hardenASG13 wrote:Still can't believe you don't think data can be invalid.
you don't understand. unless there's some kind of computational error, data is just data. it is what it is. people interpret data to extract meaning, to support or challenge observations.
lineup data doesn't care whether you think it's invalid. it is what it is. andre roberson starters being vastly superior to dion waiters starters isn't invalid. RPM isn't invalid. you choose to summarily dismiss data like this because it does not support your observations. for me this is a lot like dismissing the final score of a game because you don't believe we lost. it's a lame cop out.
instead, find other data that supports your position. instead of dismissing it all, which is a discussion ender. why were the andre roberson starters superior to the dion waiters starters? and can you show any evidence for this reason being the case?
hardenASG13 wrote:You have tried to argue with data that Roberson takes more contested looks than other guys! Could it be there a flaw in the operational definition of what qualifies as open, and that the formulas and collection methods, though likely the best available for a stat like that can be flawed.
this is also why i provided video clips. stats.nba.com has clips of everything that is charted. you could easily debunk this if you cared to take the time. i'm guessing you won't.
hardenASG13 wrote:The variables matter, you have to be able to analyze data, and determine its validity/reliability before making definitive claims with it. This notion appears lost on you and others, and is quite comical.
wrong. it's incumbent on
you to do this. here's an example.
my observation last year was that russell westbrook securing / chasing drb did not really help the offense. this wasn't really supported any data that was readily available. so i charted russell westbrook's defensive rebounds last season to measure how him chasing DRB affected the pace and efficiency of the offense. literally watched every defensive rebound and subsequent offensive possession in order to figure out what was going on there because publicly available data on this was insufficient. my findings ended up supporting my observation. this could easily be you in this debate. it takes time and effort. don't whine to me about people using numbers blindly.
hardenASG13 wrote:To answer your question re: do I think Westbrook is a ballhog? No, him attacking is often the best option for the team, particularly last year. Early in his career? Yea he was, there were better options.
he had a 40%+ usage. first person ever to do that. yes, he is a ball hog.
hardenASG13 wrote:Now? It's a lazy narrative like saying Carmelo Anthony can't defend.