I’m really surprised Russ’ fg percentage isn’t much more than normal. It feels like he’s shot significantly worse this year. Maybe it’s because he was given more of a pass last year.
Knrstz wrote:George and Adams were great. Russ is a disaster on offense.
There needs to be some Grey area here. Russ was horrible shooting and took some awful shots. He also had 14 assists and Adams isn't the threat he is without Russ's interior passing.
I don't think it's a coincidence that Melo only takes 7 shots and we have one of our best offensive games.
Knrstz wrote:I’m really surprised Russ’ fg percentage isn’t much more than normal. It feels like he’s shot significantly worse this year. Maybe it’s because he was given more of a pass last year.
True shooting is 5% lower. There was no need for a 'pass' last year. Don't try to rewrite what happened.
Knrstz wrote:George and Adams were great. Russ is a disaster on offense.
There needs to be some Grey area here. Russ was horrible shooting and took some awful shots. He also had 14 assists and Adams isn't the threat he is without Russ's interior passing.
I don't think it's a coincidence that Melo only takes 7 shots and we have one of our best offensive games.
Russ had one assist to Adams and George had 6 assists to Adams. Russ did a nice job of passing to George on the wing for assists but besides the PnR, russ always seems to get careless turnovers when he tries to force the ball inside. George’s 9 assist with two turnovers seemed to have a greater impact than Westbrook’s 14 assists with seven turnovers. Russ’ turnovers always seem to come in bunches which maybe feel more impactful.
Knrstz wrote:George and Adams were great. Russ is a disaster on offense.
There needs to be some Grey area here. Russ was horrible shooting and took some awful shots. He also had 14 assists and Adams isn't the threat he is without Russ's interior passing.
I don't think it's a coincidence that Melo only takes 7 shots and we have one of our best offensive games.
Russ had one assist to Adams and George had 6 assists to Adams. Russ did a nice job of passing to George on the wing for assists but besides the PnR, russ always seems to get careless turnovers when he tries to force the ball inside. George’s 9 assist with two turnovers seemed to have a greater impact than Westbrook’s 14 assists with seven turnovers. Russ’ turnovers always seem to come in bunches which maybe feel more impactful.
If you're arguing that George was better than Russ then that's pretty obvious but not really the point.
spearsy23 wrote:There needs to be some Grey area here. Russ was horrible shooting and took some awful shots. He also had 14 assists and Adams isn't the threat he is without Russ's interior passing.
I don't think it's a coincidence that Melo only takes 7 shots and we have one of our best offensive games.
Russ had one assist to Adams and George had 6 assists to Adams. Russ did a nice job of passing to George on the wing for assists but besides the PnR, russ always seems to get careless turnovers when he tries to force the ball inside. George’s 9 assist with two turnovers seemed to have a greater impact than Westbrook’s 14 assists with seven turnovers. Russ’ turnovers always seem to come in bunches which maybe feel more impactful.
If you're arguing that George was better than Russ then that's pretty obvious but not really the point.
You said Adams isn’t a threat without russ’ interior passing. I said he was a threat without it tonight because George did a better job. Russ didn’t feed Adams. George did and he did somuch more efficiently.
George is a great guy to have on the wing and Adams is a great big man to have inside. Even with 14 assists, when Russ shoots 6-21 he isn’t doing anything that many other point guards in the league couldn’t replicate or surpass. He’s shooting his worst fg% since his rookie year despite having enough help on the wings that should prove him better spacing to work with than last year. Hes got to be better and there’s no excuse not to be.
Knrstz wrote:Russ had one assist to Adams and George had 6 assists to Adams. Russ did a nice job of passing to George on the wing for assists but besides the PnR, russ always seems to get careless turnovers when he tries to force the ball inside. George’s 9 assist with two turnovers seemed to have a greater impact than Westbrook’s 14 assists with seven turnovers. Russ’ turnovers always seem to come in bunches which maybe feel more impactful.
If you're arguing that George was better than Russ then that's pretty obvious but not really the point.
You said Adams isn’t a threat without russ’ interior passing. I said he was a threat without it tonight because George did a better job. Russ didn’t feed Adams. George did and he did somuch more efficiently.
No, I said Adams isn't the threat that he is without Russ. A single game not withstanding the majority of Steven's opportunities are created by Russ.
George is a great guy to have on the wing and Adams is a great big man to have inside. Even with 14 assists, when Russ shoots 6-21 he isn’t doing anything that many other point guards in the league couldn’t replicate or surpass. He’s shooting his worst fg% since his rookie year despite having enough help on the wings that should prove him better spacing to work with than last year. Hes got to be better and there’s no excuse not to be.
There have only been 6 guards in the league with 14 assists in a game this year. Acting like many guys could replicate that impact is stupid especially when you add 9 rebounds (hint: only 1 guy has done that all year). Russ is 4th among point guards in RPM despite shooting like crap all year. People need to understand that even as bad Russ he's still pretty damn good.
spearsy23 wrote:Adams isn't the threat he is without Russ's interior passing.
Knrstz wrote:You said Adams isn’t a threat without russ’ interior passing.
spearsy23 wrote:No, I said Adams isn't the threat that he is without Russ.
I just quoted you almost verbatim and you are disagreeing? You’re being ridiculous and just looking for an argument.
No Russ hasn’t been “pretty damn good” despite his poor shooting. Defense is a thing too and when you frequently leave your man early and get rebounds, then your if your team wins it’s in spite of you and not because of you. “You people” need to understand that and quit being fanboys.
Knrstz wrote:George and Adams were great. Russ is a disaster on offense.
There needs to be some Grey area here. Russ was horrible shooting and took some awful shots. He also had 14 assists and Adams isn't the threat he is without Russ's interior passing.
I don't think it's a coincidence that Melo only takes 7 shots and we have one of our best offensive games.
They had a great offensive game in their last win and Melo took 17 shots.
Knrstz wrote:Russ had one assist to Adams and George had 6 assists to Adams. Russ did a nice job of passing to George on the wing for assists but besides the PnR, russ always seems to get careless turnovers when he tries to force the ball inside. George’s 9 assist with two turnovers seemed to have a greater impact than Westbrook’s 14 assists with seven turnovers. Russ’ turnovers always seem to come in bunches which maybe feel more impactful.
If you're arguing that George was better than Russ then that's pretty obvious but not really the point.
You said Adams isn’t a threat without russ’ interior passing. I said he was a threat without it tonight because George did a better job. Russ didn’t feed Adams. George did and he did somuch more efficiently.
George is a great guy to have on the wing and Adams is a great big man to have inside. Even with 14 assists, when Russ shoots 6-21 he isn’t doing anything that many other point guards in the league couldn’t replicate or surpass. He’s shooting his worst fg% since his rookie year despite having enough help on the wings that should prove him better spacing to work with than last year. Hes got to be better and there’s no excuse not to be.
It's not even a debate. Westbrook's play is tough to defend. Great that he can get assists tonight when she guys make shots. 6 of 21 shooting and 7 tos... With plenty of those 21 shots having the same affect of a live ball turnover.
Knrstz wrote: You said Adams isn’t a threat without russ’ interior passing. I said he was a threat without it tonight because George did a better job. Russ didn’t feed Adams. George did and he did somuch more efficiently.
No, I said Adams isn't the threat that he is without Russ. A single game not withstanding the majority of Steven's opportunities are created by Russ.
George is a great guy to have on the wing and Adams is a great big man to have inside. Even with 14 assists, when Russ shoots 6-21 he isn’t doing anything that many other point guards in the league couldn’t replicate or surpass. He’s shooting his worst fg% since his rookie year despite having enough help on the wings that should prove him better spacing to work with than last year. Hes got to be better and there’s no excuse not to be.
There have only been 6 guards in the league with 14 assists in a game this year. Acting like many guys could replicate that impact is stupid especially when you add 9 rebounds (hint: only 1 guy has done that all year). Russ is 4th among point guards in RPM despite shooting like crap all year. People need to understand that even as bad Russ he's still pretty damn good.
I just quoted your verbatim and you denied it. You’re absolutely ridiculous and just looking for an argument.
You need to look again, because my exact quote was that Steven "isn't the threat he is without Russ". Not that he's a nothing without Russ, but Russ generates the majority of Steven's offense, he is absolutely not the same threat with every other point guard.
No Russ hasn’t been “pretty damn good” despite his poor shooting. Defense is a thing too and when you frequently leave your man early and get rebounds, then your if your team wins it’s in spite of you and not because of you. “You people” need to understand that and quit being fanboys.
M'kay. We can ignore the reality behind the data because you like your narrative. We have a great defense, and despite you guys acting like he is giving up 25 a night, Russ is part of that. The defense is 2.5 points better with him on the court. His DRPM is 4th in the league among point guards. Russell Westbrook continues to not be the problem, despite his glaring issues he is a large positive on the court.
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