Re: It's Time: Grade the Trade
Posted: Wed Mar 1, 2017 1:08 pm
Great move for the thunder
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NuggetsWY wrote:It sure seems like a great trade for OKC. You've added a couple of players that will fit right in alongside your starters. Then again, your GM has a knack for finding some good pieces IMO. Gibson a solid, known player and Mr. McBuckets is a decent shooting, great scoring player who plays defense with his head
Pillendreher wrote:DMD has already turned into Kyle Singler.
spearsy23 wrote:Can we talk about how bad Taj has been too? In 3 fewer mpg he's averaging 3.5 fewer points, 3 fewer rebounds, and shooting 8% worse than with the bulls. -5.3 BPM.
bondom34 wrote:spearsy23 wrote:Can we talk about how bad Taj has been too? In 3 fewer mpg he's averaging 3.5 fewer points, 3 fewer rebounds, and shooting 8% worse than with the bulls. -5.3 BPM.
He's shooting more midrange shots, where he's not good, and its probably not helping his rebounding being out there. TBH I'm more pissed McD gets 35 mpg while Taj sits and doesn't start.
spearsy23 wrote:bondom34 wrote:spearsy23 wrote:Can we talk about how bad Taj has been too? In 3 fewer mpg he's averaging 3.5 fewer points, 3 fewer rebounds, and shooting 8% worse than with the bulls. -5.3 BPM.
He's shooting more midrange shots, where he's not good, and its probably not helping his rebounding being out there. TBH I'm more pissed McD gets 35 mpg while Taj sits and doesn't start.
I mean it's just becoming more and more clear that we don't put players in positions to succeed. Every player we've acquired from another team in the last couple of years has gone to **** playing for us except Kanter. Augustin, Singler, Grant, Foye, dion, Mcdermott, Taj, even oladipo has regressed. Granted half of them were crap players in their old teams too, but they all at least filled legitimate NBA roles.
spearsy23 wrote:Can we talk about how bad Taj has been too? In 3 fewer mpg he's averaging 3.5 fewer points, 3 fewer rebounds, and shooting 8% worse than with the bulls. -5.3 BPM.
spearsy23 wrote:bondom34 wrote:spearsy23 wrote:Can we talk about how bad Taj has been too? In 3 fewer mpg he's averaging 3.5 fewer points, 3 fewer rebounds, and shooting 8% worse than with the bulls. -5.3 BPM.
He's shooting more midrange shots, where he's not good, and its probably not helping his rebounding being out there. TBH I'm more pissed McD gets 35 mpg while Taj sits and doesn't start.
I mean it's just becoming more and more clear that we don't put players in positions to succeed. Every player we've acquired from another team in the last couple of years has gone to **** playing for us except Kanter. Augustin, Singler, Grant, Foye, dion, Mcdermott, Taj, even oladipo has regressed. Granted half of them were crap players in their old teams too, but they all at least filled legitimate NBA roles.
Pillendreher wrote:spearsy23 wrote:bondom34 wrote:He's shooting more midrange shots, where he's not good, and its probably not helping his rebounding being out there. TBH I'm more pissed McD gets 35 mpg while Taj sits and doesn't start.
I mean it's just becoming more and more clear that we don't put players in positions to succeed. Every player we've acquired from another team in the last couple of years has gone to **** playing for us except Kanter. Augustin, Singler, Grant, Foye, dion, Mcdermott, Taj, even oladipo has regressed. Granted half of them were crap players in their old teams too, but they all at least filled legitimate NBA roles.
At this point it's safe to assume it has be Billy (at least to some extent), right?
spearsy23 wrote:Imo our overall problems are Billy to a large extent because I think his schemes are ineffective and/or outdated. I've always believed that defense starts with protecting the paint, even as the NBA moves to 3 point shooting the most effective way to generate a three is by driving and kicking. We're next to last in the league in points allowed in the paint, that shows that even If teams weren't shooting a good percentage they're getting into the paint at a high rate, and we're 5th best n transition points allowed so that means they're getting into the paint in the half court.
oppFGA in the paint: 2nd most
oppFG% in the paint: 8th best
oppFGM in the paint: 4th most
oppFGA in the restricted area (non-paint): 9th most
oppFG% in the restricted area (non-paint): 21st best
oppFGM in the restricted area (non-paint): 5th most
oppFGA from midrange: 24th most
oppFG% from midrange: 6th best
oppFGM from midrange: 25th most
oppFGA from 3: 26th most
oppFG% from 3: 11th best
oppFGM from 3: 27th most
oppFGA from 3 (corner): 22nd most
oppFG% from 3 (corner): 14th best
oppFGM from 3 (corner): 22nd most
spearsy23 wrote:Offensively there just isn't a scheme at all. It's Russ dive into the paint or Kanter post up. Russ dive into the paint is very effective but having a superstar be effective isn't exactly great coaching. That said, there are clearly some major constraints he's working with, but he continues parking Robes at the three point line where he's least effective instead of moving him around the court and utilizing him as a screener and cutter (same with Grant, who never catches the ball less than twenty feet from the basket even though he trips every time he moves his feet). Domas has become practically worthless, part of that is just hitting the rookie wall, but when's the last time we actually ran action with the intent of getting him a good shot? I don't even remember any pick and rolls with him in the last month. Really you can go down the roster and the only guys I wouldn't complain about how they're being used are Russ, Steven, and Alex. I think he's married to what worked in college even though we don't have the personnel to make it work.
GimmeDat wrote:I'm not sure why Taj is playing worse for you guys, may be just a slow time adjusting - he'd be in Chicago his whole career up to this point. He's a decent mid-range shooter, very good during stretches of the season that he's 'on', but his bread and butter is in the post and as a finisher.
Doug, well, I expect more out of him as well. He's had a trash season but he's shown he can be better than he has been. I'd give both of them some time.
From our end, we're not too encouraged by what we've seen from Payne so far. What elements of his game made you guys like him?
bondom34 wrote:GimmeDat wrote:I'm not sure why Taj is playing worse for you guys, may be just a slow time adjusting - he'd be in Chicago his whole career up to this point. He's a decent mid-range shooter, very good during stretches of the season that he's 'on', but his bread and butter is in the post and as a finisher.
Doug, well, I expect more out of him as well. He's had a trash season but he's shown he can be better than he has been. I'd give both of them some time.
From our end, we're not too encouraged by what we've seen from Payne so far. What elements of his game made you guys like him?
He's shown games when his shot is on and passing looks really on point. I really think the injury got him way out of rhythm as last season when he played the bench just ran 100 times smoother. It got post all star break when coaches just tend to sit rookies for no great reason and he was benched, then injured. Nobody knows why Randy Foye played, Payne was way better, but he showed enough for me running the offense last year I had pretty high hopes.
Oh and the floater is nice at times as well.
GimmeDat wrote:bondom34 wrote:GimmeDat wrote:I'm not sure why Taj is playing worse for you guys, may be just a slow time adjusting - he'd be in Chicago his whole career up to this point. He's a decent mid-range shooter, very good during stretches of the season that he's 'on', but his bread and butter is in the post and as a finisher.
Doug, well, I expect more out of him as well. He's had a trash season but he's shown he can be better than he has been. I'd give both of them some time.
From our end, we're not too encouraged by what we've seen from Payne so far. What elements of his game made you guys like him?
He's shown games when his shot is on and passing looks really on point. I really think the injury got him way out of rhythm as last season when he played the bench just ran 100 times smoother. It got post all star break when coaches just tend to sit rookies for no great reason and he was benched, then injured. Nobody knows why Randy Foye played, Payne was way better, but he showed enough for me running the offense last year I had pretty high hopes.
Oh and the floater is nice at times as well.
I hope so. I think he'll prove to be a better shooter than his %'s suggest, he was obviously a good shooter in college. It's been tough for him to show much of a 'PG' game because he's been easing in to the team, plus often coupled with Rondo or one of Wade/Butler in his lineups.
I think the main concern a lot of Bulls fan have is his frame and inability to score inside. Seems a bit physically out of his league and has to settle for tough shots.