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With Rondo's recent injury, there is a great possibility there will be a blow up in Boston.

Do you think OKC would be one to pursue Garnett?

I could see a deal that sends KG and OKC sending out the Toronto pick, Jeremy Lamb, and Perkins. (Maybe more/less??)

A frontcourt of KG/Ibaka would be a defensive nightmare!

CTT wrote:I could see a deal that sends KG and OKC sending out the Toronto pick, Jeremy Lamb, and Perkins. (Maybe more/less??)

When you are watching this deal happen in your mind are you high on peyote?

Maybe more? Seriously MAYBE MORE? Dude, next time you buy whatever drug it is that you are on, give your dealer a tip because obviously it is some amazing stuff!

At best, and this is the very best I can see.

Perkins, Maynor and OKC's pick for KG.

There is a good chance KG won't even finish out his contract. He's turning 37 at the end of this season and if he finishes out his contract he'll be 39.

I just turned 40, and in no way am I an elite athlete but I still get out and play some, and let me tell you, there is a HUGE difference from 35 to 39 huge.

Father time is undefeated man, eventually he always get the W.

So why would Sam Presti who makes his living off of capitalizing on other peoples poor decisions and tough circumstances give up a very nice prospect in Lamb, who for the same reasons as Drummond, his stock fell because UCONN was a grease fire last year and a top 4-10 draft pick from Toronto for a guy whose tires are bald and a little flat.

Who needs this trade more here? Boston or OKC? OKC doesn't make a move it's likely they repeat and head back to the finals. Boston doesn't make a move it's just going to be another year wasted for KG and Pierce when they are on borrowed time man. And the Boston owners paying out a lot of money for nothing.

Boston is in a bad way here. A deal for KG might go down with OKC but I wouldn't get too greedy. Presti looks like a school boy on the outside but on the inside he's a predator.

wiff wrote:Who needs this trade more here? Boston or OKC? OKC doesn't make a move it's likely they repeat and head back to the finals. Boston doesn't make a move it's just going to be another year wasted for KG and Pierce when they are on borrowed time man. And the Boston owners paying out a lot of money for nothing.

Boston is in a bad way here. A deal for KG might go down with OKC but I wouldn't get too greedy. Presti looks like a school boy on the outside but on the inside he's a predator.

Boston might be in a bad way, but they are not giving away KG (or Pierce). It is too late to tank this season. If OKC will not give value to Boston (in picks or players) then there is no deal to be made.

I am not saying that OKC should give picks or players to Boston. I am just saying that Boston is in the middle of a 300 game sellout streak, and could at least contend for the 8th seed. If they give away hall of famers who are fan favorites, they need to be able to sell this to fans.

TheSheriff wrote:
Boston might be in a bad way, but they are not giving away KG (or Pierce). It is too late to tank this season. If OKC will not give value to Boston (in picks or players) then there is no deal to be made.

That's a you problem.

OKC does nothing they still likely make it to the finals. Boston is the one who needs to take breath. The fans on here are completely over valuing their players.

Yes KG and Pierce are both all time greats but the Sun is setting, and they just don't carry much value anymore.

A fair trade certainly depends upon the number of years KG plays. I suspect he would probably play 2-3 more years/post seasons if traded to the Clippers or OKC but may retire after this year or next year if he stays with Boston.

And it obviously depends in large part on the Toronto pick. Toronto doesn't appear to be in tank mode so I suspect their pick may be around #8 in this years draft which is supposedly a very weak draft.

I strongly believe you are underrating KG's current trade value and underrating how much negative trade value Perkins has.

To be fair from an OKC perspective, we don't know if the Toronto pick will be the 4th pick in this years draft, the 8th pick or rolled over to next year. For the purposes of this discussion, I'm assuming it will be the 8th pick in this years draft.

When KG turned it on for the playoffs last year and played many more minutes then he does in the regular season, he was actually a top 5 NBA post season player. Part of that may have been a fluke of him hitting more shots then expected but I think you can count on him if healthy being a top 15 nba player this post season because his defense is still very impressive when he turns back the clock. His +- numbers last post season were amazing and after many playoff games I believe were second best of all the players in the post season. Celtics without him on the court were lousy but with him on the court I believe they outscored Miami. Granted Miami did not have Bosh for 4-5 games but the Celtics took Miami to 7 games last year without Avery Bradley who replaced Ray Allen is the starting lineup and with PP and RA clearly playing hurt.

KG may retire after this year if he decides to not go to another team but I highly doubt he does if he goes to a championship contender that has success this year or legitimate prospects of success next year.

Sadly, due to luxury tax concerns and KG having a home in LA, I would suspect a trade to the Clippers is most likely if he is dealt. But KG has played in a small market before so it wouldn't shock me him going to OKC from that perspective. The one major caveat is KG does appear loyal and he may not want to be traded for Perkins since Perkins is in a winning situation. On the other hand, Perkins is friends with Rondo.

For the Celtics to take on Perkins -- clearly has negative trade value -- and to give up KG, it only makes sense if they get a decent lottery pick and at least one other first rounder. In addition to the lottery pick, in OKC case two late lottery protected first rounders probably make sense since the 30th pick in the draft doesn't have that much value. Perkins will not sell season tickets in Boston and him replacing KG means goodbye to all playoff revenue.

Personally speaking and I am a fan of OKC when they play any other team besides Boston, I think they should slyly find out if KG is willing to waive his no trade clause to play in OKC and if so they should make an offer a day or two before the trading deadline.
If the starting lineup is healthy for the next two years, it may just guarantee two championships.

Can OKC win championship this year and next year without KG? Yes, obviously they can but their odds very substantially increase with him.

I am a PP fan but right now he is not worth what KG should be worth on the trade market. 7"1 guys who are ridiculously talented and skilled like KG, can be impact players at 36 and 37 years old. Even an older player such as Marcus Camby -- nowhere as talented as KG -- still put up decent numbers in his mid to late 30's.

With KG replacing Perkins last year, OKC sweeps Miami IMHO and frankly I think they would truly dominate the upcoming post season with him this year as well.

soxfan2003 wrote:When KG turned it on for the playoffs last year and played many more minutes then he does in the regular season, he was actually a top 5 NBA post season player.

Nice post and I respect your opinion but eventually KG just isn't going to be able to "turn it on". I'm betting that's sooner than later and I wouldn't give up a whole lot for him because his sun is setting.

If Garnett can provide one more post season burst, it might just be enough to give the Thunder a championship. That might be worth the risk.

Yeah, Garnett could very well win us a title. He's still a top3 defensive bigman, with a very good elbow jumper, very good post up game, and passing. For the Thunder, he could play limited minutes, to extend his longevity, and help him to improve his rebounding rate... I hope Thunder land Garnett.

soxfan2003 wrote: Granted Miami did not have Bosh for 4-5 games but the Celtics took Miami to 7 games last year without Avery Bradley who replaced Ray Allen is the starting lineup and with PP and RA clearly playing hurt.

I think the dropoff in talents from Bosh to having a scrub replace him in the heats rotation is much bigger than the losses boston had, though that's not the discussion here.

Max offer? Perkins + Lamb/Tor Pick + one OKC first.

that's abt it.

I like the Decilanche proposal. Maybe Maynor involved... I hope the Thunder make a move for Garnett. He is still a high impact level player. Worlds better than any of Thunder's bigs.

Devilanche wrote:Max offer? Perkins + Lamb/Tor Pick + one OKC first.

bbms wrote:I like the Decilanche proposal. Maybe Maynor involved... I hope the Thunder make a move for Garnett. He is still a high impact level player. Worlds better than any of Thunder's bigs.

You really think Presti is going to give up anything of real value for Garnett?

I don't! I guess we'll see who lands him and what they give up.

Probably not. I don't see the Thunder making a move this year, unfortunately we are stuck with Kendrick Perkins as our starting C long term.

But Garnett on this Thunder team is a significant lift to a championship. Garnett is the difference between a middle pack defensive to a top5 one. He was a -26 On-Off defensive rating last season's playoffs and os a -8 defensive rating this regular season. He just go out there and dominate defensively, and I am tired of seeing this team crumbling defensively supported on the weak sholders of Perkins and Ibaka. He's also more resourceful offensively than any of our bigs.

Garnett's contract for the C's is probably a negative contract since they are probably in a full rebuilding mode, after the Rondo's injury. However for the Thunder, he's a win now contract that'll turn into a 12 mil expiring in 2015. He reinforces our defense for 24 mpg in the playoffs and probably improving our chances heavily for two post seasons, than he become a valuable trade asset in the 14/15 season. Garnett would be a very good stride by Thunder's front office, and Garnett probably wouldn't turn down a ring chasing opportunity if the Celtics FO wants to shop him out. There's no idiots in Boston, Thunder could benefit a lot from Garnett, and if we want him, we're gonna pay for the benefit.

I can't also think of a better defensive mentor for Durant and Ibaka than Garnett. I would be so happy if Garnett joined the Thunder. With Garnett's passing, pick and pop game, and one of the top efficiency post up game in the league, I can't see many better fits for Westbrook, Martin and Durant than Garnett. he fits perfectly the high skill-low usage role the Thunder lacks on their front court.

I maybe stubborn on Lamb, but I think this guy is the future, don't want him to get involved. His skillset is definitely a fit and I hope the Thunder can develop him. Perry Jones is a future elite role player imo. I wouldn't want Thunder to move any of our three best youngsters(Reggie, Lamb and Perry), I like their fit long-term for the Thunder. But the Toronto, Dallas and OKC pick, I'd move them yesterday for Garnett. This is why I'd offer: Toronto Pick, Maynor and Perkins for Garnett. Maybe Liggins.

Wiff is right. KG (and Pierce) would be better fits for the Clippers.

I think KG can give OKC a significant edge in terms of contending for a title but he can probably give a similar edge to the other top Western teams. Does that play into how much value he is worth in trades??? I know he is 36/37 but he can have the Rasheed Wallace effect in putting a team over the top. However, I don't want to make it seem like there aren't legitimate concerns that any contender would have, some definitely have been displayed already in this thread.

Triple M wrote:I think KG can give OKC a significant edge in terms of contending for a title but he can probably give a similar edge to the other top Western teams. Does that play into how much value he is worth in trades??? I know he is 36/37 but he can have the Rasheed Wallace effect in putting a team over the top. However, I don't want to make it seem like there aren't legitimate concerns that any contender would have, some definitely have been displayed already in this thread.

KG is the missing piece for OKC, in fact OKC got Perkins for exactly the same reason why they would love KG, just Perkins never panned out.
I don't think KG is a great fit for the Clippers as that team has very potent starting front-court and their ability to contend hinges upon Chris Paul. KG can't put them over the top if Paul can't be 100%.
Among contenders KG would actually help Miami the most, but he would never go there, so that leaves the Clips(already loaded front court), OKC(need him badly), Chicago(already has noah), Memphis(loaded front court with Davis/Randolph/Gasol), Knicks (has chandler), Spurs(Has Duncan and KG would never team up with him).

KG is perfect for OKC and vice versa, and OKC should slightly overpay with Perkins + Toronto 1st or Perkins + Lamb + OKC 1st for him. He could either wither away his last remaining years, or help OKC win two titles.

wiff wrote:

Devilanche wrote:Max offer? Perkins + Lamb/Tor Pick + one OKC first.

bbms wrote:I like the Decilanche proposal. Maybe Maynor involved... I hope the Thunder make a move for Garnett. He is still a high impact level player. Worlds better than any of Thunder's bigs.

You really think Presti is going to give up anything of real value for Garnett?

I don't! I guess we'll see who lands him and what they give up.

i don't think he would make any significant move to the rotation.
I do think boston will be asking for way higher...