Patrick Patterson..the next Kyle Singler

[sleestak33]

When Singler came to OKC he seemed like a good acquisition and had he continued to progress he would have fit in very nicely with the Thunder but somehow his game went completely to crap and now would be out of the NBA if not for Presti's 25 million dollar contract. I know it's a bit early but now we have another guy who looks almost exactly the same in Patterson and frankly it looks much worse and I haven't seen any indication in any of the games he's played that his play is going to change. He's averaging 2 points and 1 rebound and shooting only 31% on 3s and frankly that's all he does...just float around the 3 point line and jack them up. They were actually talking about starting him before they got Carmelo. I can't even fathom what this team would look like starting him AND Roberson. They would easily have lost 5-6 more games with that lineup. It's been 22 games so the "he's just rusty" excuses are over now.

[CROklahoma]

It's on a coach to try and put him into a role within a team.

You can't have a role when some of the guys get away with 27%+ usage rate, without being willing to distribute and let someone else do the decisions with the ball ...

[Pillendreher]

Contrary to Singler, Patterson was an excellent Role Player before coming here. It's more like Patterson is the new Taj Gibson and Abrines is the new Anthony Morrow.

[slick_watts]

those certainly are some words.

[dakomish23]

He’s still solid defensively, especially in space.

His offense has been extremely awful. Shooting 32/31 after shooting 45/37 the last 5 seasons.

In theory him and Grant should compliment each other.

[jambalaya]

Career worst marks in almost everything except steals and making long 2s.

[Pillendreher]

He’s still solid defensively, especially in space.

His offense has been extremely awful. Shooting 32/31 after shooting 45/37 the last 5 seasons.

In theory him and Grant should compliment each other.

Well to be fair we are not using him at all offensively. He's getting his 2 C&S 3PA per game that are happy accidents and not the result of executing a play.
He has gotten 2 total FGA at the rim so far. Not per game, total.

We're not giving him the ball to make plays. We're not giving him high % shots. The only thing we're letting him do is shoot out of rhythm 3s.

We're wasting him.

EDIT:

Synergy stats have him at a total of 9 poss. as the PnR Rollman.

[dakomish23]

He’s still solid defensively, especially in space.

His offense has been extremely awful. Shooting 32/31 after shooting 45/37 the last 5 seasons.

In theory him and Grant should compliment each other.

Well to be fair we are not using him at all offensively. He's getting his 2 C&S 3PA per game that are happy accidents and not the result of executing a play.
He has gotten 2 total FGA at the rim so far. Not per game, total.

We're not giving him the ball to make plays. We're not giving him high % shots. The only thing we're letting him do is shoot out of rhythm 3s.

We're wasting him.

EDIT:

Synergy stats have him at a total of 9 poss. as the PnR Rollman.

Were many plays run for him in TOR?

[Pillendreher]

He’s still solid defensively, especially in space.

His offense has been extremely awful. Shooting 32/31 after shooting 45/37 the last 5 seasons.

In theory him and Grant should compliment each other.

Well to be fair we are not using him at all offensively. He's getting his 2 C&S 3PA per game that are happy accidents and not the result of executing a play.
He has gotten 2 total FGA at the rim so far. Not per game, total.

We're not giving him the ball to make plays. We're not giving him high % shots. The only thing we're letting him do is shoot out of rhythm 3s.

We're wasting him.

EDIT:

Synergy stats have him at a total of 9 poss. as the PnR Rollman.

Were many plays run for him in TOR?

Gotta ask Toronto fans. I don't mean running plays specifically for him. I'm talking about using him in more ways than just cleanup duty. Defensively, we're asking him to cover for other people's mistakes. Offensively, we're asking him to bail us out when we can't find offense.
He's not included in anything offensively. Sure, he's setting a screen here and there, but it's not like we're treating him as somebody who's supposed to contribute.

[Andre Roberstan]

We halved his minutes and his FGA. Why is it a surprise that he's shooting badly when there's no way he'll ever get into a rhythm?

Either he or Grant needs to be moved, because Melo coming to OKC means not enough minutes at F to go round.

[Pillendreher]

We halved his minutes and his FGA. Why is it a surprise that he's shooting badly when there's no way he'll ever get into a rhythm?

Either he or Grant needs to be moved, because Melo coming to OKC means not enough minutes at F to go round.

He should slide down to the 4 next to an athletic shotblocker. That's the move we need to make.

[jambalaya]

Halved minutes, shots cut by almost 2/3rds. Per 100 possessions, shots down 25%.

[getrichordie]

We halved his minutes and his FGA. Why is it a surprise that he's shooting badly when there's no way he'll ever get into a rhythm?

Either he or Grant needs to be moved because Melo coming to OKC means not enough minutes at F to go round.

Yeah, I've been saying this for a while. Who do you keep and why? I mean, Grant has been solid defensively and definitely helps back-up Adams moreso than Patterson. I think a lot of that decision is going to hinge on whether Presti thinks he can keep Grant and move Patterson for a backup 5 which seems unlikely. What's the max amount of dollars we can throw at Grant (assuming both George extends and Anthony picks up his option)?

[jambalaya]

There is no fixed max amount. It depends on willingness to pay and probably paying massive additional tax. It depends on how massive the roster changes they make. It depends on how much somebody else offers. There is probably going to be too many decent or better free agents chasing too few or way too few dollars.

[Pillendreher]

We halved his minutes and his FGA. Why is it a surprise that he's shooting badly when there's no way he'll ever get into a rhythm?

Either he or Grant needs to be moved because Melo coming to OKC means not enough minutes at F to go round.

Yeah, I've been saying this for a while. Who do you keep and why? I mean, Grant has been solid defensively and definitely helps back-up Adams moreso than Patterson. I think a lot of that decision is going to hinge on whether Presti thinks he can keep Grant and move Patterson for a backup 5 which seems unlikely. What's the max amount of dollars we can throw at Grant (assuming both George extends and Anthony picks up his option)?

Patterson is a good player on a great deal. Grant is a below average player who will get a bigger deal next summer because he is athletic.

It's not even a debate who you keep.

[ThunderBolt]

We halved his minutes and his FGA. Why is it a surprise that he's shooting badly when there's no way he'll ever get into a rhythm?

Either he or Grant needs to be moved because Melo coming to OKC means not enough minutes at F to go round.

Yeah, I've been saying this for a while. Who do you keep and why? I mean, Grant has been solid defensively and definitely helps back-up Adams moreso than Patterson. I think a lot of that decision is going to hinge on whether Presti thinks he can keep Grant and move Patterson for a backup 5 which seems unlikely. What's the max amount of dollars we can throw at Grant (assuming both George extends and Anthony picks up his option)?

Patterson is a good player on a great deal. Grant is a below average player who will get a bigger deal next summer because he is athletic.

It's not even a debate who you keep.

Assuming we are looking to make a trade now, I agree. If at the end of the year Patterson hasn’t improved, and grant can be had at a reasonable price, then I’m all for keeping the guy who has made some progress.

[Pillendreher]

Yeah, I've been saying this for a while. Who do you keep and why? I mean, Grant has been solid defensively and definitely helps back-up Adams moreso than Patterson. I think a lot of that decision is going to hinge on whether Presti thinks he can keep Grant and move Patterson for a backup 5 which seems unlikely. What's the max amount of dollars we can throw at Grant (assuming both George extends and Anthony picks up his option)?

Patterson is a good player on a great deal. Grant is a below average player who will get a bigger deal next summer because he is athletic.

It's not even a debate who you keep.

Assuming we are looking to make a trade now, I agree. If at the end of the year Patterson hasn’t improved, and grant can be had at a reasonable price, then I’m all for keeping the guy who has made some progress.

I disagree. Patterson is an excellent glue gluy for our starters. It's up to Donovan to actually use him in that fashion and stop acting like Russ-George-Adams-Grant needs to be our 4th most played Russ-George-Adams-x lineup and finally give Patterson the minutes he deserves. We can't blame Patterson for the fact that Donovan is a moron when it comes to maximizing roleplayers. Not even 10 % of Patterson's minutes have been with Russ-George-Adams. That's insane. Josh Huestis has played the exact amount of minutes with those guys as Patterson. And Huestis has been in and out of the rotation all season long.

Grant needs to be dealt, period. He has been better at finishing at the rim, but that is not what this team needs to get his best players going.

[Reign23]

patterson sure looks terrible so far..

[ThunderBolt]

Patterson is a good player on a great deal. Grant is a below average player who will get a bigger deal next summer because he is athletic.

It's not even a debate who you keep.

Assuming we are looking to make a trade now, I agree. If at the end of the year Patterson hasn’t improved, and grant can be had at a reasonable price, then I’m all for keeping the guy who has made some progress.

I disagree. Patterson is an excellent glue gluy for our starters. It's up to Donovan to actually use him in that fashion and stop acting like Russ-George-Adams-Grant needs to be our 4th most played Russ-George-Adams-x lineup and finally give Patterson the minutes he deserves. We can't blame Patterson for the fact that Donovan is a moron when it comes to maximizing roleplayers. Not even 10 % of Patterson's minutes have been with Russ-George-Adams. That's insane. Josh Huestis has played the exact amount of minutes with those guys as Patterson. And Huestis has been in and out of the rotation all season long.

Grant needs to be dealt, period. He has been better at finishing at the rim, but that is not what this team needs to get his best players going.

I’m all for giving Patterson every opportunity to succeed but I don’t see how his performance can be entirely blamed on lineups. He just hasn’t been very good at anything so far. Dononvan needs to quit using the knee as an excuse for rusty play. Give him minutes to shake off the rust or rest him if he’s not healthy.

[Pillendreher]

Assuming we are looking to make a trade now, I agree. If at the end of the year Patterson hasn’t improved, and grant can be had at a reasonable price, then I’m all for keeping the guy who has made some progress.

I disagree. Patterson is an excellent glue gluy for our starters. It's up to Donovan to actually use him in that fashion and stop acting like Russ-George-Adams-Grant needs to be our 4th most played Russ-George-Adams-x lineup and finally give Patterson the minutes he deserves. We can't blame Patterson for the fact that Donovan is a moron when it comes to maximizing roleplayers. Not even 10 % of Patterson's minutes have been with Russ-George-Adams. That's insane. Josh Huestis has played the exact amount of minutes with those guys as Patterson. And Huestis has been in and out of the rotation all season long.

Grant needs to be dealt, period. He has been better at finishing at the rim, but that is not what this team needs to get his best players going.

I’m all for giving Patterson every opportunity to succeed but I don’t see how his performance can be entirely blamed on lineups. He just hasn’t been very good at anything so far. Dononvan needs to quit using the knee as an excuse for rusty play. Give him minutes to shake off the rust or rest him if he’s not healthy.

I'm not disagreeing with that. He has not played well (at all) so far. It's not just on Donovan, but on him as well. But the way we've been using him, he's not gonna succeed.

Just look at this:

These are the guys who have played at least 100 minutes so far, average 15 or less than 15 minutes per game and have a USG% of 10 or below 10 %:

http://bkref.com/tiny/udGRq

That list consists of Patterson, a rookie (Semi), Eric Moreland (who?) and broken down and/or old guys(Calderon, Dudley, Bogut, Terry, Udoh).
Is this really the role we want to give him? We're treating him like he's Nick Collison right now.

I'm sorry, but Patterson is terribly misused. I'd even understand if Donovan does not want to give him that big a role with the starters so the 'Bench Carmelo' talk doesn't start, but at some point, he'll have to do what's good for the team and stop with this nonsense. A guy with a +2 RPM two years in a row should not be treated like he's some 40 yo scrub riding into the sunset.