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Pillendreher wrote:Reggie about to get sacked. Let's trade for him and send him to the D-Leeague for the remainder of his contract.

Yeah he's had a rough start. A guard that good would be great to backup Russ.

PS starting a new thread, realized this was still 2015/16 .

Also its early, but Brooks may be doing something in Washington. Always said he was great w/ development. And as he arrives, Beal and Porter look to be making a bit of a jump.

http://www.sbnation.com/2016/12/21/14037664/demarcus-cousins-sacramento-kings-failed-history

That draft graphic...yikes. Imagining what Presti would have done with 10 lottery picks...

While our team is in big trouble, I'm having a little bit of fun reading all the bad stuffs against Reggie Jackson. Last year everyone was saying how dumb OKC was to trade him

He really thinks he's a top 5pg or something like that.

Dadouv47 wrote:While our team is in big trouble, I'm having a little bit of fun reading all the bad stuffs against Reggie Jackson. Last year everyone was saying how dumb OKC was to trade him

He really thinks he's a top 5pg or something like that.

We're in trouble now?

bondom34 wrote:

Dadouv47 wrote:While our team is in big trouble, I'm having a little bit of fun reading all the bad stuffs against Reggie Jackson. Last year everyone was saying how dumb OKC was to trade him

He really thinks he's a top 5pg or something like that.

We're in trouble now?

Nah we are great. We have everything to contend in the next 2 years.

Dadouv47 wrote:

bondom34 wrote:

Dadouv47 wrote:While our team is in big trouble, I'm having a little bit of fun reading all the bad stuffs against Reggie Jackson. Last year everyone was saying how dumb OKC was to trade him

He really thinks he's a top 5pg or something like that.

We're in trouble now?

Nah we are great. We have everything to contend in the next 2 years.

I mean, look at the roster's age and players. You think this is it?

bondom34 wrote:

Dadouv47 wrote:

bondom34 wrote:We're in trouble now?

Nah we are great. We have everything to contend in the next 2 years.

I mean, look at the roster's age and players. You think this is it?

I think we would be in a GREAT shape right now if Westbrook still had 24-25 years old. We don't know how many years he can still play at this level, but being a high energy guy I don't think he has more than 2 years (after this one) at his current level.
And I don't believe we have enough young pieces to develop fast enough to help to contend. Sabonis is a great rookie and a great talent but at best he could be very good in 2 years ( and I'm being VERY optimistic).
Sure, Adams can progress a bit. Oladipo can progress a lot ( at least I hope so), but is that enough to contend? Seriously?

We have an unique talent in Westbrook and we can't wait 5 years to have a legit team to compete, because the chances that he leaves before or that his level will be far from his prime are too high.

Just tell me what's your magical line up with our roster to be able to contend in 2 years.

Dadouv47 wrote:

bondom34 wrote:

Dadouv47 wrote:
Nah we are great. We have everything to contend in the next 2 years.

I mean, look at the roster's age and players. You think this is it?

I think we would be in a GREAT shape right now if Westbrook still had 24-25 years old. We don't know how many years he can still play at this level, but being a high energy guy I don't think he has more than 2 years (after this one) at his current level.
And I don't believe we have enough young pieces to develop fast enough to help to contend. Sabonis is a great rookie and a great talent but at best he could be very good in 2 years ( and I'm being VERY optimistic).
Sure, Adams can progress a bit. Oladipo can progress a lot ( at least I hope so), but is that enough to contend? Seriously?

We have an unique talent in Westbrook and we can't wait 5 years to have a legit team to compete, because the chances that he leaves before or that his level will be far from his prime are too high.

Just tell me what's your magical line up with our roster to be able to contend in 2 years.

See if a trade comes up. I mean, I could list the 25ish other teams I'd rather not be.

Or of course they could trade Russ and be the Magic for like 10 years. That's a great position.

bondom34 wrote:

Dadouv47 wrote:

bondom34 wrote:I mean, look at the roster's age and players. You think this is it?

I think we would be in a GREAT shape right now if Westbrook still had 24-25 years old. We don't know how many years he can still play at this level, but being a high energy guy I don't think he has more than 2 years (after this one) at his current level.
And I don't believe we have enough young pieces to develop fast enough to help to contend. Sabonis is a great rookie and a great talent but at best he could be very good in 2 years ( and I'm being VERY optimistic).
Sure, Adams can progress a bit. Oladipo can progress a lot ( at least I hope so), but is that enough to contend? Seriously?

We have an unique talent in Westbrook and we can't wait 5 years to have a legit team to compete, because the chances that he leaves before or that his level will be far from his prime are too high.

Just tell me what's your magical line up with our roster to be able to contend in 2 years.

See if a trade comes up. I mean, I could list the 25ish other teams I'd rather not be.

Or of course they could trade Russ and be the Magic for like 10 years. That's a great position.

Do you really believe that there are 25 teams t in a worse situation than ours? Good for you to believe that.

You know we don't attract free agents and depend on trades and developing. I prefer to keep Russ and gamble by trading our young assets for good players to give a shot to win with him, but for the long term it's going to be a disaster to be between the 4th and 7th seed every year until Russ leaves or doesn't play like he's playing right now. So we certainly have to make a decision. Mine would be to try everything to win with Russ, but I don't see how it's possible by keeping our youngs and hoping for magical trades.

Dadouv47 wrote:
Do you really believe that there are 25 teams t in a worse situation than ours? Good for you to believe that.

You know we don't attract free agents and depend on trades and developing. I prefer to keep Russ and gamble by trading our young assets for good players to give a shot to win with him, but for the long term it's going to be a disaster to be between the 4th and 7th seed every year until Russ leaves or doesn't play like he's playing right now. So we certainly have to make a decision. Mine would be to try everything to win with Russ, but I don't see how it's possible by keeping our youngs and hoping for magical trades.

Probably not 25. But easily 20.
I'd rather be OKC than:
ATL
Brooklyn
Charlotte
Chicago
Dallas
Denver
Detroit
Maybe Houston
Indiana
Lakers
Maybe Clippers
NOLA
Minnesota
MKE
Miami
New York
ORL
Philly
PHX
Portland
Sacramento
Washington

And I'd even debate Toronto and Utah because Utah will be having cap trouble in a year and Toronto's stuck until Lebron retires. So that's 20-24 teams at least.

The other option? Trade Russ. Draft high for 5 years and maybe make the playoffs by the time Adams hits his prime. If they're lucky. Currently this roster is 2nd youngest in the NBA.

bondom34 wrote:

Dadouv47 wrote:
Do you really believe that there are 25 teams t in a worse situation than ours? Good for you to believe that.

You know we don't attract free agents and depend on trades and developing. I prefer to keep Russ and gamble by trading our young assets for good players to give a shot to win with him, but for the long term it's going to be a disaster to be between the 4th and 7th seed every year until Russ leaves or doesn't play like he's playing right now. So we certainly have to make a decision. Mine would be to try everything to win with Russ, but I don't see how it's possible by keeping our youngs and hoping for magical trades.

Probably not 25. But easily 20.
I'd rather be OKC than:
ATL
Brooklyn
Charlotte
Chicago
Dallas
Denver
Detroit
Maybe Houston
Indiana
Lakers
Maybe Clippers
NOLA
Minnesota
MKE
Miami
New York
ORL
Philly
PHX
Portland
Sacramento
Washington

And I'd even debate Toronto and Utah because Utah will be having cap trouble in a year and Toronto's stuck until Lebron retires. So that's 20-24 teams at least.

The other option? Trade Russ. Draft high for 5 years and maybe make the playoffs by the time Adams hits his prime. If they're lucky. Currently this roster is 2nd youngest in the NBA.

I'd add Toronto and Utah. Toronto is never gonna amount to anything and would probably get massacred against any upper tier WC team. Utah because they lack starpower. Talk about Gobert all you want, but that team solely consists of 4th options.

I'd probably take out Minny tho. Too much raw talent for them to be bad for years to come.

Pillendreher wrote:

bondom34 wrote:

Dadouv47 wrote:
Do you really believe that there are 25 teams t in a worse situation than ours? Good for you to believe that.

You know we don't attract free agents and depend on trades and developing. I prefer to keep Russ and gamble by trading our young assets for good players to give a shot to win with him, but for the long term it's going to be a disaster to be between the 4th and 7th seed every year until Russ leaves or doesn't play like he's playing right now. So we certainly have to make a decision. Mine would be to try everything to win with Russ, but I don't see how it's possible by keeping our youngs and hoping for magical trades.

Probably not 25. But easily 20.
I'd rather be OKC than:
ATL
Brooklyn
Charlotte
Chicago
Dallas
Denver
Detroit
Maybe Houston
Indiana
Lakers
Maybe Clippers
NOLA
Minnesota
MKE
Miami
New York
ORL
Philly
PHX
Portland
Sacramento
Washington

And I'd even debate Toronto and Utah because Utah will be having cap trouble in a year and Toronto's stuck until Lebron retires. So that's 20-24 teams at least.

The other option? Trade Russ. Draft high for 5 years and maybe make the playoffs by the time Adams hits his prime. If they're lucky. Currently this roster is 2nd youngest in the NBA.

I'd add Toronto and Utah. Toronto is never gonna amount to anything and would probably get massacred against any upper tier WC team. Utah because they lack starpower. Talk about Gobert all you want, but that team solely consists of 4th options.

I'd probably take out Minny tho. Too much raw talent for them to be bad for years to come.

Fair. I need to see them actually not be bad for a year. I mean, you think OKC is rough? Try being a Wolves fan the last 15 years, because there's life without Russ for anyone who wants to tank.

Pillendreher wrote:

bondom34 wrote:

Dadouv47 wrote:
Do you really believe that there are 25 teams t in a worse situation than ours? Good for you to believe that.

You know we don't attract free agents and depend on trades and developing. I prefer to keep Russ and gamble by trading our young assets for good players to give a shot to win with him, but for the long term it's going to be a disaster to be between the 4th and 7th seed every year until Russ leaves or doesn't play like he's playing right now. So we certainly have to make a decision. Mine would be to try everything to win with Russ, but I don't see how it's possible by keeping our youngs and hoping for magical trades.

Probably not 25. But easily 20.
I'd rather be OKC than:
ATL
Brooklyn
Charlotte
Chicago
Dallas
Denver
Detroit
Maybe Houston
Indiana
Lakers
Maybe Clippers
NOLA
Minnesota
MKE
Miami
New York
ORL
Philly
PHX
Portland
Sacramento
Washington

And I'd even debate Toronto and Utah because Utah will be having cap trouble in a year and Toronto's stuck until Lebron retires. So that's 20-24 teams at least.

The other option? Trade Russ. Draft high for 5 years and maybe make the playoffs by the time Adams hits his prime. If they're lucky. Currently this roster is 2nd youngest in the NBA.

I'd add Toronto and Utah. Toronto is never gonna amount to anything and would probably get massacred against any upper tier WC team. Utah because they lack starpower. Talk about Gobert all you want, but that team solely consists of 4th options.

I'd probably take out Minny tho. Too much raw talent for them to be bad for years to come.

Clippers? lol
Lakers sure but they can atract a lot of freeagents, so not so sure.
Philly in 5 years ? not sure about that.
Miami? Can attract a lot of players as well.
Chicago is in a way better situation for the future ( not for the next 2 years)
Minny are in a way better situation. Don't know how you can compare both.
The pacers are not in such a bad situation, but it's up to you to consider we are so great.

Dadouv47 wrote:
Clippers? lol
Lakers sure but they can atract a lot of freeagents, so not so sure.
Philly in 5 years ? not sure about that.
Miami? Can attract a lot of players as well.
Chicago is in a way better situation for the future ( not for the next 2 years)
Minny are in a way better situation. Don't know how you can compare both.
The pacers are not in such a bad situation, but it's up to you to consider we are so great.

Griffin and Paul are both free agents this year.

Lakers just used all their cap space on Deng and Mozgov.

Miami just signed Dion because they couldn't get anyone.

How is Chicago better off? They're old and worse.

Minny is awful. Philly has 18 centers.

And the Pacers are worse, older and their best player isnt' as good as Russ.

I don't see any of those outside Minny as even close.

bondom34 wrote:

Dadouv47 wrote:
Clippers? lol
Lakers sure but they can atract a lot of freeagents, so not so sure.
Philly in 5 years ? not sure about that.
Miami? Can attract a lot of players as well.
Chicago is in a way better situation for the future ( not for the next 2 years)
Minny are in a way better situation. Don't know how you can compare both.
The pacers are not in such a bad situation, but it's up to you to consider we are so great.

Griffin and Paul are both free agents this year.

Lakers just used all their cap space on Deng and Mozgov.

Miami just signed Dion because they couldn't get anyone.

How is Chicago better off? They're old and worse.

Minny is awful. Philly has 18 centers.

And the Pacers are worse, older and their best player isnt' as good as Russ.

I don't see any of those outside Minny as even close.

You are mostly talking about 2-3 years situation, not long term situation. And the decision we will make those next years will define our next 10 years. I was mostly talking about our situation for the next 5-10 years.
Chicago has a lot more room for the future. They have only two long term contracts ( one being Jimmy Butler) and they attract a lot of free agents. Thinking we have a better long term situation than the bulls is crazy. Of course we are better than they are right now, but if we keep being a 4th-7th seed we will not be able to develop young good picks and we will lose our superstar.

We already know we can't sign good free agents ( or overpaying them). And most of those teams can attract a lot of players.

And I'm not saying we should blow this team up and develop all over again, but that we should trade our young talents to have a chance to win with Westbrook. If you think we can do it by developing youngs at the same time, that's great. We will see.

Dadouv47 wrote:

Pillendreher wrote:

bondom34 wrote:Probably not 25. But easily 20.
I'd rather be OKC than:
ATL
Brooklyn
Charlotte
Chicago
Dallas
Denver
Detroit
Maybe Houston
Indiana
Lakers
Maybe Clippers
NOLA
Minnesota
MKE
Miami
New York
ORL
Philly
PHX
Portland
Sacramento
Washington

And I'd even debate Toronto and Utah because Utah will be having cap trouble in a year and Toronto's stuck until Lebron retires. So that's 20-24 teams at least.

The other option? Trade Russ. Draft high for 5 years and maybe make the playoffs by the time Adams hits his prime. If they're lucky. Currently this roster is 2nd youngest in the NBA.

I'd add Toronto and Utah. Toronto is never gonna amount to anything and would probably get massacred against any upper tier WC team. Utah because they lack starpower. Talk about Gobert all you want, but that team solely consists of 4th options.

I'd probably take out Minny tho. Too much raw talent for them to be bad for years to come.

Clippers? lol
Lakers sure but they can atract a lot of freeagents, so not so sure.
Philly in 5 years ? not sure about that.
Miami? Can attract a lot of players as well.
Chicago is in a way better situation for the future ( not for the next 2 years)
Minny are in a way better situation. Don't know how you can compare both.
The pacers are not in such a bad situation, but it's up to you to consider we are so great.

As others have said, OKC isn't in that bad of a spot when you consider that some teams are at dead ends with no upside (Memphis for example) or don't have the firepower to compete with the truly elite teams, but have a lot of money invested now or soon will (Portland, Utah). I don't know for certain that Minny is in such a great situation. Sure Towns is great, but Wiggins/Lavine are one dimensional for the most part, and none of the three can play defense. Kris Dunn had a lot of hype coming out of the draft, but he looks like he might just be a good defensive point guard that can't shoot very well. Thibs is also getting impatient with them and you cant rule out a trade to bring in a vet at some point. Pacers are in a rough spot because Paul George will be a free agent after next season and Indy is struggling to make the playoffs in the East. Chicago is just screwed.... If you look at that team, something is VERY wrong. Wade is old, Rondo is trash/ volatile (take your pick). Jimmy is far and away the best player and I don't know if he is a #1 option on a contender. Chicago fans are starting to turn on Hoiberg. I'm not impressed with their young players except Valentine/ McDermott. MCW is ....not very good. Milwaukee is the team in the East that has the most current upside in my opinion just because a core of Jabari and Giannis has great potential if you surround them with talent. Philly could be really good, but it depends on who they draft this year and if Simmons is as good as they hope he is.

Miami need to draft a franchise player b/c Whiteside is most definitely not it.
Lakers I don't think any of those guys are franchise guys except maybe Ingram but he needs a few years to marinate. D'Angelo and Randle could be good supporting pieces though.

IMO (Not the word of God or anything) Lots of teams in the league suffer from the same problem. They have no superstar player and need to get one to get to the next level.
Since its a short list here are the teams that I think have a guy that you can say is a superstar/ franchise guy

Portland(Dame)--OKC(Russ)--Chicago(Jimmy)--Indiana(George)--Golden State(they have two)--Cleveland(they have two)--Clippers(Have two)--San Antonio(Kawhi)--New York(Depends on what you think of Porzingis)--Sacramento(Boogie)--Minnesota(Towns)--NO(AD)--Milwaukee(Giannis)--Houston(Beard) Honorable Mention Philly-(Embiid)

Some of those are arguable, but every other team wants at least one guy and any playoff team that doesn't have one is fools gold I'm afraid.

So you don't trade Russ unless he walks up to Presti and says "TRADE ME OR I'M LEAVING IN FREE AGENCY"

I never said we are the team with most trouble ( far from that). I just think we are pretty average in perspectives for the future, and that I think we need to take all the chances we can to perform right now with such a superstar in his prime (and I know it's impossible for this year, I'm mostly talking about the next 2 years after this one).

Dadouv47 wrote:
You are mostly talking about 2-3 years situation, not long term situation. And the decision we will make those next years will define our next 10 years. I was mostly talking about our situation for the next 5-10 years.
Chicago has a lot more room for the future. They have only two long term contracts ( one being Jimmy Butler) and they attract a lot of free agents. Thinking we have a better long term situation than the bulls is crazy. Of course we are better than they are right now, but if we keep being a 4th-7th seed we will not be able to develop young good picks and we will lose our superstar.

We already know we can't sign good free agents ( or overpaying them). And most of those teams can attract a lot of players.

And I'm not saying we should blow this team up and develop all over again, but that we should trade our young talents to have a chance to win with Westbrook. If you think we can do it by developing youngs at the same time, that's great. We will see.

Chicago hasn't attracted a good free agent in forever. Who was the last actual good free agent they got? Because a washed up Wade and Rondo's bad. And why would OKC lose Russ? Has he said he wants to leave? Because the new CBA is helping him stay most ikely and per Woj he seems more likely than Harden to stick around than Harden in Houston. YOu named a bunch of teams with worse long term outlook than OKC. I mean Chicago's really not close.

The Huestis/Katz feud is my favorite subplot this season