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With guys like Gordon Hayward, Avery Bradley, and Jodie Meeks getting pretty large contracts... I think Reggie will be wanting 12-15mil a year. I don't see OKC giving him this much. Could we see another Harden trade? What types of players do you think we could get for Reggie?


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There's no way I see him getting 12. I thought 8 prior to this offseason, but w/ the bigger deals we're seeing, plus the raise in the salary cap, I could see him getting 10 next year, which I think if the cap jumps again OKC would match. Otherwise, I could see a trade being worked out for another guard, but I think they keep him.

I think he will be offered 8-10 and if he doesn't get it he'll be traded, the question then becomes for what?

I do not believe they will trade him. There is just no value in it. His contract number is too low. In order to get a legitimate player for him they would either have to package him with Perkins or use the trade exception. They are not trading him this week so forget the trade exception. I suppose that IF they land Gasol for the MLE and IF Reggie won't resign for $8-9M/yr then they might try to package Reggie and Perkins for someone like Calderon.

I just think they will go to RFA with Reggie if they can't sign him and see how it plays out. If you trade Reggie by himself you can only take back a $3M player. I guess they could include Thabeet to get up to around $4.5M. Even then who are you going to get that can fill the backup PG need you would create? The salary cap jump gave teams more money this year which causes salary inflation. The cap is also projected to go up again next year, 2025-2016, to $66.5M with a tax line of $81M. Given that I can see OKC consider giving Reggie $10M if needed to keep him.

The other thing you have to figure out is who is actually going to try to sign Reggie? Milwaukee? Lakers, if they don't land Isaiah Thomas? Dallas, if Monta Ellis opts out? Sacramento, if they lose Isaiah Thomas? Those are the only teams with the potential cap room I'd expect to even consider it. Milwaukee is probably the biggest threat to overpay and could offer him a starting job. However, if they land a PG early in next year's draft they go away as a threat and I'd expect them to throw a max offer at Rondo and Rubio before chasing Reggie, becasue stupid teams do stupid things. I'd expect Dallas and the Lakers to chase Rondo and Rubio first then go to Dragic and/or Monta Ellis if they opt out. After that then you have Jeremy Lin and Reggie Jackson to pursue. You can argue Reggie would be ahead of Monta Ellis, but given the lack of teams that would use Reggie as a starting PG and the lack of teams that can offer him significant money I'm really not worried about Reggie as a RFA. He's not a max player and while the SG market is causing massive overpay right now, because of the lack of quality SGs, the PG market is the opposite.

Perk plus Reggie is 10 million going out the door. I think if Sammy can not get an extension done we will see a small version of the Harden trade.

I really do not believe there is much of a market for Reggie. He's a backup PG on a good team and bad teams know he's not a difference maker and their lottery picks are worth more then he is.

So he was not our 4th best player on the floor last year?

I agree with everyone else. I'm bullish on Reggie as I think he's still improving and his 3 point shot has improved (with him hitting 39% in the playoffs). I'd be okay giving Reggie $9 million per and $10 million wouldn't be a total disaster, but anything else is too much. I think Reggie will have a great year and demand around $12 million next season, which is a problem. I want Reggie to stay, but I don't see a good solution. And we can't just keep letting best bench player walk...

Gonna throw this out there too, but I think they know and plan on going into the tax sometime. They just want to avoid repeater status as long as possible.

Balkman32 wrote:So he was not our 4th best player on the floor last year?

So he's like the...100th best player in the league?

His role is one of the easiest to replace via Draft. I doubt he'll get an offer that can make things difficult to work out cap-wise on mid term from this franchise. I say 4/36 is his likely offer. Any penny more is imo, overpaying. Ibaka is getting 4/48, don't forget that.

bondom34 wrote:Gonna throw this out there too, but I think they know and plan on going into the tax sometime. They just want to avoid repeater status as long as possible.

I agree, when KD and RW get new contracts they'll be in their primes and that's when they could 2 maybe 3 titles.


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Balkman32 wrote:Perk plus Reggie is 10 million going out the door. I think if Sammy can not get an extension done we will see a small version of the Harden trade.

This gets my vote. Reggie is a nice player, but his ceiling is an All-Star game, IMO. Keep your bullets for bigger game.

Deals signed this summer:

Eric Bledsoe 14 per for 5 years
Kyle Lowry 12 per for 4 years
Avery Bradley 8 per for 4 years
Goran Dragic 7.5 per for 2 years (player option on year 2 he'll be a FA again next summer with the cap jump)
Isiah Thomas 6.8 per for 4 years
Greivis Vasquez 6.5 per for 2 years
Jodie Meeks 6.3 per for 3 years
Darren Collison sucks and got 5 million per for 3 years
Patty Mills 3.3 per for 3 years (Spurs get steals in FA because of Environment)

Player similar to Reggie Jackson and the remainder of their deals:

Ty Lawson(better than RJ but) 12 per for 3 more years
Jrue Holiday 11 per for 3 more years
Jeff Teague 8 per for 3 more years
Monta Ellis 9 per for really 1 more year
George Hill 8 per for 3 more years
OJ Mayo 8 per 3 more



What is a good number to resign Reggie this week? Do you want to risk him hitting restricted free agency next summer after he's going to get a ton of more minutes and shots. He could be next summers Eric Bledsoe demanding a MAX contract, and after a few months of looking like no one would make an offer his own team then offered the max.

He's by far the best backup PG in the league. He SHOULD be a starter and he WANTS to be a starter and he never will be a absolute starter here as long as Westbrook is here. He'll start from time to time, but we'll always be on the search for a SG to start ahead of him and Westbrook is PG.

“I want to be a starter,” Jackson said. “I’ve always wanted to be a starter. I’ve always wanted to be great. All the greats I’ve seen started, so that’s kind of the mold.”

“I’ve always had confidence in myself,” Jackson said. “I’ve definitely had doubts in myself, but most of the time, I’m a very confident individual. I believe I put in the work, and I believe I’m blessed by my God to do some miraculous things. I think we all have (been blessed) in life, and we’ve just got to find out what it is. I just want to go out there and compete, and I guess that’s probably where my competitive nature comes from.

“I feel like I’m blessed beyond wildest measures. So to me, I don’t want to – this is just how I feel, I don’t know how people will take it – I don’t want to disrespect my God by settling. I think me and everybody else has a reason and a chance to go out there and be great in whatever aspect they want in life, and I’ve always tried to do my best. That’s kind of how I approach life. My family taught me, and especially my brothers growing up, that I always wanted a chance to be great. That’s my destiny.”

“I want a chance to be great,” Jackson said. “If it doesn’t work, oh well, at least I tried. That’s just how I feel. The best ones I remember have always been starters. I can’t recall a super sixth man. I never thought it growing up, I never felt like that.

“They make great contributions, and it takes everybody to be on a team,” he added quickly. “I’m not doubting that.”

'I want to play against the best. I want to play against Chris Paul. I want to play against Kyrie Irving. I want to be considered playing against those guys. I want to be mentioned in the highest of levels. I want to get a chance to just go out and play and be the best I can be, to be considered among the best. I want to be the best.”

“I can be content, but I’ll still always want to be better,” Jackson said. “I can be the number-one player at my position at point guard in the league, but I’ll still want to be the best player in the league. I want to be the best in the world. That’s how I wake up every day. That’s how I approach my workouts. That’s just how I am. That’s just who I am.”


Does this sound like a guy who wants to be Westbrooks backup for the next 4 or 5 years? What is a fair offer? Is it time for a Hardenesque deal?

The market and the rising cap says he's worth at least 10 per and the fact that it seems he really wants his own team he could demand even 12 to see if another team would pay that much and him being the one running the show. If the Twolves strike out on resigning Rubio reasonable would they pay Jackson more than 10? I think so. The Bucks flirted with offering Eric Bledsoe a deal but they knew Phoenix would match, not much faith in Knight, would they offer more than 10 for Jackson? The Sacramento Kings let Isiah Thomas go then wasted over 7 million on 2 barely 2nd string below avg PGs in Darren Collison and Ramon Sessions, they still don't have a starting PG, would their crazy new owner pay over 10 for RJ? You bet.

OMG Whateva ETC wrote:The market and the rising cap says he's worth at least 10 per and the fact that it seems he really wants his own team he could demand even 12 to see if another team would pay that much and him being the one running the show. If the Twolves strike out on resigning Rubio reasonable would they pay Jackson more than 10? I think so. The Bucks flirted with offering Eric Bledsoe a deal but they knew Phoenix would match, not much faith in Knight, would they offer more than 10 for Jackson? The Sacramento Kings let Isiah Thomas go then wasted over 7 million on 2 barely 2nd string below avg PGs in Darren Collison and Ramon Sessions, they still don't have a starting PG, would their crazy new owner pay over 10 for RJ? You bet.

And OKC can match.

And I would eliminate Minnesota pretty easily. I'd put low odds on Milwaukee going for him, as well as NY or Sacramento. But honestly, I think OKC matches most offers.

Also, I don't know if he's the best backup PG in the league. He makes sense around 9 mil per year.

OMG Whateva ETC wrote:Darren Collison sucks and got 5 million per for 3 years

25.9 min, 11.4 pts, 3.7 ast, 2.4 reb, 1.2 stl, .2 blk, 1.7 to, 46.7% FG%, 37.6% 3pt%, 85.7% FT%, 5.9 wins, .136 WS/48

28.5 min, 12.1 pts, 4.1 ast, 3.9 reb, 1.1 stl, .1 blk, 2.1 to, 44% FG%, 33.9% 3pt%, 89.3% FT%, 4.9 wins, .104 ws/48

Do you know which is Reggie and which is Collison? Collison is the one that shoots better, turns the ball over less and provides more wins. If Collison sucks then Reggie is a straight up scrub. Reggie's value is in the $6-7M/yr range. As an RFA he'll probably get a $8M/yr offer. If he has a breakout year he might get a $10M/yr offer. There is very little chance he would get an offer that the Thunder couldn't match if they wanted to with Perkins coming off the books.

I don't expect Reggie to sign an offer sheet as an RFA. I expect him to take the QO then try, and fail, to get a max deal the following off-season and realize that the rest of the NBA knows what he doesn't know. That he is a good backup PG, but no team with championship goals would want him as their starting PG unless he's the 4th/5th best player on the team and he won't take the contract that comes with that. He's never going to be a top 3 player on a championship team. He'll be a role player on a good team or a top 3 player on a mediocre team. Reggie needs a team that doesn't want to win or at least doesn't know how to win to be willing to overpay him for him to get an offer over $8M/yr shows drastic improvement this year.

Reggie's other problem is there are around 5-8 equal or better PGs that will hit FA next year. He will be way down the target list because teams would rather get the better PG or the UFA of equal talent instead of dealing with the RFA process. By the time teams get around to Reggie his agent won't have any leverage because teams will already have filled any PG needs so he could easily get low balled by the last team looking for a decent PG offering around $6M/yr.

Minny isn't going to re-sign Rubio and they are not going to sign Reggie. Rubio wants a 6 year max deal from the Wolves and they are not going to give that to him which is why they have LaVine to be their PG after this year. They might even trade Rubio at some point. Milwaukee will have a max offer around $10M given the amount of salary they already have on the books. That is assuming they don't solve their PG issue by drafting Mudiay. If Sacarmento re-signs Rudy Gay they won't have the cap to offer Reggie more than $8M. Even if they lost Gay why would they overpay Reggie when they have at worst an equal PG in Collison?

bondom34 wrote:Also, I don't know if he's the best backup PG in the league. He makes sense around 9 mil per year.

But using rough figures, a 60 million cap now is going to 90 million .

So a 10 million dollar contract now will = a 15 million dollar contract under new cap.

Salaries for everyone are going up, only question is how quickly the league raises the cap.

If I were Reggie, I don't sign anything now. I wanna know what kind of money teams have available next summer.

Silver talked yesterday after the owners meeting, that they are working with the union on " smoothing " in the new cap, I think both Reggie and the Thunder will want to know details .

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bondom34 wrote:Also, I don't know if he's the best backup PG in the league. He makes sense around 9 mil per year.

But using rough figures, a 60 million cap now is going to 90 million .

So a 10 million dollar contract now will = a 15 million dollar contract under new cap.

Salaries for everyone are going up, only question is how quickly the league raises the cap.

If I were Reggie, I don't sign anything now. I wanna know what kind of money teams have available next summer.

Silver talked yesterday after the owners meeting, that they are working with the union on " smoothing " in the new cap, I think both Reggie and the Thunder will want to know details .

90 million, but not in 1 year. Likely around 70 million or so, so maybe he gets 10 instead of 9. RJ is a free agent next year, so unless he's signing a deal like that next season, he's paid on current numbers. I trust Presti on this one though, and doubt he overpays (he's only done it once).