TBOKED wrote:You must have an affiliation with PSU given that you are so defensive. I completely agree that PSU is a better academic institution than OU or any other school on Oklahoma, but that has nothing to do with this.
OUs brand did suffer, it will continue to for some time, and rightly so. However, they kicked the fraternity and key offenders off campus almost immediately after it happened and hired an African American to help monitor and improve race relations. Contrast that to PSU that allowed a predator to feast on its campus for 15 years. For you to compare the two is crazy.
Didn't your daddy ever teach you that two wrongs don't make a right? It is wrong thinking to immediately start comparing PSU to other universities. What they did, or didn't do, was wrong regardless of what other universities have done.
If you say you never generalize, you are a liar. Basic psychology outlines something called heuristics that people use all the time to process information, people of all races and creeds. If heuristics are used to oppress a race, it becomes racist. So don't pull that race card on me. I am embarrassed for this country's history on race, I do not support it, nor do most Oklahomans.
I think PSU should consider ditching the uniform because whether it is fair or not, it evokes a bad memory for many people. Would you argue the rebel flag should continue to fly? I would not. Regardless of any respectable meaning it might have once had, it is clearly now an oppressive symbol that cannot be tolerated.
I am not asking everyone to agree with me that the Thunder alt looks like PSUs, or to even agree with my perspective. However, I have a right to my opinion. I shouldn't be assaulted for it, and it is offensive that that you are doing so.
Finally, your remark about my comments being smart ass and snide are really interesting. You should read your own posts before throwing stones. You do it all the time.
Holy crap that's a terrible comparison. They had one coach and 2 higher ups do this. When it was found out they completely reformed everything to the extent that the NCAA, who handed the sanctions, said they were doing well enough to end it early. No, I don't generalize, and yes, your perspective is narrow minded and snide. And again, if they can't be compared to other universities, why would you bring them up in the first place.
The uniforms stand for what the school has stood for for over 100 years, integrity, academics, and (outstanding one large incident) ethics. They started the known "we are" chant because a school in the south wouldn't allow black players to play a game and they decided to sit it out because the coach who you're trying to shame wouldn't do segregate his players. They graduate one of the highest percentage of players in the country. Most guys from those teams who go on to life after football do so with a degree that allows them to do very well post-career, including multiple television analysts who are clearly intelligent and very well versed in public speaking and media (Blackledge, Millen, Michael Robinson, Arrington, among others). They also raise money in one of (maybe the) largest cancer research funding programs in the country. So yeah, to generalize the herp derp "P stands for something else" is really infuriating, narrow minded, and snide.
You made a terrible joke about a terrible situation. Not a single person at PSU supported what happened there other than the perpetrator and to generalize an entire university over it is both insulting and incredibly narrow minded. The OSU and OU situations involved more team members so can, in that regard, be considered much more widespread. I can go deeper into this to explain why said comment was so incredibly stupid and offensive but thought maybe it would be comprehensible to you, apparently not. So I supposed since joking about pedophilia while throwing out a huge generalization is completely acceptable to you, similar statements are. They're terrible to say and I assumed most people here were above that. Apparently you're not.
Also, to generalize isn't inherent to anyone, and to make a generalization as offensive as yours is insulting. To then say "well everyone does it" is insulting to everyone. I have never heard a single person on earth say they associate the uniforms with anything until now, so that seems to be a "you" thing, not some general idea they should ditch the entire history of the team for one guy. That seems like one guy with a terrible thought he can't process fully and is unable to determine that one man does not take an entire university down. By your comparison to the rebel flag, they should just change the US flag because at one time we had slaves. Women were suppressed as well, should change it again.
Oh, and to the final 2 sentences, I've seen you here, on the GB, and the trade board. Yeah, you've shown a pattern.
And, as a final point, there are very few ways to genuinely piss me off. I've gotten into a variety of debates here and disagreed vehemently with some (Hi Bravenewworld!). But never to the extent I felt he or others were making offensive and narrow minded comments about a large group of people. I can respect disagreement, not offensive generalizations.