What if Orlando called up Presti?

wiff · Post #1 » by **wiff** » Mon Jun 20, 2011 2:00 am

Say Otis Smith calls up Presti tomorrow and dangles Dwight in front of his face. What would you realistically trade for Dwight if he was willing to sign an extension?

Obviously this has been thrown out there a lot around the forum but oddly enough not in our forum.

First let me say the only realistic trade i would do with Westbrook is for D Howard. F no to the Steph Curry ideas and anyone else in the league but a handful of guys. But it is Howard.

This is all I'd give up and honestly I think it's a better package than ayone else could offer unless the Heat go crazy and actually trade LeBron for him. Which won't happen.

There are a couple things to factor in though because OKC has no bad contracts, they cant take back Turkypoo or Agent Zero because they would have to trade half the team to add up the salary's.

So realistically what is the best package you can give up to Orlando that doesn't completely gut the team? Or leaves the cupboards bare in OKC?

I've come up with this package.

Westbrook, Perkins, Thabo, Clippers 1st.
for
Howard

We won't really have a need of Perkins, Orlando will need a center. Westbrook is obviously a super talent with a crazy ceiling. Thabo on a very reasonable contract and is a solid defensive stopper. Also opens up the starting role for Harden. Clippers pick is well the Clippers pick they look to be taking strides but damn they are still the Clippers. Maybe another OKC pick could be tossed in the mix but I don't really think it is critical considering the situation Orlando has put themselves in. Orlando can try to play hardball but the recent GSW trade offer doesn't stack up to the OKC potential trade offer with Westbrook. Infact i don't think any realistic trade offers coming from other teams are as good as OKC.

So how much do you give up for Howard?

My trade still leaves.
PG Maynor, Nate Rob, Ivey
SG Harden, Cook
SF Durant,
PF Ibaka, Collison
C Howard, Aldrich, Mullens

bbms · Post #2 » by **bbms** » Mon Jun 20, 2011 2:03 am

Clippers' 1st was involved at Green's trade.

Westbrook, Perkins and Ibaka and fillers. That's what I'd do for Howard if he's going to resign.

HeartSouloma · Post #3 » by **HeartSouloma** » Mon Jun 20, 2011 3:58 am

bbms wrote:Clippers' 1st was involved at Green's trade.

Westbrook, Perkins and Ibaka and fillers. That's what I'd do for Howard if he's going to resign.

I wouldn't want to do that deal, cause orlando fans is asking for too much. Their saying that we should do Westbrook, Harden, and Ibaka/plus fillers lol! I would not trade Ibaka or Harden. So Orlando can go else were to do another deal.

I would do the Westbrook/Perkins/Thabo/Mullens/Cole/fillers deal. Thats all I would do, I don't want to trade Harden or Ibaka period! So orlando can screw off if they don't take that deal. At least its better than the GSW/Lakers deal put together.

And I would also do this deal if we don't have to take on Hedos/Arenas contract. I know orlando would want us to take on one of their contracts. And if Dwight willing to re-sign with this team.

bbms · Post #4 » by **bbms** » Mon Jun 20, 2011 4:06 am

It'd be tough to trade for Howard involving neither Harden nor Ibaka.

HeartSouloma · Post #5 » by **HeartSouloma** » Mon Jun 20, 2011 4:11 am

bbms wrote:It'd be tough to trade for Howard involving neither Harden nor Ibaka.

But its fair on both sides, cause Orlando gets a future top 5 pg and some picks. And I'm not willing to trade all my young players just for ONE super star. I would rather just walk away from that deal. If Orlando won't take the Westbrook and Perkins deal, then I would walk away.

Cause this team just made it to the WCF, I would live with what I got from this team.

Post #6 » by **slick_watts** » Mon Jun 20, 2011 5:38 am

That won't get it done. A deal for Dwight would start with Westbrook. Perkins is probably a negative in this trade for Orlando since they would be rebuilding and he has long term salary and unsure health going forward. I don't see them being interested in him.

I think it'd take Westbrook + one of Ibaka / Harden + taking back a bad contract like Hedo and maybe even Arenas. Yes, Westbrook can be a Top 5 PG but Dwight is a Top 5 player.

bbms · Post #7 » by **bbms** » Mon Jun 20, 2011 5:59 am

I guess Ibaka would be pretty redundant since if you have Howard you hae the best interior defense in the league and a great shot blocker.

I'd be okay if we stick to this core(Russ + Harden + Durant + Ibaka) and just add a few role players like Collison, Perkins, a couple of shooters, a good ball playmaker in the mold of George Hill... If we just hired a good coach.

Devilanche · Post #8 » by **Devilanche** » Mon Jun 20, 2011 1:09 pm

Westbrook + Perkins(moved to a 3rd team?) + Ibaka.

Would rather keep Harden than Ibaka as Howard brings similar things to the table as Ibaka. If that's not the best deal then i'm fine with staying put.

HeartSouloma · Post #9 » by **HeartSouloma** » Mon Jun 20, 2011 2:38 pm

bbms wrote:I guess Ibaka would be pretty redundant since if you have Howard you hae the best interior defense in the league and a great shot blocker.

I'd be okay if we stick to this core(Russ + Harden + Durant + Ibaka) and just add a few role players like Collison, Perkins, a couple of shooters, a good ball playmaker in the mold of George Hill... If we just hired a good coach.

Thats what I'm saying, I rather stick with our young core than trade for Howard. Sam would never blow up this roster just for Howard. Its best to just walk away, and develop our young core.

Cause Magics is going ask for too much, and we have to take on a bad contract. Sam is not going to do that in a million years. Just stick with what we got.

Krodis · Post #10 » by **Krodis** » Mon Jun 20, 2011 3:34 pm

If we want to trade for Howard we need to find somewhere to unload Perkins (for positive value). If Orlando doesn't think he's positive value, that makes the whole situation significantly more tricky.

Balkman32 · Post #11 » by **Balkman32** » Mon Jun 20, 2011 4:09 pm

I think Dwight would be a BEAST! I would def do the proposed deal above. But, if OCK had to give up Westbrook plus Harden and/or Ibaka, I dont think it would be wise to do that trade. I Understand that Dwight is a top 5 talent. But, OKC with Durant, Westbrook, Harden, and Ibaka all under 23. The ceiling is just so high on the group it is silly. But, if a trade with Westbrook and Perkins for Howard is on the table with fillers. The Thunder would have to pull the trade.

fallacy · Post #12 » by **fallacy** » Mon Jun 20, 2011 5:23 pm

Westbrook + Perk + lots of filler.

Look what Utah got for D-will, absolute **** + picks

Post #13 » by **slick_watts** » Mon Jun 20, 2011 6:08 pm

Dwight Howard is much more valuable than Deron Williams. Imagine that we wanted to trade Kevin Durant and consider what you'd like to get back for him, and that's about what Orlando would be looking to get for Dwight if they had to trade him.

Also, Utah did get the 3rd pick from that year's draft, a starting PG who made an All Star team the year before, and two first round picks. And that's for an unextended D-Will who did not give New Jersey any assurances.

Westbrook + Ibaka + taking back a contract would be the cost of Dwight, and a fair one IMO. The only problem you then have is moving Perkins. But at the end of the day if you can have Dwight + Durant + one of Harden / Ibaka, you're set. Orlando's been a Top 5 defensive team for the past few years with Dwight and a bunch of bad defensive players.

fallacy · Post #14 » by **fallacy** » Mon Jun 20, 2011 6:16 pm

slick_watts wrote:Dwight Howard is much more valuable than Deron Williams. Imagine that we wanted to trade Kevin Durant and consider what you'd like to get back for him, and that's about what Orlando would be looking to get for Dwight if they had to trade him.

Also, Utah did get the 3rd pick from that year's draft, a starting PG who made an All Star team the year before, and two first round picks. And that's for an unextended D-Will who did not give New Jersey any assurances.

Westbrook + Ibaka + taking back a contract would be the cost of Dwight, and a fair one IMO. The only problem you then have is moving Perkins. But at the end of the day if you can have Dwight + Durant + one of Harden / Ibaka, you're set. Orlando's been a Top 5 defensive team for the past few years with Dwight and a bunch of bad defensive players.

Yeah, but Westbrook by himself is nearly worth what Utah got back in that trade

EDIT: Also, RealGM thinks that Westbrook is more valuable than Williams. I think I agree.

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Post #15 » by **slick_watts** » Mon Jun 20, 2011 6:28 pm

fallacy wrote:Yeah, but Westbrook by himself is nearly worth what Utah got back in that trade

Dwight Howard open to an extension is much more valuable than Deron Williams in limbo. I suspect you're way undervaluing Dwight Howard. Westbrook would have been enough to get Deron Williams at this year's deadline, no doubt, but he's not enough to get a Top 3 NBA player and MVP candidate entering his prime.

Krodis · Post #16 » by **Krodis** » Mon Jun 20, 2011 7:18 pm

On the other hand, have you seen some of the terrible offers/rumors being put out there for Dwight?

Even the standing Westbrook/Perkins straight for Dwight crushes like 99% of all of them.

HeartSouloma · Post #17 » by **HeartSouloma** » Mon Jun 20, 2011 8:07 pm

Krodis wrote:On the other hand, have you seen some of the terrible offers/rumors being put out there for Dwight?

Even the standing Westbrook/Perkins straight for Dwight crushes like 99% of all of them.

Agree.

fallacy · Post #18 » by **fallacy** » Mon Jun 20, 2011 8:51 pm

slick_watts wrote:
fallacy wrote:Yeah, but Westbrook by himself is nearly worth what Utah got back in that trade

Dwight Howard open to an extension is much more valuable than Deron Williams in limbo. I suspect you're way undervaluing Dwight Howard. Westbrook would have been enough to get Deron Williams at this year's deadline, no doubt, but he's not enough to get a Top 3 NBA player and MVP candidate entering his prime.

With 6 year extension? No doubt I'd give up what you're offering.

Without extension? I barely would want to give up Westbrook. Honestly wouldn't even do the trade without an extension first.

bbms · Post #19 » by **bbms** » Mon Jun 20, 2011 11:40 pm

Don't think Derrick Favors has less value than Serge Ibaka. Both guys potential is ridiculous.

Devilanche · Post #20 » by **Devilanche** » Mon Jun 20, 2011 11:47 pm

fallacy wrote:
With 6 year extension? No doubt I'd give up what you're offering.

Without extension? I barely would want to give up Westbrook. Honestly wouldn't even do the trade without an extension first.

I think that's the assumption most of us have.
We rather stand pat than overpay. In that case what should be our max like this thread is suggesting
We won't be trading for an unextended Dwight.