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I don't like the Amnesty clause at all. It wipes away poor decisions from big markets.

Presti has done a brilliant job managing the roster and the cap. All this does is wipe away very large mistakes made by other teams. OKC just got penalized for being a well run organization.

All this does is allows teams to over pay for players then they get bailed out. Being a well run organization starts at the top and all this does is make it easier for big market teams.

Yeah, I agree with that.

I'd like to know why this was necessary and why its part of the CBA negotiations ?

It doesn't completely wipe them away, and it could help small market teams with bad contracts also.

Just imagine if Kendrick Perkins blows out his knee again this season... lots of bad contracts are a result of poor decision making but others are a result of injuries, etc.

Imagine if Nene/Gasol is available for us, and Perkins can't stay healthy? Why not to use the clause?

bbms wrote:Imagine if Nene/Gasol is available for us, and Perkins can't stay healthy? Why not to use the clause?

for a big market, maybe, but not for us small market teams. Not only do we have to pay the imcoming FA, but we have to keep paying Perkins.

slick_watts wrote:It doesn't completely wipe them away, and it could help small market teams with bad contracts also.

Just imagine if Kendrick Perkins blows out his knee again this season... lots of bad contracts are a result of poor decision making but others are a result of injuries, etc.

It could help out the small market teams but I think overall it is weighted to the big markets.

I'm just not a big fan of it. Maybe OKC uses it down the road but I don't think Presti will have any use for it. At least I hope he doesn't.

Anyway I'm really excited to watch the "Regulators". OKC is stacked this season with a bunch of "Young Guns"
KD 23 Born: Sep 29, 1988
Westbrook 23 Born: Nov 12, 1988
Ibaka 22 Born: Sep 18, 1989
Harden 22 Born: Aug 26, 1989
Perkins 27 Born: Nov 10, 1984
Maynor 24 Born: Jun 11, 1987
Sefolosha 27 Born: May 2, 1984
Cook 24 Born: Apr 28, 1987


I'm taking the Regulators over any Big 3 and parts this season. I'm picking OKC to win it all. OKC has a better "team" than any other team in the league top to bottom.

Sure the Heat are good but they fall off quick after Bosh, but Bosh is a damn good #3. I think he is going to be better, now that he has a season under his belt with these guys.

Bostons big 3 and parts are another year older and that's not the direction Boston needs to be going.

I guess the Lakers could add help for Kobe and Gasol through the Amnesty Clause. Honestly Rashard Lewis would look really good out there. They could be scary but as they sit now I think the Lakers are slipping.

Chicago will be tough I expect them to get better. Obviously Rose is good enough to take over a game but can he do it when it counts most? LeBron did a damn fine job on him last year and LeBron isn't going anywhere for a while.

The Dwight Howard factor. Pardon me for stating the obvious but where ever Howard lands he is going to bring some weight. If Orlando ends up trying to make lemon aide out of lemons, one team going going to love their new teammate.

Oh yeah and Dallas and Memphis will be pretty good too. But they won't be better than the Thunder. I will also go on record saying the Thunder will have the best overall record.

Durant has collected two scoring champ trophies. I'm thinking he is going to win another one. Along with an All-Star appearance and an MVP.

Westbrook All-Star appearance and All NBA 2nd team.

Harden will have a bigger role and Ibaka will be another year older and another year wiser. Hopefully carrying a few more pounds on him.

Perkins, Maynor and the rest of the gang give you a little of everything 3 ball shooting with Cook. Lock down "D" with Thabo.



"Regulators let's ride!"

The waiver process will preclude teams over the cap from picking up amnesty players ..

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/miami-heat/sfl-miami-heat-nba-lockout-s112711,0,4202541.story

This will help the teams who are well under the cap.

Its looking like this amnesty thing , is going to be much about nothing ,

NYT's candidates for amnesty

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/28/sports/basketball/each-nba-team-can-waive-one-bad-contract.html?ref=basketball

“I don’t think there will be very many at all,” said one team executive, who asked to remain anonymous while the lockout remains in effect.

At most, three to six teams will take advantage of the amnesty clause this year, the executive said — a view that was echoed by others around the league. The reasons are varied and complicated.

Here's the NYT's likely candidates......

http://offthedribble.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/11/27/hey-hey-hey-good-bye/

This is not as bad as it looks @ first. If the Thunder are under the cap then they will be able to put bids on these guys. Meaning a guy like Lewis the thunder could bid a million. If no one bid over a million we now have a guy for two years at a million a pop and the Wizzards are paying him the rest of the 21 million.

I don't like it from a philosophical standpoint (erasing peoples' bad decisions), but from the Thunder perspective it isn't horribly destructive... Could free up a few other useful players to hit the FA market and also gives us kind of an undo button for the Perkins extension. It also sounds like if they did have to go the route of waiving Perkins due to injury, they can spread the payments out over several years, so it could be something where he wouldn't cost us any cap space and would cost just 4 or 5 mil/year for a while instead of the 10 mil or whatever it is now.

A player like Brandon Roy with 3 years @ 49 million will get amnestied. Now every team under the cap will be able to put a bid on him. The Thunder under the cap about $5 million before Cook and Jackson.

Would the Thunder be willing to put an offer in on Roy to have him for the next 4 years at about three million a pop?

It would be interesting. By no means does 3 Million def. win his services but if everyone is scared off isnt Roy the type of scorer we would like in OKC. He could start and keep Harden on the bench, or Harden could start and Roy off the bench. His numbers would be limited to 15-20 which is good for his knees.

This is how the Amnesty clause helps the lower tier teams who can not spend money. They get a player at a 1/4 or a 1/8 of the price he is getting paid and the player is happy because he is getting a ton of money and you are happy because the other team is paying most of this guys salary.

This is actually the best year for this to happen too because for the next 15 years the Tunder will not be under the cap. I do not expect the Thunder to sign an Amnesty player, but if they do you know it will be a good move!

Maybe I'm missing something, but I was under the impression that the waiving club picks up the difference between old contract and new contract. So there would be no motivation for any team or player considering options to take more than a minimum contract because the guy is getting paid the same either way. Am I understanding it correctly?

Amnesty is going to become much ado bout nothing.

It appears so far, that BRoy is the only player who might be amnestied.

Even the Wizards are not going to amnesty R. Lewis, it would put them too far under the minimum salary cap.

Balkman32 wrote:This is not as bad as it looks @ first. If the Thunder are under the cap then they will be able to put bids on these guys. Meaning a guy like Lewis the thunder could bid a million. If no one bid over a million we now have a guy for two years at a million a pop and the Wizzards are paying him the rest of the 21 million.

That is exactly what i was thinking.
While yea, it looks like a bail-out for teams that overpaid their players (mostly only in hindsight though) it is also something that could really be a major advantage for the Thunder. Given the shortened season, the free agency that will be rushed and players who will simply want to sign to winning teams (with little concern over money this upcoming season given that they will end up getting the majority of their old contract) the Thunder could get a real steal here.

As mentioned Shard could be one of these guys, Ripp if he is waived, possibly Kaman, Maybe Turkey, hell even guys like Jamison, Marion, Biedrins, Posey, Nocioni, Brand, Calderon ect.

Point is, the Amnesty cut gives OKC a chance to land an ex-star who most likely has a lot of play-off experience and can contribute a lot to the young OKC team, and possibly be the difference maker between a title and no title.

Rah Fentons wrote:Even the Wizards are not going to amnesty R. Lewis, it would put them too far under the minimum salary cap.

Thats making the assumption that they do not sign anyone in free agency.
Fact is they could release Lewis and sign two guys for 10 mill for one year. Or sign one guy they actually want long term for 12 or so. They would then still have their cap for 2012 and not have to worry about being under. They currently have 11 players on their roster, with Shard gone that is a min. requirement of 2 players being signed in free agency, though they will most likely go with 4. Not to mention they have four players who are at the qualifying offer phase of their contracts and that can more then double their salary.

the thunder might be small market but they have the appeal of any other team out there right now.

Small markets can win ie Spurs

wizkid27 wrote:Maybe I'm missing something, but I was under the impression that the waiving club picks up the difference between old contract and new contract. So there would be no motivation for any team or player considering options to take more than a minimum contract because the guy is getting paid the same either way. Am I understanding it correctly?

Example. My salary is 5m for the next 3 season and i'm amnestied.
OKC bidded $2m for me while Memphis bidded $1.5m for me.
I go to the highest bidder while my ex team picks up the remaining tab for $3m on 3 years (Not sure how this will be shown on the salary cap.) OKC would pay me $2m over the next 3 years before i'm a free agent again.

Hope this help.