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After all the complaining on Lamb, Waiters, and Brooks, lets complain about someone else!

Seriously though, given his play and status on the team, I'm wondering if RJ's time is limited in OKC. Just thought I'd see what everyone else out there wants if he's traded. I still kinda want him to stick around, but he seems to want out, and his play hasn't been so great of late, he seems to be playing for himself a lot. I posted this thread on the trade board:

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1365961

But basically, I want Perk, RJ, and Lamb to be dealt for a better backup big and backup PG. Defensive minded big and decent PG making 12 mil or less to get them outta the tax, or close enough to make cutting Ish get them there. Two suggestions I'd do so far are with Miami and Indy:

for Chalmers/Birdman/second round pick

for Watson/Mahinmi

both bigs are similar to or better than Perk in defensive metrics I've glanced through, and I think the PGs would be good for the role needed. Just my thoughts, but figured I'd see where others stood.

First, the terrible offense. OKC haven't establish an offense for 7 **** years... I'm glad Darnell is calling out this team tendencies.

This is Year 7, and the Thunder's offense is still a glorified two-man game.

The Thunder ranks last in the league in assists, mustering just 19.6 per game, Serge Ibaka continues to go long stretches, especially late in games, without getting a single touch and Steven Adams and his developing low post game go largely ignored after the first quarter. The reasons are simple. The Thunder's shot selection and overall offensive discipline remains a disgrace. Westbrook and Durant appear to have free reign to do much of whatever they want (as long as it starts with a high ball screen), and everyone else must figure it out, with no backup plan to consistently get others involved.

http://newsok.com/article/5383199

Scott Brooks needs to goooooo. And don't forget about James **** trade...

sign

- frustrated OKC fan!

Was kinda hoping this thread would be for RJ....but as for Brooks, he's fine by me. They run iso because they're great at it.

I 100% am on board for a Reggie Jackson trade as long as it returns us what bondom suggested. We might as well try and move Perk and his expiring contract and a disgruntled Reggie and his expiring contract to teams in rebuild mode or gearing towards a rebuild mode. Obviously we have to get a back-up PG and a capable backup big in return. Even if we don't trade Perkins I think we have a more pressing need in the frontcourt than at backup PG. I think Waiters can essentially fill Jackson's role. Jackson is a "PG" in name only. He's not any better as a distributor than Waiters, and I think Waiters is a better all-around offensive player. Basically, I think Waiters and Jackson are now redundant and I think Waiters is already better and has a higher ceiling.

Reggie's shot selection has gone to crap lately. I have no idea why he's abandoned his reliable penetration and floater/runner game. Now he's good for at least one stepback, high-arching three or long two that fail miserably and don't even come close to drawing iron. He wants a bigger role, one above his actual talent, and that's not sitting well with the other players and I think it's become quite obvious. So even though Waiters didn't have the best attitude in Cleveland, Reggie's attitude is rubbing his current teammates the wrong way. Maybe a change of scenery will doe Waiters some good and he'll be more accepting of his role with the Thunder.

It's hard for me to say this because he's always been one of my favorite players, but Collison's time is done. He's more bad than good these days and, because of that, we don't really have a reliable backup big. We need one. So if we could get a Birdman or Mahinmi caliber player in return for even just Reggie, I'm all for it.

I'd rather aim a little higher than Chalmers/Anderson...not sure Watson/Mahinimi would really be much better either. I don't know though, I haven't been able to really watch many games this year so don't know exactly how bad Jackson/Lamb have been and what they could fetch.

The problem with dealing Reggie is the return. The Knicks are supposed to be interested, but they aren't giving up this year's first round pick so they having nothing that would be useful. The Brook Lopez rumor was interesting, especially if Lopez came off the bench as a scorer for the second unit, but that is unlikely. Maybe Reggie and Lamb for Greg Monroe? Monroe would be an expiring contract with no chance of being re-signed, but he would be a huge upgrade over Perkins as the first big off the bench.

Teams are going to have believe that the Reggie they saw the second half of last season that made people believe he could be a high quality player is really him. I just find it hard to expect a team to believe that enough to give up quality assets for him. Reggie seems to think he earned his money last year and it doesn't matter what he does this year. That is not the case and if he doesn't start playing better he's going to be even more unhappy with his FA offers than I was expecting when there was a chance he could have built on last year's break out.

Reggie, Perk and Lamb for Mo Williams and Thad Young?

Perk/Lamb for ZaZa?

Reggie for Nash trade exception and Ed Davis for Lance Thomas trade exception
And
Lamb for Luke Ridnour

Steven Adams needs to play MORE MINUTES.

First need to fire Brooks

Calderon + Smith + Early for Jackson+ Perkins+ Lamb

Problem with this trade is that Calderon has 3 more seasons x 7 mil

Lin + Sacre for Perkins + Jackson

jackson77 wrote:First need to fire Brooks

Calderon + Smith + Early for Jackson+ Perkins+ Lamb

Problem with this trade is that Calderon has 3 more seasons x 7 mil

Lin + Sacre for Perkins + Jackson

Every move in this post is a bad one.

spearsy23 wrote:Reggie, Perk and Lamb for Mo Williams and Thad Young?

Perk/Lamb for ZaZa?

Reggie for Nash trade exception and Ed Davis for Lance Thomas trade exception
And
Lamb for Luke Ridnour

I'm not so thrilled with your proposal

jackson77 wrote:

spearsy23 wrote:Reggie, Perk and Lamb for Mo Williams and Thad Young?

Perk/Lamb for ZaZa?

Reggie for Nash trade exception and Ed Davis for Lance Thomas trade exception
And
Lamb for Luke Ridnour

I'm not so thrilled with your proposal

I'm not either, I'd prefer to stick with Reggie.

bondom34 wrote:Was kinda hoping this thread would be for RJ....but as for Brooks, he's fine by me. They run iso because they're great at it.

I really don't want to help hi-jack your thread, but ........

Darnell wants to turn KD into Kyle Korver, shooting catch and shoots , coming off screens.

Thunderhead wrote:

bondom34 wrote:Was kinda hoping this thread would be for RJ....but as for Brooks, he's fine by me. They run iso because they're great at it.

I really don't want to help hi-jack your thread, but ........

Darnell wants to turn KD into Kyle Korver, shooting catch and shoots , coming off screens.

Doesn't KD have the highest iso pps in the league over the last couple years?

spearsy23 wrote:

Thunderhead wrote:

bondom34 wrote:Was kinda hoping this thread would be for RJ....but as for Brooks, he's fine by me. They run iso because they're great at it.

I really don't want to help hi-jack your thread, but ........

Darnell wants to turn KD into Kyle Korver, shooting catch and shoots , coming off screens.

Doesn't KD have the highest iso pps in the league over the last couple years?

I saw a stat the other day, from Synergy, that confirms that. I can't pay for Synergy to verify. Its in this ,

http://bballbreakdown.com/2015/01/07/atlanta-hawks-can-make-run-nba-finals/

I just rewatched this and found it at the 11:36 mark, but this entire breakdown is worth watching , IMO.

Coach Nicks shows some stats from Synergy bout the Hawks, and I noticed KD was at the top of the list for ISO effiency.

Ya know, I like what Budz and the Spurs do, but Thunder just not built that way. Every player on the Hawks can hit a jump shot, so it seems to me that passing the ball and finding the open shooter, is a good strategy. But all Thunder are gonna find is Perk, Adams , or Roberson.

Sometimes it seems, that every player on the Spurs can knock down 3's at at 50% rate

As far as Reggie's time in OKC being limited, Zach Lowe tweeted bout this Friday night, just watch KD on the bench with the towel. Not sure what to make of it , but I don't think its good.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2H3Y3zGMfVQ&feature=youtu.be[/youtube]

The fact that Lamb has not been traded yet leaves me to believe that a trade for RJ is most likely in the works and they are going to have Lamb fill in for RJs minutes when he leaves. Otherwise I have no clue why Lamb was not traded a long time ago.

spearsy23 wrote:Reggie, Perk and Lamb for Mo Williams and Thad Young?

Perk/Lamb for ZaZa?

Reggie for Nash trade exception and Ed Davis for Lance Thomas trade exception
And
Lamb for Luke Ridnour

I like Zaza a lot, I'd gladly do that and send RJ elsewhere.

jackson77 wrote:First need to fire Brooks

Calderon + Smith + Early for Jackson+ Perkins+ Lamb

Problem with this trade is that Calderon has 3 more seasons x 7 mil

Lin + Sacre for Perkins + Jackson

Not one of these, please.

Thunderhead wrote:

bondom34 wrote:Was kinda hoping this thread would be for RJ....but as for Brooks, he's fine by me. They run iso because they're great at it.

I really don't want to help hi-jack your thread, but ........

Darnell wants to turn KD into Kyle Korver, shooting catch and shoots , coming off screens.

Mayberry needs to get into coaching. Just to show he can't do it and get fired in a week, KD and Westbrook run isos because they're frickin great at them. Just stand em in a corner and have em shoot, brilliant!

KDfan35 wrote:First, the terrible offense. OKC haven't establish an offense for 7 **** years... I'm glad Darnell is calling out this team tendencies.

This is Year 7, and the Thunder's offense is still a glorified two-man game.

The Thunder ranks last in the league in assists, mustering just 19.6 per game, Serge Ibaka continues to go long stretches, especially late in games, without getting a single touch and Steven Adams and his developing low post game go largely ignored after the first quarter. The reasons are simple. The Thunder's shot selection and overall offensive discipline remains a disgrace. Westbrook and Durant appear to have free reign to do much of whatever they want (as long as it starts with a high ball screen), and everyone else must figure it out, with no backup plan to consistently get others involved.

http://newsok.com/article/5383199

Scott Brooks needs to goooooo. And don't forget about James **** trade...

sign

- frustrated OKC fan!

OKC o-rating prior to this year going backwards
6th (missing Russ for long periods)
2nd
1st
5th
9th

Yeah, Brooks has really struggled to instill an offense

If Darnell see's a developing post game from Adams, then he's got eyes I don't have . I think Adams is good for put backs and dump offs, but I don't see an offensive game that is dependable.

And neither does David Thorpe in his Sophomore Rankings, this is what he says ( ESPN Insider )

9. Steven Adams, Thunder
His pure numbers are not impressive, but Adams plays a key role for OKC on defense, which is why he starts for the Thunder now. However, his minutes are trending down in part because of his lack of offensive punch. While no one expects him to be a post-up threat on this team, it is fair to expect him to both clean up on the offensive glass and finish putbacks far better than what he is doing.

His struggles begin and end with his impatience after gathering a missed shot, rushing to put a shot back up (and missing point-blank shots half the time) rather than either kicking the ball out for a new possession or gathering, faking and exploding up to either finish or draw the foul.