option? Ibaka? Perk and Thabo can't contribute much scoring, Maynor and WB rarely if ever play on the court together, and Mohammed doesn't seem like a huge scorer (admittedly I haven't seen much of him). Collison hasn't ever contributed much scoring either.

A huge part of WB's problems stem from the players around him. He's also only played PG for what, 2 years? Compare that to Rondo or Paul who have been playing PG for their entire basketball careers (HS/College included). I hate to say give him time to develop because I think this team is ahead of their development as it is, but WB's PG play is something that does need to develop. As someone said earlier, when he entered the league noone though he could play PG, now people are saying he can but he needs to improve. That's definitely a huge leap as it is.

mcmokken · Post #18 » by **mcmokken** » Mon May 16, 2011 10:49 pm

I think that in a couple of years a Westbrook for Rondo trade will sound even more ridiculous than it does now.

LApwnd · Post #19 » by **LApwnd** » Mon May 16, 2011 11:43 pm

all you had to do was watch this years playoff and realize even if Westbrook shoots to much at times, he still 10x better then Rondo...Rondo gets asst. because he passes to Allen Running off multiple screens, passes to KG who gets to his spot for wide open shots same for Pierce....his asst aren't getting his guys easy shots all the time, it is a product of his inability to score in addition to the offense. Westbrook can do the same if he penetrates looking to pass but he settles for jumpers at times, something that can be fixed, Rondo ugly arse shot can't, its been 3 yrs since Bos won the chip and he hasn't improved his shot for nothing.

Thunder4 · Post #20 » by **Thunder4** » Tue May 17, 2011 4:30 am

After the thunder swindled Perkins from the Celtics, i think the celts are done with sam presti. The celts go down the tubes in 5 games in the 2nd round and thunder are in western conference finals. I don't think ainge is that dumb