Cleveland trade idea

Rondo2Hondo · Post #1 » by **Rondo2Hondo** » Thu May 26, 2011 4:09 am

Would it make sense to trade Westbrook and pick 24 to Cleveland for Picks 1 and 4 in the draft?

The Thunder could fill their need for a pass first point guard in Irving and could also fill the need for a low post scorer by taking Kanter.

Cleveland gets a legitimate young all-star who is 6 years from entering his prime to lead the franchise. Westbrook also gets the chance to be top dog on the team. I'm sure the Cavs could trade Ramon Sessions to open up playing time and Davis and Westbrook could play together, due to both being able to guard some shooting guards.

The only problem is, the Thunder probably don't want to get younger.

PG: Maynor/ Irving/ Ivey
SG: Sefolosha/ Harden
SF: Durant/ Cook?
PF: Ibaka/ Collison
CT: Perkins/ Kanter/ Aldrich

What happens with BJ Mullens? Is he a part of the team's future?

HeartSouloma · Post #2 » by **HeartSouloma** » Thu May 26, 2011 4:15 am

/lock

bbms · Post #3 » by **bbms** » Thu May 26, 2011 4:17 am

Is this serious?

Will someone at this weak class ever be at 2nd team All-NBA?

Westbrook is ALL-RIGHT.

Rondo2Hondo · Post #4 » by **Rondo2Hondo** » Thu May 26, 2011 7:11 am

bbms wrote:Is this serious?

Will someone at this weak class ever be at 2nd team All-NBA?

Westbrook is ALL-RIGHT.

Kanter, Irving and Knight have the potential to be.

Schlitzandgigz · Post #5 » by **Schlitzandgigz** » Thu May 26, 2011 7:13 am

Honestly, I don't know why people jump to the conclusion that this is a weak draft class. The only reason you say that is because the media tells you so. Just because the names don't stand out like Durant, Rose, James, Wade etc. did doesn't mean these players are not going to be stars in the future. The draft is unpredictable so you never know what you're getting. That being said it isn't like you sit there and watch every NCAA game to make the argument it is weak. I really think this is an underrated draft class.

Back to the trade idea... I like it... OKC would have a chance at the #1 pick to build on with a pass first PG who some say has the potential to be a Chris Paul kind of player. Also possibly getting another stud like Kemba Walker with the 4th.. (But that's just who I'd pick) Kemba is fresh from having a championship season and I can see him having the most potential in the this class... It gives OKC the opportunity to stay young but also have the players in place to have veteran leadership.

As much as I like Westbrook, there is no way OKC could turn this down if it is offered to them. He's a great player but having a crack at the 1st and 4th pick in the draft is nothing to play around with especially when there's...

A. A pass-first PG available for the 1st pick which is a MUST in this league.
and
B. When OKC is already a title contender.

I'd think loooong and hard about it but I honestly would accept it if I was a GM.

Schlitzandgigz · Post #6 » by **Schlitzandgigz** » Thu May 26, 2011 7:19 am

Rondo2Hondo wrote:Would it make sense to trade Westbrook and pick 24 to Cleveland for Picks 1 and 4 in the draft?

The Thunder could fill their need for a pass first point guard in Irving and could also fill the need for a low post scorer by taking Kanter.

Cleveland gets a legitimate young all-star who is 6 years from entering his prime to lead the franchise. Westbrook also gets the chance to be top dog on the team. I'm sure the Cavs could trade Ramon Sessions to open up playing time and Davis and Westbrook could play together, due to both being able to guard some shooting guards.

The only problem is, the Thunder probably don't want to get younger.

PG: Maynor/ Irving/ Ivey
SG: Sefolosha/ Harden
SF: Durant/ Cook?
PF: Ibaka/ Collison
CT: Perkins/ Kanter/ Aldrich

What happens with BJ Mullens? Is he a part of the team's future?

And about the Thunder not wanting to get younger.. Age honestly has nothing to do with it but it's about experience... If the experience is there there's no need to worry about a players youth because they've been through the scenarios and situations. And experience is something the Thunder are gaining right now. The ceiling is EXTREMELY high for the Thunder and if they can manage to get CLE's picks that would be a genius move

Kalela · Post #7 » by **Kalela** » Fri May 27, 2011 8:23 am

This would probably be a bad deal for Cleveland though.

Stolen Team Fan · Post #8 » by **Stolen Team Fan** » Fri May 27, 2011 9:33 pm

Kalela wrote:This would probably be a bad deal for Cleveland though.

Isn't that a redundancy?

Schlitzandgigz wrote:OKC would have a chance at the #1 pick to build on with a pass first PG who some say has the potential to be a Chris Paul kind of player. Also possibly getting another stud like Kemba Walker with the 4th.. (But that's just who I'd pick) Kemba is fresh from having a championship season and I can see him having the most potential in the this class...

I would like to think that Presti wouldn't pull a Kahn and draft 2 PGs with the #1 and #4 picks, or any 2 in the same position for that matter.

2007 draft
#2 - Kevin Durant - SF
#5 - Jeff Green - SF

Crap.

If anything, I could see him drafting Irving and Vesely to back up Durant. Is that worth Westbrook? I'd have to say no.

bbms · Post #9 » by **bbms** » Sat May 28, 2011 12:07 am

Presti should have drafted Joakim Noah, but what if Durant was shaped into PF since he got to NBA?

BIG EDDIE · Post #10 » by **BIG EDDIE** » Sat May 28, 2011 10:00 am

Rondo2Hondo wrote:Would it make sense to trade Westbrook and pick 24 to Cleveland for Picks 1 and 4 in the draft?

PG: Maynor/ Irving/ Ivey
SG: Sefolosha/ Harden
SF: Durant/ Cook?
PF: Ibaka/ Collison
CT: Perkins/ Kanter/ Aldrich

What happens with BJ Mullens? Is he a part of the team's future?

Actually I quite like this trade.
Im all for bringing in a smart PG who can facilitate and make good decisions.
Westbrook is young and talented and everything and even his work ethic is good, but I just simly think he is not smart enough to lead a team.
Also, I really like the idea of having Enes Kanter on our team.
Very strong body, very good rebounder and has some nice post moves.

Switch starting jobs with Thabo and Harden and Im really happy with the above lineup.

AND... almost forgot, fire Brooks and hire Jerry Sloan or JVG!

miltk · Post #11 » by **miltk** » Sat May 28, 2011 10:00 am

the whole westbrook thing has become one,,,MASSIVE...bit of media drivle. yesterday on espn ( maybe first take or some nba preview segment), chris broussard was asked if westy would be moved!!! omg. of course, chris said emphatically NO, but worse still he took the question in stride.

i don't think i've ever been so conscious of the notion of the "media driven news" until now with espn's concocted mush surrounding westy. everything about russell has been fueled by espn, and gets more and more validation with every stupid question they throw up.

unbelievable

Hobes · Post #12 » by **Hobes** » Sat May 28, 2011 11:50 am

Trade Westbrook - an all-star 2nd team NBA PG with perhaps the greatest potential of any current player, for 2 unproven college kids (one in which didn't even play during the regular season)? That's absolutely laughable.

The hate Westbrook has been getting this finals campaign and offseason is disgusting. He helped lead this team to a 55 win season as the 2nd option, doing a damn good job at the helm. Yes he takes unwise shots and makes horrible decisions at times, as does any young point guard in the league. The kid is 22 years old and already one of the best players in the league. There is no way in hell this trade goes down. Any GM that would accept this proposal should be shot and fired ASAP.

guille_4 · Post #13 » by **guille_4** » Wed Jun 8, 2011 11:50 pm

I would do it anytime. Westbrook is simply not a winner, I´ve watched 14-16 games this season and he is simply mentally not strong enough. Also he is in his last year of rookie contract, so from next year onwards he is going to earn 12M per season (Who knows whether he will want to match with Durant...). Drafting Kyle Irving and Jonas Valenciunas/Enes Kanter would not only make the team younger but also cheaper.

With the money saved in ´12, OKC could try to land Marc Gasol or Tyson Chandler on a sign-and trade including Kendric Perkins. It would improve the C position, and bring 2 excellent prospects. This year I believe the draft class is weak, but there is no doubt Kyle Irving is a top prospect with all-star potential and is simply a better fit for this team. On top of this, with this change, roles will be defined.

PG: Irving/Maynor
SG: Sefolosha/ Harden
SF: Durant/ Cook?
PF: Ibaka/ Collison
CT: Chandler or Marc Gasol/ Valenciunas or Kanter/

Devilanche · Post #14 » by **Devilanche** » Thu Jun 9, 2011 5:39 am

guille_4 wrote:I would do it anytime. Westbrook is simply not a winner, I´ve watched 14-16 games this season and he is simply mentally not strong enough. Also he is in his last year of rookie contract, so from next year onwards he is going to earn 12M per season (Who knows whether he will want to match with Durant...). Drafting Kyle Irving and Jonas Valenciunas/Enes Kanter would not only make the team younger but also cheaper.

With the money saved in ´12, OKC could try to land Marc Gasol or Tyson Chandler on a sign-and trade including Kendric Perkins. It would improve the C position, and bring 2 excellent prospects. This year I believe the draft class is weak, but there is no doubt Kyle Irving is a top prospect with all-star potential and is simply a better fit for this team. On top of this, with this change, roles will be defined.

For a young guy to be criticised that much and still not implode in the playoff, i think that speaks well of the mental aspect of his game.

Why would Dallas/Memphis do the sign and trade?

BadWolf · Post #15 » by **BadWolf** » Fri Jun 10, 2011 1:27 pm

Schlitzandgigz wrote:Honestly, I don't know why people jump to the conclusion that this is a weak draft class. The only reason you say that is because the media tells you so. Just because the names don't stand out like Durant, Rose, James, Wade etc. did doesn't mean these players are not going to be stars in the future. The draft is unpredictable so you never know what you're getting. That being said it isn't like you sit there and watch every NCAA game to make the argument it is weak. I really think this is an underrated draft class.

Back to the trade idea... I like it... OKC would have a chance at the #1 pick to build on with a pass first PG who some say has the potential to be a Chris Paul kind of player. Also possibly getting another stud like Kemba Walker with the 4th.. (But that's just who I'd pick) Kemba is fresh from having a championship season and I can see him having the most potential in the this class... It gives OKC the opportunity to stay young but also have the players in place to have veteran leadership.

As much as I like Westbrook, there is no way OKC could turn this down if it is offered to them. He's a great player but having a crack at the 1st and 4th pick in the draft is nothing to play around with especially when there's...

A. A pass-first PG available for the 1st pick which is a MUST in this league.
and
B. When OKC is already a title contender.

I'd think loooong and hard about it but I honestly would accept it if I was a GM.

Sso, you think Westbrook is worth 1st and 4th pick in the draft?
And you're prepared to trade a guy like that?