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Re: Off Season Trades 

Post#121 » by ThunderBolt » Sat Sep 14, 2019 4:53 pm

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ThunderBolt wrote:Admittedly this is too light for minny but the money works and could probably be adjusted to make it happen.
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y2tuwhnw

I don't like it for Minny or us.

Wolves probably need an additional first round pick. Do you just not like Simons or think Gallinari has higher value? Most of what I’ve read is that Gallinari has the value of a frp. I like Simons so I would rather have the player now than the pick later. However if the wolves got Simons and Little and we go the frp, I don’t think the value changes much.
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Re: Off Season Trades 

Post#122 » by spearsy23 » Sat Sep 14, 2019 7:47 pm

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ThunderBolt wrote:Admittedly this is too light for minny but the money works and could probably be adjusted to make it happen.
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y2tuwhnw

I don't like it for Minny or us.

Wolves probably need an additional first round pick. Do you just not like Simons or think Gallinari has higher value? Most of what I’ve read is that Gallinari has the value of a frp. I like Simons so I would rather have the player now than the pick later. However if the wolves got Simons and Little and we go the frp, I don’t think the value changes much.

I think Simons/Gallo is fair, wouldn't add Whiteside/Dre. Both because of the added dollars and because I don't want Whiteside anywhere near a team I like.
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Re: Off Season Trades 

Post#123 » by ThunderBolt » Sat Sep 14, 2019 8:39 pm

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spearsy23 wrote:I don't like it for Minny or us.

Wolves probably need an additional first round pick. Do you just not like Simons or think Gallinari has higher value? Most of what I’ve read is that Gallinari has the value of a frp. I like Simons so I would rather have the player now than the pick later. However if the wolves got Simons and Little and we go the frp, I don’t think the value changes much.

I think Simons/Gallo is fair, wouldn't add Whiteside/Dre. Both because of the added dollars and because I don't want Whiteside anywhere near a team I like.

I don’t like whiteside either but he’s an expiring. We already have malcontents in Schroder and CP3. Is one season of Whiteside that big of a deal? I would rather do Bazemore for Gallo and Simons. That trade didn’t fly on the T&T board. I was looking at it from the standpoint of would Portland part with Simons if they got Covington too? Most Portland fans would move their frp for Gallo but not Simons.

Also, Minnesota fans have an absurdly high value for Covington. There really isnt a good way for Portland to match salary with Minnesota by themselves. This ensures the Wolves don’t take back any salary and get little plus a frp. Even though that won’t fly with most wolves fans, I refuse to believe that a role player gets a the return of a superstar.
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Re: Off Season Trades 

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Post#125 » by NYG » Sun Sep 22, 2019 4:04 pm

I know it’s not the best fit, but purely on compiling talent... what picks would OKC add to Schroder and Roberson for DeMar DeRozan?
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Re: Off Season Trades 

Post#126 » by Kizz Fastfists » Sun Sep 22, 2019 5:19 pm

NYG wrote:I know it’s not the best fit, but purely on compiling talent... what picks would OKC add to Schroder and Roberson for DeMar DeRozan?


None. If OKC were looking to go out in the first round of the playoffs again they would still have Russ and PG. OKC will be moving Gallinari and CP3 for more assets as they continue to move deeper into their rebuild.
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Re: Off Season Trades 

Post#127 » by jambalaya » Wed Sep 25, 2019 4:56 pm

Gallinari to Blazers is perhaps the most likely trade option for him. Rockets, Spurs, Mavs, Hawks, Heat and Hornets are perhaps possible with effort but Blazers have need, Whiteside expiring, young prospects, draft picks. For a 2 way or mutli-team trade.

CP to Miami In Dec. / Jan. is still most likely for him, though I dunno how likely. A fair amount depends on how Dragic and Winslow play.
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Re: Off Season Trades 

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Post#129 » by jambalaya » Sat Sep 28, 2019 7:53 pm

Several teams will probably inquire about Noel at some point.
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Post#130 » by BlockCity » Sun Sep 29, 2019 1:12 am

jambalaya wrote:Several teams will probably inquire about Noel at some point.
Gallo/Noel to Blazers for Whiteside and ?

What assets could we get in a deal like that?

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Re: Off Season Trades 

Post#131 » by Dn4sty » Sun Sep 29, 2019 4:55 am

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jambalaya wrote:Several teams will probably inquire about Noel at some point.
Gallo/Noel to Blazers for Whiteside and ?

What assets could we get in a deal like that?

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Noel has a NTC which complicates things a bit. He’s also never really been paid outside of his rookie deal. KC will have his early bird rights next summer which would allow him to get a decent contract.

Further, OKC will likely want out of the tax (or be compensated heavily enough to justify staying in the tax). Whiteside makes more than Gallo and Noel combined.

So you probably aren’t going to like where this is headed, but the conversation has to begin with Simons.
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Re: Off Season Trades 

Post#132 » by Andrew McCeltic » Sun Sep 29, 2019 10:12 pm

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What do you all think of a Jaylen/SGA swap?

I’ve tried to wrap my head around it a few times as a Celtics fan.. We’ve heard Presti loves or “covets” Jaylen Brown, we’re not ready to add another max salary, and we have a backcourt glut again.. SGA is less athletic but has size and similar upside..
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Post#133 » by ThunderBolt » Sun Sep 29, 2019 10:26 pm

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What do you all think of a Jaylen/SGA swap?

I’ve tried to wrap my head around it a few times as a Celtics fan.. We’ve heard Presti loves or “covets” Jaylen Brown, we’re not ready to add another max salary, and we have a backcourt glut again.. SGA is less athletic but has size and similar upside..

No way. I like Jaylen more than most but Jaylen without shai is pointless.
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Post#134 » by Andrew McCeltic » Sun Sep 29, 2019 10:35 pm

I figured, you’d want to have both. Can’t imagine a way to make it happen without a multi-team scenario..
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Re: Off Season Trades 

Post#135 » by spearsy23 » Sun Sep 29, 2019 10:47 pm

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What do you all think of a Jaylen/SGA swap?

I’ve tried to wrap my head around it a few times as a Celtics fan.. We’ve heard Presti loves or “covets” Jaylen Brown, we’re not ready to add another max salary, and we have a backcourt glut again.. SGA is less athletic but has size and similar upside..

What's the incentive being offered? If they have similar upside how does Boston make up the added years of team control and contract difference?

Personally, I don't want anything to do with the contact brown is asking for.
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Re: Off Season Trades 

Post#136 » by Andrew McCeltic » Sun Sep 29, 2019 10:53 pm

The incentive would be trading one prospect you like at a position where you have two other starters for a prospect you like more at a different position.
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Re: Off Season Trades 

Post#137 » by spearsy23 » Sun Sep 29, 2019 11:08 pm

Andrew McCeltic wrote:The incentive would be trading one prospect you like at a position where you have two other starters for a prospect you like more at a different position.

That's not incentive, that's rationalization. It's an attempt to obfuscate the value difference with tangential factors. If we agree that brown/Shai are similar in their upside (and I do agree, although I think there's a better chance Shai reaches his, since upside is almost always about ability to create offense), then it's obvious Shai has more value based on contract situations. How does Boston make up for that value?

As for the roster situation, Chris Paul and Dennis Schroder are not going to have an impact on what prospects we rebuild with. And even if they were, Shai is 6'6" and started at sg for a playoff team last year.
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Post#138 » by Andrew McCeltic » Mon Sep 30, 2019 12:57 am

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Andrew McCeltic wrote:The incentive would be trading one prospect you like at a position where you have two other starters for a prospect you like more at a different position.

That's not incentive, that's rationalization. It's an attempt to obfuscate the value difference with tangential factors. If we agree that brown/Shai are similar in their upside (and I do agree, although I think there's a better chance Shai reaches his, since upside is almost always about ability to create offense), then it's obvious Shai has more value based on contract situations. How does Boston make up for that value?

As for the roster situation, Chris Paul and Dennis Schroder are not going to have an impact on what prospects we rebuild with. And even if they were, Shai is 6'6" and started at sg for a playoff team last year.


They’re not “tangential factors”, there are differences in relative value. And SGA is earlier on the contract clock, but he also hasn’t established a floor like Jaylen Brown’s and doesn’t have the same elite athleticism. It seems to me an even swap, Boston is taking on more risk with a younger and less proven player but turning back the salary clock. The question for me is only whether it’s a trade either team would do, but I assess it as an equal exchange of value.
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Post#139 » by jambalaya » Mon Sep 30, 2019 1:05 am

Whiteside, Tolliver,Hezonja, Little for Gallinari, Roberson, Noel would work salary-wise. Tweak the deal if need be. Just mentioned as an option.
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Re: Off Season Trades 

Post#140 » by Dn4sty » Mon Sep 30, 2019 2:19 am

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Andrew McCeltic wrote:The incentive would be trading one prospect you like at a position where you have two other starters for a prospect you like more at a different position.

That's not incentive, that's rationalization. It's an attempt to obfuscate the value difference with tangential factors. If we agree that brown/Shai are similar in their upside (and I do agree, although I think there's a better chance Shai reaches his, since upside is almost always about ability to create offense), then it's obvious Shai has more value based on contract situations. How does Boston make up for that value?

As for the roster situation, Chris Paul and Dennis Schroder are not going to have an impact on what prospects we rebuild with. And even if they were, Shai is 6'6" and started at sg for a playoff team last year.


They’re not “tangential factors”, there are differences in relative value. And SGA is earlier on the contract clock, but he also hasn’t established a floor like Jaylen Brown’s and doesn’t have the same elite athleticism. It seems to me an even swap, Boston is taking on more risk with a younger and less proven player but turning back the salary clock. The question for me is only whether it’s a trade either team would do, but I assess it as an equal exchange of value.


I would love Brown on this team. I wouldn’t give up Shai to get him.

I view Brown as elite 3&D player who is borderline all star or maybe an all star a few times. Plus Brown is going to end up getting likely a max deal.

However, I see SGA as multi year all star. He’s also got way more years of control

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