Reggie Jackson...

Balkman32 · Post #1 » by **Balkman32** » Thu Jun 19, 2014 1:14 am

Thoughts on if the Thunder should resign Mr. Jackson, and if so how much money should they pay him a year. Between Durant, Westbrook, and Ibaka they make up about 50 million, if not a little bit more. Then I figure they can spend about 20 million more on top young talent. Can the Thunder get Adams, Lamb, and Jackson all signed to 2nd contracts and keep it under 20 million, doubtful. If the Thunder don't get him signed during the offseason, I would not be suprised if he was delt, because they can't let him hit RFA with the oppertunity of getting a huge contract. The Thunder can not let guys like Jackson walk. If they can't sign him to a deal around 5-7 million, I think he is gone.

Thoughts?

spearsy23 · Post #2 » by **spearsy23** » Thu Jun 19, 2014 2:26 am

Probably worth 6-8 million, definitely should give him the contract, losing him won't allow them to pick up a better player.

Grolgar · Post #3 » by **Grolgar** » Thu Jun 19, 2014 6:38 am

spearsy23 wrote:Probably worth 6-8 million, definitely should give him the contract, losing him won't allow them to pick up a better player.

I think 6-8 million is about right. We have to lock him up. I don't see us replacing him with anyone better and we can't have KD and Russ thinking we're just going to let every guy walk to avoid the tax. Hopefully, Jackson doesn't draw us into a bidding war. I think his price will be lowest this summer as I expect him to keep improving.

Post #4 » by **bondom34** » Thu Jun 19, 2014 6:46 am

Agree on price and role. I think he should start at SG, I hope he's OK with that role, he fits the team great, and I think is an asset to the team in general.

Balkman32 · Post #5 » by **Balkman32** » Thu Jun 19, 2014 4:35 pm

The only problem is if he starts they are in DIRE need of two backup points. If Lamb starts all they need is to add is a scorer at the 2, 3, or 4 that complements Jackson and the 2nd unit of Perk, Collison, PJ3, Roberson, and Reggie.

The #1 priority this off season is to deal w/ Reggie's contract.

Space Dracula · Post #6 » by **Space Dracula** » Thu Jun 19, 2014 11:18 pm

The biggest issue for Reggie will be whether or not he's okay coming off the bench. I don't think Presti or Brooks will guarantee him a role with his contract.

spearsy23 · Post #7 » by **spearsy23** » Fri Jun 20, 2014 3:50 am

I'd prefer Lamb starting but Reggie seeing more minutes.

Balkman32 · Post #8 » by **Balkman32** » Fri Jun 20, 2014 2:16 pm

I don't think Jackson needs the starting confirmation. Its all about the money. The Thunder needs to make sure they get him locked up.

Kizz Fastfists · Post #9 » by **Kizz Fastfists** » Fri Jun 20, 2014 6:03 pm

Reggie might start for 10 teams right now. He's only going to be an RFA and unless he is going to bank on someone offering him a poison pill contract there is no reason for him not to re-sign for $6-8M/yr with the Thunder. His ceiling is around $8M/yr as an RFA and the only way the Thunder wouldn't match it is if it were a poison pill contract which would also mean the true dollar value of the contract for Reggie would be less because of the pay schedule.

So Reggie would have to want less money on a terrible team that would be willing to offer a contract that pays him $15M the last year of the deal, although their cap hit would be $8M each year, in order to leave the Thunder. It is highly unlikely that he will get that type of offer. Especially, as teams are seeing how much poison pill contracts are hampering Houston right now as they try desperately to move Asik and Lin to open up cap space. I just don't see Reggie willing to take less money AND go to a team, like the Bucks, where he would be the best PG on the roster. I guess if he values starting more than winning and money anything is possible.

Balkman32 · Post #10 » by **Balkman32** » Fri Jun 20, 2014 6:32 pm

The Thunder will NOT let him hit free agency. They can not take the chance that someone will offer him a ton of money. Bledsoe will get a max deal. If Reggie puts up 16 points a game (same as Harden the year he left, three more points than last year) he will get a MAX deal of 4 years 60 million. Lesser players have received much more than that.

Reggie will be 23 years old, and has been in one of the leagues best developmental programs (the Thunder). He is going to get PAID.

A team like the Bucks? They have Sanders, the Greek Freak, and either Parker or Wiggins, I am pretty positive he would have no problems going there are running the point for 4 years 60 million.

Kizz Fastfists · Post #11 » by **Kizz Fastfists** » Fri Jun 20, 2014 6:46 pm

PG values are drastically lower then SG so a Harden comparison is fundamentally flawed. Stephen Curry will make $10M next year! Mona Ellis got a $8M/yr deal last off-season. Brandon Jennings got $8M/yr. There are also going to be about 6 better PGs hitting FA with Reggie even further diminishing his perceived value next off-season.

Space Dracula · Post #12 » by **Space Dracula** » Fri Jun 20, 2014 11:25 pm

Kizz Fastfists wrote:PG values are drastically lower then SG so a Harden comparison is fundamentally flawed. Stephen Curry will make $10M next year! Mona Ellis got a $8M/yr deal last off-season. Brandon Jennings got $8M/yr. There are also going to be about 6 better PGs hitting FA with Reggie even further diminishing his perceived value next off-season.

Agreed. I see that as his range, also. Anything more than $8mm is too much. I've like what I've seen from Reggie shooting the ball in the playoffs, and Reggie-Westbrook combo was +17.8 points per 100 possessions this season in a ~400 minute sample. Imperative the team try and extend him to something that makes sense, and if he wants to start may as well let him.

Post #13 » by **bondom34** » Sat Jun 21, 2014 12:07 am

I hope they can keep him, but I do wonder what he'd be able to return in a trade. If he's gonna either want to leave to start somewhere or make more money, I'm sure the front office has something in mind. I just wonder for what/with who.

Kizz Fastfists · Post #14 » by **Kizz Fastfists** » Sat Jun 21, 2014 12:33 am

First, who are you going to trade him to? It has to be a team where he would be the starter and has assets that the Thunder would want and be willing to part with them. He might start for Milwaukee and Orlando. That is the list of teams I'd expect him to be a start. Maybe Sacramento if they lose Isaiah Thomas and maybe Miami. The Lakers might be possible after Nash retires the end of next year if they don't like Marshall as their starter.

Out of those teams who is going to give you value? Milwaukee or Orlando might trade you protected first round pick(s), but they don't have any players they can trade you with Reggie's minimal contract. That is assuming Orlando doesn't draft Exum or Smart. The biggest issue is that Reggie is a GREAT backup PG. However, how many starting PGs would actually consider inferior? Then factor in that there are 2 PGs that will likely go in the top 8 of this year's draft and you have two more teams that are not interested.

Reggie has more value to OKC then he does to another team. I really think Presti could play hard ball and dare him to test RFA and he wouldn't have to match an offer over $6M. PG is loaded right now in the NBA. Reggie is going to be an FA with Rajon Rondo, Kemba Walker, Kyrie, Lin and Rubio. Monta Ellis and Dragic can opt out and be in that FA class also. Reggie is going to be down on the pecking order reducing his perceived value even further from where his real value might be. No one is going to offer Reggie $10M/yr when they will be looking for a better PG from day one. If Reggie were that good OKC could be thinking of trading Westbrook to the Magic for Afflalo and the #4 and #12 picks in the draft. Solve the SG issue and they could take another backup PG along with another quality prospect. However, you'd never give up Westbrook to make Reggie your starting PG unless you were getting LeBron.

Post #15 » by **bondom34** » Sat Jun 21, 2014 12:49 am

Kizz Fastfists wrote:First, who are you going to trade him to? It has to be a team where he would be the starter and has assets that the Thunder would want and be willing to part with them. He might start for Milwaukee and Orlando. That is the list of teams I'd expect him to be a start. Maybe Sacramento if they lose Isaiah Thomas and maybe Miami. The Lakers might be possible after Nash retires the end of next year if they don't like Marshall as their starter.

Out of those teams who is going to give you value? Milwaukee or Orlando might trade you protected first round pick(s), but they don't have any players they can trade you with Reggie's minimal contract. That is assuming Orlando doesn't draft Exum or Smart. The biggest issue is that Reggie is a GREAT backup PG. However, how many starting PGs would actually consider inferior? Then factor in that there are 2 PGs that will likely go in the top 8 of this year's draft and you have two more teams that are not interested.

Reggie has more value to OKC then he does to another team. I really think Presti could play hard ball and dare him to test RFA and he wouldn't have to match an offer over $6M. PG is loaded right now in the NBA. Reggie is going to be an FA with Rajon Rondo, Kemba Walker, Kyrie, Lin and Rubio. Monta Ellis and Dragic can opt out and be in that FA class also. Reggie is going to be down on the pecking order reducing his perceived value even further from where his real value might be. No one is going to offer Reggie $10M/yr when they will be looking for a better PG from day one. If Reggie were that good OKC could be thinking of trading Westbrook to the Magic for Afflalo and the #4 and #12 picks in the draft. Solve the SG issue and they could take another backup PG along with another quality prospect. However, you'd never give up Westbrook to make Reggie your starting PG unless you were getting LeBron.

I agree, which is why I asked the question. I could see him start for NY, Miami, Detroit, Indy, MKE, Orlando, and a couple others, but don't know what they would give.

Balkman32 · Post #16 » by **Balkman32** » Sat Jun 21, 2014 1:00 am

Indiana looks like they need a PG.

But, it's not all based on needs. If one GM loves him he will trade for Reggie. What can you get? Whatever the best package is. Did anyone think Houston had enough for Harden? No.

The Thunder can not loose him. If he gets an offer on the RFA market next year for 4 years 36 mill we can not match. I believe that was the contract Jeff Green signed. Then the thunder just lost a key player for nothing.

Kizz Fastfists · Post #17 » by **Kizz Fastfists** » Sat Jun 21, 2014 1:43 am

Jeff Green was traded for Kendrick Perkins.

Space Dracula · Post #18 » by **Space Dracula** » Sat Jun 21, 2014 3:36 am

If we decided to trade Reggie I'd expect a low lottery pick in return -- similar in value to what the Spurs got for George Hill. Reggie does have more value to us than that, but reality is that if he does not agree to an extension Sam Presti's shown he is willing to show his players to the door for less than ideal value.

Balkman32 · Post #19 » by **Balkman32** » Sat Jun 21, 2014 6:35 am

Kizz Fastfists wrote:Jeff Green was traded for Kendrick Perkins.

& Boston signed Jeff Green to that deal. I think Reggie holds more value now then Green did then.

Kizz Fastfists · Post #20 » by **Kizz Fastfists** » Sat Jun 21, 2014 2:10 pm

Value in the NBA has a lot of factors. Position has a LOT to do with it. Green is better compared to the average SF than Reggie is to the average PG. Boston also knew they were overpaying when they signed Green to try to extend their window for another year with their big 3. Boston's revenue from market size allowed them to overpay him. Fortunately, the Thunder won't have many big market teams able to get in on the bidding with Reggie because most will be over the cap and only have the MLE to offer or will be chasing LeBron, Love, Aldridge, etc. instead of trying to overpay their bench.

Reggie was 27th in PER for PGs last year. You want him as your 4th/5th best player. He's not a guy a team targets to help them make a big jump. He's a $6-8M/yr player. You really think Reggie is going to get more as an FA than Monta Ellis, Brandon Jennings, Jose Calderon, Mike Conley, Jeff Teague, Dragic and George Hill got the last two off-seasons?

The Jeff Green contract was $35.2M over 4 years. It maxes out at $9.2M. It paid him $8.1M the first year, $8.7M year 2, 9.2M in year 3 followed by a player option at $9.2M.