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Re: Thunder Offseason Thread
Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2019 11:44 am
by Kizz Fastfists
Dadouv47 wrote:yeah and Muscala is better than Grant only on your world but whatever. We got Muscala for the minimum while Grant who's paid almost 10 millions got traded for a first. Probably Muscala signed because he loves OKC while refusing some 15+ millions offers.
Which would you like to discuss? Muscala's better shooting percentages, BPM, RPM, rebounding rate, assist rate, block rate or something else that Muscala is measurably better than Grant at? If you want to talk about jumping and athleticism I will give that to Grant. However, there is no way to objectively claim that Grant is better on the court than Muscala. Grant had what will likely be his career shooting year and Presti was smart enough to cash in on it. Muscala has multiple seasons shooting over 40% from 3.
Re: Thunder Offseason Thread
Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2019 11:53 am
by spearsy23
Chris Paul isn't capable of dragging this team to the playoffs. You guys need to chill.
Re: Thunder Offseason Thread
Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2019 11:54 am
by spearsy23
Also, Bazely is different, and I'm here for it.
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Re: Thunder Offseason Thread
Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2019 12:02 pm
by slick_watts
check metrics which account for playing time. even RPM wins has grant ahead. per possession metrics don't always scale and muscala played only 1300 minutes last year-- a career high, by the way. i also think it's cute you are including muscala's 2014-15 as one of multiple seasons shooting over 40% from 3... on 22 attempts. CARMELO would be another which has 2018-19 grant well ahead.
i'm a big fan of mike muscala, too. i suspect in similar roles grant would come out ahead on the per possession metrics as well. this upcoming season may be a nice test case so bookmark this discussion.
Re: Thunder Offseason Thread
Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2019 12:05 pm
by slick_watts
anyone who thinks this team is better than last year's is underrating the impact of paul george.
Re: Thunder Offseason Thread
Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2019 12:25 pm
by Old Man Game
spearsy23 wrote:Also, Bazely is different, and I'm here for it.
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Evan Turner, the interviewee not the player, potential in this kid.
Re: Thunder Offseason Thread
Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2019 12:29 pm
by Old Man Game
To read a lot of this stuff online you'd think Paul was Semaj Christon or something. Looking at RPM on ESPN and the various advanced stat categories on the basketball reference player season finder (PER, WE/48, BPM), he was still a top 10-15 guard in the NBA. I know the deal isn't great but gosh, some of these teams aren't going to lure anything resembling a star anyway. I think there's probably more interest league wide than we're being led to believe by the Heat's **** P.R. offensive.
Re: Thunder Offseason Thread
Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2019 12:44 pm
by ThunderBolt
Old Man Game wrote:To read a lot of this stuff online you'd think Paul was Semaj Christon or something. Looking at RPM on ESPN and the various advanced stat categories on the basketball reference player season finder (PER, WE/48, BPM), he was still a top 10-15 guard in the NBA. I know the deal isn't great but gosh, some of these teams aren't going to lure anything resembling a star anyway. I think there's probably more interest league wide than we're being led to believe by the Heat's **** P.R. offensive.
RealGM underrates starts and overrates role players. You should see some of the responses from Minnesota fans about trading RoCo. He's treated like Kobe Bryant.
Re: Thunder Offseason Thread
Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2019 1:16 pm
by thor19
Rick Bonnell: I’ve been told the Hornets don’t want Paul’s contract. It’s dramatically longer and larger than Batum’s. And with Rozier here, what purpose would that trade serve?
Re: Thunder Offseason Thread
Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2019 1:21 pm
by ThunderBolt
Some fans on the dallas board seemed interested in Paul and Adams.
Re: Thunder Offseason Thread
Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2019 1:52 pm
by thor19
I dont know if Orlando want Cp3 for Gordon and fillers
Re: Thunder Offseason Thread
Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2019 1:57 pm
by Pillendreher
Old Man Game wrote:Ouch.
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I mean, seriously, he still goes to the mall?
Re: Thunder Offseason Thread
Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2019 1:58 pm
by Kizz Fastfists
thor19 wrote:I dont know if Orlando want Cp3 for Gordon and fillers
No. They want to give Fultz plenty of time to prove he is a bust before they consider moving assets for a proven PG. They could give Fultz the whole season, but they will at least wait until after Dec 15th to consider making a move for a PG.
Re: Thunder Offseason Thread
Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2019 2:00 pm
by Balkman32
ThunderBolt wrote:Some fans on the dallas board seemed interested in Paul and Adams.
They can only take on one of the other. They don't have enough matching salaries.
Re: Thunder Offseason Thread
Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2019 2:12 pm
by thor19
Kizz Fastfists wrote:thor19 wrote:I dont know if Orlando want Cp3 for Gordon and fillers
No. They want to give Fultz plenty of time to prove he is a bust before they consider moving assets for a proven PG. They could give Fultz the whole season, but they will at least wait until after Dec 15th to consider making a move for a PG.
I know but this way they keep Fultz and he dont have the pressure and they can make the playoff, also they can move issac to pf and have aminu
Re: Thunder Offseason Thread
Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2019 2:13 pm
by ThunderBolt
Im curious how this works. Paul can't combined with other players in a trade for 60 days. If you can break the same trade in to two separate trades with the same team, is that permissible? For example, instead of Trading CP3 and player X for other teams' players 1, 2 and 3, we trade Paul for players 1 & 2 and then we make a second trade with OKC player X for player 3 from the other team.
Re: Thunder Offseason Thread
Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2019 2:16 pm
by slick_watts
ThunderBolt wrote:Im curious how this works. Paul can't combined with other players in a trade for 60 days. If you can break the same trade in to two separate trades with the same team, is that permissible? For example, instead of Trading CP3 and player X for other teams' players 1, 2 and 3, we trade Paul for players 1 & 2 and then we make a second trade with OKC player X for player 3 from the other team.
yes, this is often done. if the trade can be completed in separate transactions (where cp3 is traded on his own) then the aggregation rule does not apply.
Re: Thunder Offseason Thread
Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2019 2:30 pm
by Kizz Fastfists
ThunderBolt wrote:Im curious how this works. Paul can't combined with other players in a trade for 60 days. If you can break the same trade in to two separate trades with the same team, is that permissible? For example, instead of Trading CP3 and player X for other teams' players 1, 2 and 3, we trade Paul for players 1 & 2 and then we make a second trade with OKC player X for player 3 from the other team.
There is no restriction on trading CP3. The 60 days is only for players acquired with an exception or if the salary was aggregated in the trade. There is a 60 day hold on Gallinari because his salary was aggregated with SGA.
For two months after receiving the player in trade, if the trade aggregates the player's salary with the salaries of other players. However, the team is free to trade the player immediately, either by himself or without aggregating his salary with other salaries. This restriction applies only to players who were acquired using an exception (and not cap room).
http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q101
Re: Thunder Offseason Thread
Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2019 2:45 pm
by Balkman32
Cav's waived JR Smith.
Re: Thunder Offseason Thread
Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2019 4:31 pm
by Dadouv47
Balkman32 wrote:Cav's waived JR Smith.
source?