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Nice trade

Very smart move by Presti, he is trying to fill white big man void which is much needed, everyone knows that in today's basketball you need at least ten white unathletic bigs to create a competitive team; Collison, Adams, Kanter, McGary, Ilyasova, Sabonis, Lauvergne...

jamalkandur wrote:Very smart move by Presti, he is trying to fill white big man void which is much needed, everyone knows that in today's basketball you need at least ten white unathletic bigs to create a competitive team; Collison, Adams, Kanter, McGary, Ilyasova, Sabonis, Lauvergne...

White yes. Unathletic?

No he is here to fill in the void for the French player. OKC now has players from New Zealand, Spain, Lithuania, Turkey, France, Uzbekistan/Turkey (Ersan)

Only if they could also bring in my favorites Luigi Datome(Italian) and Milos Teodosic (Serbian) then it would be full Spurs 2.0

jamalkandur wrote:Very smart move by Presti, he is trying to fill white big man void which is much needed, everyone knows that in today's basketball you need at least ten white unathletic bigs to create a competitive team; Collison, Adams, Kanter, McGary, Ilyasova, Sabonis, Lauvergne...

ROFL.

Bergmaniac wrote:

jamalkandur wrote:Very smart move by Presti, he is trying to fill white big man void which is much needed, everyone knows that in today's basketball you need at least ten white unathletic bigs to create a competitive team; Collison, Adams, Kanter, McGary, Ilyasova, Sabonis, Lauvergne...

ROFL.

So i have nailed six, but one guy is not so badly unathletic, and upon this you ROFL? I mean Ibaka type atletcism not meh athleticism! You need Deandre Jordan, Athnoy Davis, Hasan Whiteside at the same time to clean up this tardy, t-rex arm, pump fakers dystopia!

jamalkandur wrote:

Bergmaniac wrote:

jamalkandur wrote:Very smart move by Presti, he is trying to fill white big man void which is much needed, everyone knows that in today's basketball you need at least ten white unathletic bigs to create a competitive team; Collison, Adams, Kanter, McGary, Ilyasova, Sabonis, Lauvergne...

ROFL.

So i have nailed six, but one guy is not so badly unathletic, and upon this you ROFL? I mean Ibaka type atletcism not meh athleticism! You need Deandre Jordan, Athnoy Davis, Hasan Whiteside at the same time to clean up this tardy, t-rex arm, pump fakers dystopia!

Kanter isn't unathletic either. TBH, neither is Mitch, and Collison is just old.

bondom34 wrote:

jamalkandur wrote:

Bergmaniac wrote:ROFL.

So i have nailed six, but one guy is not so badly unathletic, and upon this you ROFL? I mean Ibaka type atletcism not meh athleticism! You need Deandre Jordan, Athnoy Davis, Hasan Whiteside at the same time to clean up this tardy, t-rex arm, pump fakers dystopia!

Kanter isn't unathletic either. TBH, neither is Mitch, and Collison is just old.

Sabonis isn't either, unless athletic just means 'can jump high.' somehow people thiink average NBA athleticism is a bad thing now. None of them except Adams are great athletes, but Nick is the only one who is below average (maybe enes if you look purely at his lateral quickness), and he was actually slightly above average coming into the league.

None of them are Steve Novak or Paul Shirley type athletes.

This was a great move by OKC you can't get much more value from two 2nd rounders then Joffrey.

spearsy23 wrote:

bondom34 wrote:

jamalkandur wrote:So i have nailed six, but one guy is not so badly unathletic, and upon this you ROFL? I mean Ibaka type atletcism not meh athleticism! You need Deandre Jordan, Athnoy Davis, Hasan Whiteside at the same time to clean up this tardy, t-rex arm, pump fakers dystopia!

Kanter isn't unathletic either. TBH, neither is Mitch, and Collison is just old.

Sabonis isn't either, unless athletic just means 'can jump high.' somehow people thiink average NBA athleticism is a bad thing now. None of them except Adams are great athletes, but Nick is the only one who is below average (maybe enes if you look purely at his lateral quickness), and he was actually slightly above average coming into the league.

None of them are Steve Novak or Paul Shirley type athletes.

Alright folks, Let me put it this way; an average NBA team usually has four rotational big men plus one garbage time big and you have already six 6'10+ bigs; Adams, Kanter, Collison, Ilyasova, McGary, Sabonis. These are serviceable also guaranteed contract players, but lets say somehow you have decided it is not enough and wanted to add a seventh one! Would you rather diversify you talent pool and bring a defensive specialist athletic tough guy? a very mobile guy who can capable of switch and defending multiple positions? an athletic rim protector? a sharpshooter stretch big? OR Lauvergne? He can't defend, he can 't stretch the floor, he is not an offensive juggernaut, also not a physical specimen and you already have more than enough bigs to share limited minutes, so what is the goal of this trade? It seems like Presti doesn't believe very popular small ball and fast pace trend and tries to create big slow no shoot ball. You can bring only 12 players to an NBA game, if seven of them would be those dudes, good luck with that!

jamalkandur wrote:

spearsy23 wrote:

bondom34 wrote:Kanter isn't unathletic either. TBH, neither is Mitch, and Collison is just old.

Sabonis isn't either, unless athletic just means 'can jump high.' somehow people thiink average NBA athleticism is a bad thing now. None of them except Adams are great athletes, but Nick is the only one who is below average (maybe enes if you look purely at his lateral quickness), and he was actually slightly above average coming into the league.

None of them are Steve Novak or Paul Shirley type athletes.

Alright folks, Let me put it this way; an average NBA team usually has four rotational big men plus one garbage time big and you have already six 6'10+ bigs; Adams, Kanter, Collison, Ilyasova, McGary, Sabonis. These are serviceable also guaranteed contract players, but lets say somehow you have decided it is not enough and wanted to add a seventh one! Would you rather diversify you talent pool and bring a defensive specialist athletic tough guy? a very mobile guy who can capable of switch and defending multiple positions? an athletic rim protector? a sharpshooter stretch big? OR Lauvergne? He can't defend, he can 't stretch the floor and you already have more than enough bigs to share limited minutes, so what is the goal of this trade? It seems like Presti doesn't believe very popular small ball and fast pace trend and tries to create big slow no shoot ball. You can bring only 12 players to an NBA game, if seven of them would be those dudes good luck with that!

So what you're saying is calling people unathletic wasn't at all relevant or correct. You were just throwing words together.

Ersan/Sabonis/Joffrey/Collison
Adams/Kanter

That's 6 bigs, Mitch will be gone, and Collison doesn't play. Ersan and Kanter can shoot, and apparently Joffrey has some range too. The goal of the trade was pretty likely "Goodbye Mitch".

bondom34 wrote:

jamalkandur wrote:

spearsy23 wrote:Sabonis isn't either, unless athletic just means 'can jump high.' somehow people thiink average NBA athleticism is a bad thing now. None of them except Adams are great athletes, but Nick is the only one who is below average (maybe enes if you look purely at his lateral quickness), and he was actually slightly above average coming into the league.

None of them are Steve Novak or Paul Shirley type athletes.

Alright folks, Let me put it this way; an average NBA team usually has four rotational big men plus one garbage time big and you have already six 6'10+ bigs; Adams, Kanter, Collison, Ilyasova, McGary, Sabonis. These are serviceable also guaranteed contract players, but lets say somehow you have decided it is not enough and wanted to add a seventh one! Would you rather diversify you talent pool and bring a defensive specialist athletic tough guy? a very mobile guy who can capable of switch and defending multiple positions? an athletic rim protector? a sharpshooter stretch big? OR Lauvergne? He can't defend, he can 't stretch the floor and you already have more than enough bigs to share limited minutes, so what is the goal of this trade? It seems like Presti doesn't believe very popular small ball and fast pace trend and tries to create big slow no shoot ball. You can bring only 12 players to an NBA game, if seven of them would be those dudes good luck with that!

So what you're saying is calling people unathletic wasn't at all relevant or correct. You were just throwing words together.

Ersan/Sabonis/Joffrey/Collison
Adams/Kanter

That's 6 bigs, Mitch will be gone, and Collison doesn't play. Ersan and Kanter can shoot, and apparently Joffrey has some range too. The goal of the trade was pretty likely "Goodbye Mitch".

Mitch can shoot, so he is better as a prospect and also he is on better longer term cheap rookie contract which included team option, everything aside why Thunder have to bother giving up two second round picks to replace a tier three player with another one, which not a better one? Lauvergne will be on the market next summer so if he would create a miracle and transform into a butterfly and killin it you can't even keep him with this salary cap situation(Kanter +Westbrook+oncoming Adams and Oladipo maxes) unless stupidly overpaid.

jamalkandur wrote:Mitch can shoot, so he is better as a prospect and also he is on better longer term cheap rookie contract which included team option, everything aside why Thunder have to bother giving up two second round picks to replace a tier three player with another one, which not a better one? Lauvergne will be on the market next summer so if he would create a miracle and transform into a butterfly and killin it you can't even keep him with this salary cap situation(Kanter +Westbrook+oncoming Adams and Oladipo maxes) unless stupidly overpaid.

Mitch can't stay on the court because he's either suspended for pot or injured. And no, he can't shoot.

And if they don't like Joffrey, his contract is a year shorter. Mitch literally can't get on the court, so if Joffrey can't and walks after a year, its less salary in the future. He's not getting paid much either way. But I'm assuming you're totally unfamiliar with McGary based off this convo.

jamalkandur wrote:

bondom34 wrote:

jamalkandur wrote:Alright folks, Let me put it this way; an average NBA team usually has four rotational big men plus one garbage time big and you have already six 6'10+ bigs; Adams, Kanter, Collison, Ilyasova, McGary, Sabonis. These are serviceable also guaranteed contract players, but lets say somehow you have decided it is not enough and wanted to add a seventh one! Would you rather diversify you talent pool and bring a defensive specialist athletic tough guy? a very mobile guy who can capable of switch and defending multiple positions? an athletic rim protector? a sharpshooter stretch big? OR Lauvergne? He can't defend, he can 't stretch the floor and you already have more than enough bigs to share limited minutes, so what is the goal of this trade? It seems like Presti doesn't believe very popular small ball and fast pace trend and tries to create big slow no shoot ball. You can bring only 12 players to an NBA game, if seven of them would be those dudes good luck with that!

So what you're saying is calling people unathletic wasn't at all relevant or correct. You were just throwing words together.

Ersan/Sabonis/Joffrey/Collison
Adams/Kanter

That's 6 bigs, Mitch will be gone, and Collison doesn't play. Ersan and Kanter can shoot, and apparently Joffrey has some range too. The goal of the trade was pretty likely "Goodbye Mitch".

Mitch can shoot, so he is better as a prospect and also he is on better longer term cheap rookie contract which included team option, everything aside why Thunder have to bother giving up two second round picks to replace a tier three player with another one, which not a better one? Lauvergne will be on the market next summer so if he would create a miracle and transform into a butterfly and killin it you can't even keep him with this salary cap situation(Kanter +Westbrook+oncoming Adams and Oladipo maxes) unless stupidly overpaid.

Mitch fat, stoned, lazy, and a whiner. How you get that he's better than Joffrey is beyond me, especially since Mitch never even played last year despite us needing a backup pf.

bondom34 wrote:

jamalkandur wrote:Mitch can shoot, so he is better as a prospect and also he is on better longer term cheap rookie contract which included team option, everything aside why Thunder have to bother giving up two second round picks to replace a tier three player with another one, which not a better one? Lauvergne will be on the market next summer so if he would create a miracle and transform into a butterfly and killin it you can't even keep him with this salary cap situation(Kanter +Westbrook+oncoming Adams and Oladipo maxes) unless stupidly overpaid.

Mitch can't stay on the court because he's either suspended for pot or injured. And no, he can't shoot.

And if they don't like Joffrey, his contract is a year shorter. Mitch literally can't get on the court, so if Joffrey can't and walks after a year, its less salary in the future. He's not getting paid much either way. But I'm assuming you're totally unfamiliar with McGary based off this convo.

I know McGary very well, he got a very promising fresh start in '14 summer after one year of injury setback but then he couldn't get much chance, then he had some troubles. Look, if i put it in a nutshell, i would say, If Thunder has traded those picks for Dwight Powell or Bobby Portis type player prospects i would applause this move, but this one is completely meaningless, trully a very bad move, IMO.

jamalkandur wrote:

bondom34 wrote:

jamalkandur wrote:Mitch can shoot, so he is better as a prospect and also he is on better longer term cheap rookie contract which included team option, everything aside why Thunder have to bother giving up two second round picks to replace a tier three player with another one, which not a better one? Lauvergne will be on the market next summer so if he would create a miracle and transform into a butterfly and killin it you can't even keep him with this salary cap situation(Kanter +Westbrook+oncoming Adams and Oladipo maxes) unless stupidly overpaid.

Mitch can't stay on the court because he's either suspended for pot or injured. And no, he can't shoot.

And if they don't like Joffrey, his contract is a year shorter. Mitch literally can't get on the court, so if Joffrey can't and walks after a year, its less salary in the future. He's not getting paid much either way. But I'm assuming you're totally unfamiliar with McGary based off this convo.

I know McGary very well, he got a very promising fresh start in '14 summer after one year of injury setback but then he couldn't get much chance, then he had some troubles. Look, if i put it in a nutshell, i would say, If Thunder has traded those picks for Dwight Powell or Bobby Portis type player prospects i would applause this move, but this one is completely meaningless, trully a very bad move, IMO.

So you also know he's been suspended for pot, was out of shape last year, and the team has totally soured on him. He hasn't played in 2 years and Joffrey was about as good as he was. I'm not sure what you could see in giving up 2 second round picks for a rotation big that makes this bad.

If they got bobby Portis for two seconds you'd applaud the move? Well no crap, maybe we could get anthony Davis for Kanter, KAT for Roberson, and kawhi for ersan/Mitch while were at it.