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Gotta defend well at least 16 times.

Was listening to the radio tonight about what it would take to get the 4 seed:

-Utah beats GSW
-Utah loses to Portland
-OKC wins at Memphis

4 seed is still in play! I don't know that it's likely, but it's doable.

i only recognized one player's photo in that grizzlies lineup.

Memphis have no reason to tank in this game, I wonder if their "injured" players will suddenly feel better and play in this one.

Andre Roberstan wrote:Was listening to the radio tonight about what it would take to get the 4 seed:

-Utah beats GSW
-Utah loses to Portland
-OKC wins at Memphis

4 seed is still in play! I don't know that it's likely, but it's doable.

From what I understand, it's less complicated than that. If OKC wins 1 more and Utah loses 1 of their last 2, OKC gets 4th.

If we want 4th (we'd have to play Utah), then we want GSW to beat Utah tonight. Obviously all of this is contingent upon OKC beating Memphis.

Patches Perry wrote:

Andre Roberstan wrote:Was listening to the radio tonight about what it would take to get the 4 seed:

-Utah beats GSW
-Utah loses to Portland
-OKC wins at Memphis

4 seed is still in play! I don't know that it's likely, but it's doable.

From what I understand, it's less complicated than that. If OKC wins 1 more and Utah loses 1 of their last 2, OKC gets 4th.

If we want 4th (we'd have to play Utah), then we want GSW to beat Utah tonight. Obviously all of this is contingent upon OKC beating Memphis.

It's more complicated than that. 48-34 is the magic number.

-We reach that by winning vs Memphis
-The winner between Pels and Spurs reaches it
-Utah reaches it by going 1-1
-Portland reaches it by going 0-1

If Utah loses today and beats Portland, you'd be looking at a 4-team-tie at 48-34. And then you start going down this list:

b. More Than Two Teams Tied. In the case of a tie in regular-season records involving more than two teams, the following criteria will be utilized in the following order:

(1) Division winner (this criterion is applied regardless of whether the tied teams are in the same division).
(2) Better winning percentage in all games among the tied teams.
(3) Better winning percentage against teams in own division (only if all tied teams are in same division).
(4) Better winning percentage against teams in own conference.
(5) Better winning percentage against teams eligible for playoffs in own conference (including teams that finished the regular season tied for a playoff position).
(6) Better net result of total points scored less total points allowed against all opponents (“point differential”).

There'd be no division winner, so you're looking at winning percentage vs all the other teams. Our record against those 4 teams is not that great: 0-4 vs Portland, 1-3 vs New Orleeans, 2-2 vs Spurs and 3-1 vs Utah. So ideally, you'd want Portland to secure the 3rd seed and the Spurs to win vs Pelicans with Utah not winning out. So then you'd be looking at a 3-team-tie with Utah and San Antonio. We've won 62.5 % of the games against those teams; Utah's at 50.0 % and San Antonio at 37.5 %. That would put us at 4th playing Utah at 5th.

Pillendreher wrote:

Patches Perry wrote:

Andre Roberstan wrote:Was listening to the radio tonight about what it would take to get the 4 seed:

-Utah beats GSW
-Utah loses to Portland
-OKC wins at Memphis

4 seed is still in play! I don't know that it's likely, but it's doable.

From what I understand, it's less complicated than that. If OKC wins 1 more and Utah loses 1 of their last 2, OKC gets 4th.

If we want 4th (we'd have to play Utah), then we want GSW to beat Utah tonight. Obviously all of this is contingent upon OKC beating Memphis.

It's more complicated than that. 48-34 is the magic number.

-We reach that by winning vs Memphis
-The winner between Pels and Spurs reaches it
-Utah reaches it by going 1-1
-Portland reaches it by going 0-1

If Utah loses today and beats Portland, you'd be looking at a 4-team-tie at 48-34. And then you start going down this list:

b. More Than Two Teams Tied. In the case of a tie in regular-season records involving more than two teams, the following criteria will be utilized in the following order:

(1) Division winner (this criterion is applied regardless of whether the tied teams are in the same division).
(2) Better winning percentage in all games among the tied teams.
(3) Better winning percentage against teams in own division (only if all tied teams are in same division).
(4) Better winning percentage against teams in own conference.
(5) Better winning percentage against teams eligible for playoffs in own conference (including teams that finished the regular season tied for a playoff position).
(6) Better net result of total points scored less total points allowed against all opponents (“point differential”).

There'd be no division winner, so you're looking at winning percentage vs all the other teams. Our record against those 4 teams is not that great: 0-4 vs Portland, 1-3 vs New Orleeans, 2-2 vs Spurs and 3-1 vs Utah. So ideally, you'd want Portland to secure the 3rd seed and the Spurs to win vs Pelicans with Utah not winning out. So then you'd be looking at a 3-team-tie with Utah and San Antonio. We've won 62.5 % of the games against those teams; Utah's at 50.0 % and San Antonio at 37.5 %. That would put us at 4th playing Utah at 5th.

Thanks, you're probably right.

I guess my question is, wouldn't the division winner tie-breaker be settled first prior to the 2nd tie-breaker going into effect?

Portland, Utah and OKC tied at 48 wins. All are tied for division winner - Portland has best record of the three teams H2H, they win the division, they win 3rd seed. From there, OKC, Utah and SAS/NO are all non-division winners and their tie-breaker would be settled through group H2H also, which puts OKC 4th I believe.

I could be totally wrong. Looks like Utah in most scenarios. Just a matter of home-court or not.

Where I got the impression that the division tie-breaker would take place 1st, then the additional tie-breaker among non-division winners:

c. Guidelines For Applying Tie-Break Criteria.

(1) (a) Since the three division winners are guaranteed a spot in the top four, ties to determine the division winners must be broken before any other ties.

http://www.nba.com/news/features/playoff.tiebreakers/

Patches Perry wrote:

Pillendreher wrote:

Patches Perry wrote:
From what I understand, it's less complicated than that. If OKC wins 1 more and Utah loses 1 of their last 2, OKC gets 4th.

If we want 4th (we'd have to play Utah), then we want GSW to beat Utah tonight. Obviously all of this is contingent upon OKC beating Memphis.

It's more complicated than that. 48-34 is the magic number.

-We reach that by winning vs Memphis
-The winner between Pels and Spurs reaches it
-Utah reaches it by going 1-1
-Portland reaches it by going 0-1

If Utah loses today and beats Portland, you'd be looking at a 4-team-tie at 48-34. And then you start going down this list:

b. More Than Two Teams Tied. In the case of a tie in regular-season records involving more than two teams, the following criteria will be utilized in the following order:

(1) Division winner (this criterion is applied regardless of whether the tied teams are in the same division).
(2) Better winning percentage in all games among the tied teams.
(3) Better winning percentage against teams in own division (only if all tied teams are in same division).
(4) Better winning percentage against teams in own conference.
(5) Better winning percentage against teams eligible for playoffs in own conference (including teams that finished the regular season tied for a playoff position).
(6) Better net result of total points scored less total points allowed against all opponents (“point differential”).

There'd be no division winner, so you're looking at winning percentage vs all the other teams. Our record against those 4 teams is not that great: 0-4 vs Portland, 1-3 vs New Orleeans, 2-2 vs Spurs and 3-1 vs Utah. So ideally, you'd want Portland to secure the 3rd seed and the Spurs to win vs Pelicans with Utah not winning out. So then you'd be looking at a 3-team-tie with Utah and San Antonio. We've won 62.5 % of the games against those teams; Utah's at 50.0 % and San Antonio at 37.5 %. That would put us at 4th playing Utah at 5th.

Thanks, you're probably right.

I guess my question is, wouldn't the division winner tie-breaker be settled first prior to the 2nd tie-breaker going into effect?

Portland, Utah and OKC tied at 48 wins. All are tied for division winner - Portland has best record of the three teams H2H, they win the division, they win 3rd seed. From there, OKC, Utah and SAS/NO are all non-division winners and their tie-breaker would be settled through group H2H also, which puts OKC 4th I believe.

I could be totally wrong. Looks like Utah in most scenarios. Just a matter of home-court or not.

Yeah, you might be right. Further down the page:

(1) (a) Ties to determine the division winners must be broken before any other ties.

But I don't know what you're looking for in a division winner. Record against the other teams to be tied with?

Pillendreher wrote:But I don't know what you're looking for in a division winner. Record against the other teams to be tied with?

From the file I was working off of, it assumed group H2H between OKC, Utah and Portland to determine division winner, then tie-breakers between non-division winners settled separately.

They could enforce these rules in any number of ways and we'd all shrug our shoulders. Who knows.

Patches Perry wrote:

Pillendreher wrote:But I don't know what you're looking for in a division winner. Record against the other teams to be tied with?

From the file I was working off of, it assumed group H2H between OKC, Utah and Portland to determine division winner, then tie-breakers between non-division winners settled separately.

They could enforce these rules in any number of ways and we'd all shrug our shoulders. Who knows.

So basically gotta win and hope Portland does too.

I've just been reading other people on this. For the sake of my sanity I haven't been crunching standings numbers.

We can't possibly lose

Right?

the western conference is just nuts.

ESPN has Gasol out for rest. Lol.

We can't afford to rest anybody. This is a must win. Praying for no injuries and a 4 seed.

Thundershock88 wrote:We can't afford to rest anybody. This is a must win. Praying for no injuries and a 4 seed.

If we play like we should, we could rest our player during last quarter...(still don't expect our team to play with such intensity )

Lol rest.

If they lose they should be relegated.