New frontcourt is significantly better

[hardenASG13]

I know a lot of people blindly supported Perkins and his supposedly good screen setting, but after watching one game with the new guys it's comparing apples to oranges. Kanter, mcgary, Collison, and of course Adams and Ibaka are way better than any frontcourt okc has ever had. Perk was a huge liability on both ends, his shots were basically turnovers as were all the illegal screens and travels. They now have an extremely deep and talented frontcourt with the subtraction of Perkins combined with the addition of kanter and essentially mcgary. They are about to climb the standings if anyone slips slightly ahead of them or suffers an injury, which odds would say is likely.

[bondom34]

Also of note, Ibaka's now kinda the "old man" among the heavy minute big men. Collison I'd expect to take a smaller mentor role, but Serge, McGary, Adams, and Kanter. WOW.

[spearsy23]

I know a lot of people blindly supported Perkins and his supposedly good screen setting, but after watching one game with the new guys it's comparing apples to oranges. Kanter, mcgary, Collison, and of course Adams and Ibaka are way better than any frontcourt okc has ever had. Perk was a huge liability on both ends, his shots were basically turnovers as were all the illegal screens and travels. They now have an extremely deep and talented frontcourt with the subtraction of Perkins combined with the addition of kanter and essentially mcgary. They are about to climb the standings if anyone slips slightly ahead of them or suffers an injury, which odds would say is likely.

The blind support of Perkins? Are you and I living in the same reality?

[hardenASG13]

Within the organization he was handed minutes despite how painfully bad he was. Also some people, particularly in the media, still praise him as a great defender and screen setter. He was neither, but who cares thank god he's gone. Good luck with that Cleveland. Okc is now absolutely loaded everywhere.

[Thunderhead]

Within the organization he was handed minutes despite how painfully bad he was. Also some people, particularly in the media, still praise him as a great defender and screen setter. He was neither, but who cares thank god he's gone. Good luck with that Cleveland. Okc is now absolutely loaded everywhere.

He was both.

Lebron did not call him , and recruit him to the Cav's, because Lebron needed a good friend in the locker room.

I'm so tired of " fans " like you, who as KD says, don't know chit.

And you think you know more basketball, than Brooks, Presti, the players on the team, and Lebron. Do you not have the ability to think logically ? That if all these people supported Perk, that maybe there was something to it ?

Or how bout SportVU tracking data, that says Perk is one of the best rim defenders in the league ? Better than Adams .

You Perk haters, worked so hard to hate the man, that every error he made , became magnified, even though other players made the same mistakes. Big men with bad hands, are common. Big men with high TO rates are common. Adams commits 1.6 TO pg, and Perk commits 1.5, but all you see is Perk.

Its incredible, even after you saw teams anxious to recruit Perk when he was available, and it was not just ordinary clubs, it was contending teams who wanted him on their roster.

When ya gonna realize, that's there more to the game, than you know ? I know that's a shock to you, but there is very much that possibility, because there's too much evidence to support that idea.

[Thunderhead]

BTW, is the frontcourt better ?

Well, lets get past one game before drawing conclusions.

Kanter's defense on Jefferson last night, was good. But ...... Kanter was a teammate of Jefferson for a full season, wasn't like he did not know what was coming.

And Adams will remain the starting center for defense.

But lets check back come first week of April, and see what the frontcourt looks like. Right now, it has the appearance of being a defensive sieve.

[spearsy23]

Is Ibaka/second year Adams/Kanter/Collison/McGary better than Ibaka/Perk/Collison/a Rookie Adams/Thabeet? I don't think there's a case to be made otherwise.

[spearsy23]

Let's not completely rewrite the last few years. What we lost was a terrific teammate, person and presence, but not a terrific player. I'm as sad as anybody to see him go, and I was wondering about sending Adams back to the bench because we'd looked better with Perk starting, but we definitely got more talented.

[hardenASG13]

Within the organization he was handed minutes despite how painfully bad he was. Also some people, particularly in the media, still praise him as a great defender and screen setter. He was neither, but who cares thank god he's gone. Good luck with that Cleveland. Okc is now absolutely loaded everywhere.

He was both.

Lebron did not call him , and recruit him to the Cav's, because Lebron needed a good friend in the locker room.

I'm so tired of " fans " like you, who as KD says, don't know chit.

And you think you know more basketball, than Brooks, Presti, the players on the team, and Lebron. Do you not have the ability to think logically ? That if all these people supported Perk, that maybe there was something to it ?

Or how bout SportVU tracking data, that says Perk is one of the best rim defenders in the league ? Better than Adams .

You Perk haters, worked so hard to hate the man, that every error he made , became magnified, even though other players made the same mistakes. Big men with bad hands, are common. Big men with high TO rates are common. Adams commits 1.6 TO pg, and Perk commits 1.5, but all you see is Perk.

Its incredible, even after you saw teams anxious to recruit Perk when he was available, and it was not just ordinary clubs, it was contending teams who wanted him on their roster.

When ya gonna realize, that's there more to the game, than you know ? I know that's a shock to you, but there is very much that possibility, because there's too much evidence to support that idea.

Here's the thing. All big guys are great screen setters. You just stand there and be big. Perk was no different than any other big guy. He set tons of illegal screens, and as I said lots of his shots were as good as turnovers. He could play on the ball d, but was terrible in the pick and roll/ pop, which every team runs. It sounds like he was a good teammates so KD liked him. They are people, of course he'd defend him. I guarantee teams didn't want him to be a major rotation player as he was in okc. Teams wanted him bc he has playoff experience and can be valuable in extremely limited situation, such as if Cleveland plays Chicago in the playoffs. I'm tired of 'fans' like you who always turn to stats to support their arguments. The guy was awful, an was playing way more than he deserved to. his departure will be a huge plus for okc stop kidding yourself he couldn't even catch and dunk a dump off pass

[Thunderhead]

Within the organization he was handed minutes despite how painfully bad he was. Also some people, particularly in the media, still praise him as a great defender and screen setter. He was neither, but who cares thank god he's gone. Good luck with that Cleveland. Okc is now absolutely loaded everywhere.

He was both.

Lebron did not call him , and recruit him to the Cav's, because Lebron needed a good friend in the locker room.

I'm so tired of " fans " like you, who as KD says, don't know chit.

And you think you know more basketball, than Brooks, Presti, the players on the team, and Lebron. Do you not have the ability to think logically ? That if all these people supported Perk, that maybe there was something to it ?

Or how bout SportVU tracking data, that says Perk is one of the best rim defenders in the league ? Better than Adams .

You Perk haters, worked so hard to hate the man, that every error he made , became magnified, even though other players made the same mistakes. Big men with bad hands, are common. Big men with high TO rates are common. Adams commits 1.6 TO pg, and Perk commits 1.5, but all you see is Perk.

Its incredible, even after you saw teams anxious to recruit Perk when he was available, and it was not just ordinary clubs, it was contending teams who wanted him on their roster.

When ya gonna realize, that's there more to the game, than you know ? I know that's a shock to you, but there is very much that possibility, because there's too much evidence to support that idea.

Here's the thing. All big guys are great screen setters. You just stand there and be big. Perk was no different than any other big guy. He set tons of illegal screens, and as I said lots of his shots were as good as turnovers. He could play on the ball d, but was terrible in the pick and roll/ pop, which every team runs. It sounds like he was a good teammates so KD liked him. They are people, of course he'd defend him. I guarantee teams didn't want him to be a major rotation player as he was in okc. Teams wanted him bc he has playoff experience and can be valuable in extremely limited situation, such as if Cleveland plays Chicago in the playoffs. I'm tired of 'fans' like you who always turn to stats to support their arguments. The guy was awful, an was playing way more than he deserved to. his departure will be a huge plus for okc stop kidding yourself he couldn't even catch and dunk a dump off pass

No they are not. Setting screens involves more than just holding down a piece of real estate, its about timing and anticipation, as much as holding that ground.

Every player gets called for illegal screen, Collison got one last night, they happen every game, you just targeted in on every mistake Perk made.

Perk is great in PnR, you can switch the 1 - 5 PnR and he can play the ball handler, because he understands positioning.

I'm not going to read your post any further, as KD says, you don't know chit.

Waste of time.

[Thunderhead]

Let's not completely rewrite the last few years. What we lost was a terrific teammate, person and presence, but not a terrific player. I'm as sad as anybody to see him go, and I was wondering about sending Adams back to the bench because we'd looked better with Perk starting, but we definitely got more talented.

So Lebron calls him, recruits him to the Cavs, cause he's such a great person.

Well, if you say so. I kinda thing Lebron knows a good player, when he see's one.

I'm sorry man, I don't wanna get personal, but I gotta think there's a lot going on the court, that you are not seeing.

Perk had to make a decision among all the teams courting him to play on their contending teams, you think you better judge of his talent than those teams ? What else does it take to proove his worth ?

The only bad thing about Perk, was his contract. He was not worth 9 million per year. I'm curious as to how much he will sign for this summer as an FA, I'm gotta think its gonna stun the Perk haters.

[hardenASG13]

He will be lucky to be on a roster next year. And the second quote you highlighted was from someone else, who also is arguing that perk was good. We'll see, you will have forgot all about perk in a month or so when we see what KD and Westbrook do with nba caliber big men. And I know there is more to screening than holding down real estate, watch all the nba centers, they are all really good it they are in the nba! Perk doesn't do it better than anyone else it's a dumb defense by people who believe the media and don't know their stuff. I'm not missing anything out there, especially Perkins as a thunder fan. Since I didn't know him personally, I'm happier to see nba caliber athletes finally in the big man spots

[Thunderhead]

He will be lucky to be on a roster next year. And the second quote you highlighted was from someone else, who also is arguing that perk was good. We'll see, you will have forgot all about perk in a month or so when we see what KD and Westbrook do with nba caliber big men. And I know there is more to screening than holding down real estate, watch all the nba centers, they are all really good it they are in the nba! Perk doesn't do it better than anyone else it's a dumb defense by people who believe the media and don't know their stuff. I'm not missing anything out there, especially Perkins as a thunder fan. Since I didn't know him personally, I'm happier to see nba caliber athletes finally in the big man spots

I guess the fact that once he became available, his phone rang off the wall, means nothing to you.

You in denial.

[bbms]

Perkins is a good situational role player and that's about it.

He's easily the worst offensive player the Thunder ever had. He was a turnover machine, demanded no defensive attention on him, which made the pick and roll ran through him automatically a double team, clogged the lanes for our driving guards and from time to time just went and played hero ball, like demanding the ball in the post (while being awful from the post) or running the "show" on fast breaks.

What he was good at, was defending against traditional low post threats, which the West is always rich at. What made him so toxic for the Thunder wasn't his contract, but Brooks inability to recognize him as a situational type of player, and refused to bench him on games he has no use at playing - like the Miami Heat series, where the Thunder defense got exposed to small ball mismatches.

Brooks stubborness and lack of creativity turn a valuable asset like Perkins into a liability. And that's why the Cavs went after Perkins - they need a quality defensive big to match up against Gasol, Horford, Nene, Gortat, Valanciunas, Lopez and goes on. Nice pick up for them.

[ThadMan]

Imo I believe perk was playing significantly beeter this year than last. Lost all that weight and was more agile ( although still had almost none ). But he must have been an amazing team mate. And he was a good post defense, Memphis and Houston always struggled against him. Watching kanter I thought he was average on Jefferson, and he knows his moves. Imo he did not look nearly as good a post defender as perk

[Thunderhead]

Perkins is a good situational role player and that's about it.

He's easily the worst offensive player the Thunder ever had. He was a turnover machine, demanded no defensive attention on him, which made the pick and roll ran through him automatically a double team, clogged the lanes for our driving guards and from time to time just went and played hero ball, like demanding the ball in the post (while being awful from the post) or running the "show" on fast breaks.

What he was good at, was defending against traditional low post threats, which the West is always rich at. What made him so toxic for the Thunder wasn't his contract, but Brooks inability to recognize him as a situational type of player, and refused to bench him on games he has no use at playing - like the Miami Heat series, where the Thunder defense got exposed to small ball mismatches.

No doubt about it, he was terrible offensively.

But anyone who ever watched a bit of basketball , could see that.

As for clogging the lanes, they found ways around that, by bringing him out to the perimeter to set screens, and where he positioned down low, and using him like fullback to create space for Russ.

He's one of the top rim defenders in the league, which is why Lebron called him, the Cavs need rim defense, and he can bring it. they don't need scoring ( Thunder did not need scoring either ) .

[bondom34]

I'd say Perk gets about 2-3 mil next year. He's a great situational guy, and fits in perfectly on the Cavs. I'll miss the guy to be honest, he was a great teammate and fantastic defender. At 9 mil he wasn't worth it and I'm hopeful for Kanter, but don't throw Perk under the bus, he did a ton for OKC and will be missed in some matchups. Kanter brings something to the table as well though, and its completely different than anything the Thunder has ever had. Looking forward to seeing it.

[Thunderhead]

Imo I believe perk was playing significantly beeter this year than last. Lost all that weight and was more agile ( although still had almost none ). But he must have been an amazing team mate. And he was a good post defense, Memphis and Houston always struggled against him. Watching kanter I thought he was average on Jefferson, and he knows his moves. Imo he did not look nearly as good a post defender as perk

This past off season, was first time he did not have some kind of surgery, in years, probably back to Celtic days.

Kantor did better on Jefferson, than I expected. I was pleasantly surprised. I wondered if familiarity played into that.

[Thunderhead]

I'd say Perk gets about 2-3 mil next year. He's a great situational guy, and fits in perfectly on the Cavs. I'll miss the guy to be honest, he was a great teammate and fantastic defender. At 9 mil he wasn't worth it and I'm hopeful for Kanter, but don't throw Perk under the bus, he did a ton for OKC and will be missed in some matchups. Kanter brings something to the table as well though, and its completely different than anything the Thunder has ever had. Looking forward to seeing it.

That's what I was thinking also, till I saw the scramble for him last week.

[bondom34]

I'd say Perk gets about 2-3 mil next year. He's a great situational guy, and fits in perfectly on the Cavs. I'll miss the guy to be honest, he was a great teammate and fantastic defender. At 9 mil he wasn't worth it and I'm hopeful for Kanter, but don't throw Perk under the bus, he did a ton for OKC and will be missed in some matchups. Kanter brings something to the table as well though, and its completely different than anything the Thunder has ever had. Looking forward to seeing it.

That's what I was thinking also, till I saw the scramble for him last week.

I'd think it still is that way. Remember teams were/are scrambling for him at the vet min. At this point in the season, its slim pickins, he's clearly better than any other available bigs out there. Elhassan said it on ESPN last night, but Perk at the min for 5-10 MPG is fantastic, Perk at 9 mil for 29 MPG is awful. I'd say 2-3 mil as a backup big is reasonable, maybe a hair more.