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I keep reading articles that speculate the starting 5 next year including Patterson and Roberson and that's just asinine. Patterson's last 2 years were among his worst in the NBA and he averages around 7 points per 25 minutes and he shot around 41%. They keep talking about his 3 point percentage but he averages making one every 25 minutes so frankly it's irrelevant. Roberson as we all know is the worst offensive wing player in history and averages about 7 points per 32 minutes. How in the world do they expect to compete with teams like the Rockets and Warriors who both average around 115 points per game starting these two? You throw Grant into the equation who had his worst year as a pro and only scores about 6 points per 25 minutes and you have 3 guys playing big minutes in the normal rotations that just suck on offense and they'll kill you against those elite teams. I have no idea whatsoever why anybody is high on Patterson or Grant. They're both decent bench players who can play a role for limited minutes but nothing more than that. The Paul George acquisition was great and I think Felton will do an excellent job but this team has absolutely no chance of competing with the elite teams starting those two.

OK, you are right, as always.

please end this thread now.

Patterson is fine, probably best suited coming off the bench but you could do worse at PF (sabonis last year, for example). He should get good looks with okc, as long as the Roberson effect doesn't hurt him too much, which it shouldn't with pg in the mix.

Also, why so low on Grant? He played with d league talent in Philly on a team not even trying to compete. Last year was his first time on a true pro team and he showed plenty of flashes. He's young too. He needs to take a leap this year, think he's as likely as any on the roster to do it.

Low on Grant because he sucks. Being young doesn't mean anything if all you can do well is dunk.

But give it a rest OP.

bondom34 wrote:Low on Grant because he sucks. Being young doesn't mean anything if all you can do well is dunk.

But give it a rest OP.

Yea he will hafta develop a better jumper, I think he can. No reason he won't get better defensively with experience.

Been in the league 3 years and still awful defensively. Not holding my breath there.

bondom34 wrote:Been in the league 3 years and still awful defensively. Not holding my breath there.

Yea, 2 were on Philly teams that not even trying to be competitive. Guys on those teams were probably out for their numbers, and can't blame them. They were playing in blowouts regularly, hard to count those years as much. He has the physical tools, and plays confidently on offense. Better chance of him becoming good defensively than Roberson developing offensive confidence at this point.

sleestak won't rest till our starting lineup is all All-Stars. I salute you, sir.

hardenASG13 wrote:

bondom34 wrote:Been in the league 3 years and still awful defensively. Not holding my breath there.

Yea, 2 were on Philly teams that not even trying to be competitive. Guys on those teams were probably out for their numbers, and can't blame them. They were playing in blowouts regularly, hard to count those years as much. He has the physical tools, and plays confidently on offense. Better chance of him becoming good defensively than Roberson developing offensive confidence at this point.

Its almost like Philly doesn't have players who are good defensively (wait they do) and he individually sucks at it. PJIII had physical tools too, he just stunk. There's a better shot Roberson turns into KD than him being a good player.

bondom34 wrote:

hardenASG13 wrote:

bondom34 wrote:Been in the league 3 years and still awful defensively. Not holding my breath there.

Yea, 2 were on Philly teams that not even trying to be competitive. Guys on those teams were probably out for their numbers, and can't blame them. They were playing in blowouts regularly, hard to count those years as much. He has the physical tools, and plays confidently on offense. Better chance of him becoming good defensively than Roberson developing offensive confidence at this point.

Its almost like Philly doesn't have players who are good defensively (wait they do) and he individually sucks at it. PJIII had physical tools too, he just stunk. There's a better shot Roberson turns into KD than him being a good player.

You don't learn how to play defense on a developing team during blowouts.....blowouts aren't the same as regular competitive games.....cmon man. Guys got a good shot to get better.

hardenASG13 wrote:

bondom34 wrote:

hardenASG13 wrote:
Yea, 2 were on Philly teams that not even trying to be competitive. Guys on those teams were probably out for their numbers, and can't blame them. They were playing in blowouts regularly, hard to count those years as much. He has the physical tools, and plays confidently on offense. Better chance of him becoming good defensively than Roberson developing offensive confidence at this point.

Its almost like Philly doesn't have players who are good defensively (wait they do) and he individually sucks at it. PJIII had physical tools too, he just stunk. There's a better shot Roberson turns into KD than him being a good player.

You don't learn how to play defense on a developing team during blowouts.....blowouts aren't the same as regular competitive games.....cmon man. Guys got a good shot to get better.

Based on exactly nothing. From a team where Nerlens Noel, Covington, and Embiid all played excellent defense in said blowouts.

bondom34 wrote:

hardenASG13 wrote:

bondom34 wrote:

Its almost like Philly doesn't have players who are good defensively (wait they do) and he individually sucks at it. PJIII had physical tools too, he just stunk. There's a better shot Roberson turns into KD than him being a good player.

You don't learn how to play defense on a developing team during blowouts.....blowouts aren't the same as regular competitive games.....cmon man. Guys got a good shot to get better.

Based on exactly nothing. From a team where Nerlens Noel, Covington, and Embiid all played excellent defense in said blowouts.

Ha if you say so. He's not as impactful as those 3, obviously, but it's not to say he's hopeless....be optimistic about a prospect other than cam payne for once, grant could become solid, the team needs him to, I for one have hope that he can/will.

Sure, be optimistic about the guy who hasn't shown improvement, not the one who has.

I'm optimistic about Abrines, Roberson, Adams, and was about Oladipo/Sabonis. Because all have shown ability to do things that actually help.

bondom34 wrote:Sure, be optimistic about the guy who hasn't shown improvement, not the one who has.

I'm optimistic about Abrines, Roberson, Adams, and was about Oladipo/Sabonis. Because all have shown ability to do things that actually help.

Again, he came from a (purposely) losing culture in Philly, to a winning one in OKC. Gotta give him a little time before giving up on him, certainly a big year for him. Not thinking a guy who is extremely raw has potential is pretty pessimistic. There is reason for optimism, he is confident and an above average NBA athlete. Hopefully he can put it together now with an offseason with okc.

Sure, and the good players in Philly are still good. PJIII had potential too. There's absolutely nothing showing he's going to be good other than blind optimism. On the other hand, Philly has a bunch of actually good players and OKC does too, but we seem to think they suck.

bondom34 wrote:Sure, and the good players in Philly are still good. PJIII had potential too. There's absolutely nothing showing he's going to be good other than blind optimism. On the other hand, Philly has a bunch of actually good players and OKC does too, but we seem to think they suck.

Optimism in guys improving is part of the enjoyment of being a fan of a team. Pj3 did have potential, it didn't materialize unfortunately. He was also soft as hell and didn't have the same motor as grant. I'm hopeful that he can contribute and excited about the possibility that he will become a sorely needed bench piece for this team.

Optimism is great, which is why I like Roberson so much.

bondom34 wrote:Optimism is great, which is why I like Roberson so much.

Yeah, I lost mine in him long ago. Seems he has too, judging by how hesitant he is to shoot or get to the line.

lol, yep. Lost faith in the good ones.

bondom34 wrote:lol, yep. Lost faith in the good ones.

No, just roberson