Thunder Offseason Thread

[Kizz Fastfists]

I'm higher on Garland than most. I actually have him as the 3rd best player in the draft.

[Osirus89]

If New Orleans is going to go through a rebuild with either NY or LA assets, I hope Jrue Holiday becomes available.
Yeah I know that the team doesn’t have the best assets but he is probably the best player that no one ever talks about and that isn’t a perennial all star. I could see Indiana or Utah looking at him, but Conley and Beal would presumably also get looks from those teams.
Someone will hopefully get overlooked or forgotten about in all the FA/ draft madness coming up.

Or they could just draft thybulle, try to find some shooting in FA, and call it a day

[Kizz Fastfists]

Right now I think AD to NOLA and Jrue to LAL make sense. NOLA gets 3 and 4 plus some young pieces, i.e Knox, Robinson and Kuzma and probably some future picks to kick off a rebuild.

[ThunderBolt]

Right now I think AD to NOLA and Jrue to LAL make sense. NOLA gets 3 and 4 plus some young pieces, i.e Knox, Robinson and Kuzma and probably some future picks to kick off a rebuild.

Are you assuming NY and LA throw in this years pick as well?

[ThunderBolt]

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/253781/Wizards-Interview-Troy-Weaver-For-2nd-Time

[Pillendreher]

Lillard vs OKC: 33.0/6.0 on 46.1/48.1/84.6 (62.4 TS%/57.4 eFG%/118 ORtG)
Lillard since playing OKC: 24.4/6.0 on 40.1/29.6/82.9 (53.4 TS%/46.8 eFG%/107 ORtG)

[slick_watts]

thunder should trade the pick this year unless they blow it up. odds of a low 1st helping the team in the next two years are slim. but they can use the pick to trade schroder or do something else to help in 2019-20. they've committed to this already, may as well see it through.

[Pillendreher]

thunder should trade the pick this year unless they blow it up. odds of a low 1st helping the team in the next two years are slim. but they can use the pick to trade schroder or do something else to help in 2019-20. they've committed to this already, may as well see it through.

We couldn't get coach Kidd, but we can still do a Presti special this offseason.

[slick_watts]

thunder should trade the pick this year unless they blow it up. odds of a low 1st helping the team in the next two years are slim. but they can use the pick to trade schroder or do something else to help in 2019-20. they've committed to this already, may as well see it through.

We couldn't get coach Kidd, but we can still do a Presti special this offseason.

adams for batum or any other adams for a wing trade is so risky. we rely on his offensive rebounding and when our defense works he's one of the key pieces.

but something radical like this might be the only, albeit unlikely, path to major improvement.

[Eskobar13]

Lillard vs OKC: 33.0/6.0 on 46.1/48.1/84.6 (62.4 TS%/57.4 eFG%/118 ORtG)
Lillard since playing OKC: 24.4/6.0 on 40.1/29.6/82.9 (53.4 TS%/46.8 eFG%/107 ORtG)

I know we had some blame in it, but Lillard hitting 80% from close to the logo and just being overall absolutely on fire on pull-up shots, always had some luck to it and was bound to regress - people just decided to ignore it completely.

[kdthunderup]

thunder should trade the pick this year unless they blow it up. odds of a low 1st helping the team in the next two years are slim. but they can use the pick to trade schroder or do something else to help in 2019-20. they've committed to this already, may as well see it through.

We couldn't get coach Kidd, but we can still do a Presti special this offseason.

adams for batum or any other adams for a wing trade is so risky. we rely on his offensive rebounding and when our defense works he's one of the key pieces.

but something radical like this might be the only, albeit unlikely, path to major improvement.

I think we should disregard moving on Adams and focus on reconstructing the roster around Westbrook, PG and Adams. We rely heavily on Adam's offensive rebounding to make up for our inefficiencies on offense, moving completely away from this design wont work in the long run if we try to compete against teams on purely being an efficient offense. If we can just close the gap on the teams with higher eFG% and maintain our dominant position on the boards that will be the best balance for this team imo. We are not going to be a Golden State, Houston or Milwaukee.

Postive Assets:
- Jerami Grant
- 21st pick
- Terrance Ferguson
- Hamidou Diallo
- Andre Roberson (expiring contract)

Jrue Holiday
Bradley Beal
Jaylen Brown
Jayson Tatum
Gary Harris
Taurean Prince

If this team can pull in another wing player who can shoot and put the ball on the floor and has a fairly decent eFG% it will hopefully give more room for Westbrook to operate in the half-court and facilitate more. We know Westbrook will still be inneficient to an extent so that's why I believe keeping Adams is a must.

[mr570]

We couldn't get coach Kidd, but we can still do a Presti special this offseason.

adams for batum or any other adams for a wing trade is so risky. we rely on his offensive rebounding and when our defense works he's one of the key pieces.

but something radical like this might be the only, albeit unlikely, path to major improvement.

If we move away from Adams we need to have a plan to completely restructure the whole team around shooting, the roster is currently set up to rely on forcing turnovers and offensive rebounds. Re-configuring this team to improve our shooting and efficiencies on offense without losing our defensive identity is near impossible. We are stuck in a hole here.

Then everyone shut up about trades. There's one trade you make with Adams and whatever else and that's Al Horford. Was never meant to be for OKC from literally everyone's viewpoint here.

[petros93]

I'm all in on trading Adams. It has to happen. A team with westbrook shooting like that and no spot up shooters can't have Adams as the starting 5. Trade him Sam. Do it!

[Kizz Fastfists]

I'm all in on trading Adams. It has to happen. A team with westbrook shooting like that and no spot up shooters can't have Adams as the starting 5. Trade him Sam. Do it!

Are you aware that OKC's starting 2-4 all shot over 36% from 3 last year? Russ has shooters around him. Russ made the choice to take 5.6 three point shots a game while shooting under 30%. The lack of shooing on OKC is at the PG position. If you want to improve OKC's shooting you start by getting rid of Russ. If you want OKC to get out of the first round you get rid of Russ. If you OKC to be a favorite to make the playoffs next year you get rid of Russ. If you want OKC to continue to decline you keep Russ. If you want OKC to continue to be a bad shooting team you keep Russ. If you want OKC to be a rebuilding team that pays the luxury tax you keep Russ.

[hardenASG13]

I'm all in on trading Adams. It has to happen. A team with westbrook shooting like that and no spot up shooters can't have Adams as the starting 5. Trade him Sam. Do it!

Are you aware that OKC's starting 2-4 all shot over 36% from 3 last year? Russ has shooters around him. Russ made the choice to take 5.6 three point shots a game while shooting under 30%. The lack of shooing on OKC is at the PG position. If you want to improve OKC's shooting you start by getting rid of Russ. If you want OKC to get out of the first round you get rid of Russ. If you OKC to be a favorite to make the playoffs next year you get rid of Russ. If you want OKC to continue to decline you keep Russ. If you want OKC to continue to be a bad shooting team you keep Russ. If you want OKC to be a rebuilding team that pays the luxury tax you keep Russ.

Are you aware 2 of those 3, Ferguson and Grant (he'll improve again), rely almost completely on others, particularly Westbrook, to generate almost all of their looks from 3? Neither shoots it off the dribble well or off screens yet. Russ can generate his own shot, so he shoots it more. They have no offense.

So you trade the generational talent, because he doesn't fit with adams, rather than trading adams, who as a non shooter doesnt make sense playing with westbrook at all? His man only has to move off the block when adams is setting a high screen. His offensive rebounds are impressive, but due in part to him being one of the few centers getting big time minutes who isn't skilled enough to play away from block area. He is always near the rim. Itll get even worse if they start parking roberson in the corner 20 minutes a night.

They need to find at least one legit sg, this bs playing guys like Roberson and Ferguson, both way below NBA starter level 3 point shooters, next to a star who also is below average as as shooter, but way above average as a playmaker, makes no sense. Combine it with adams as a center who can't shoot outside the lane or really even handle the ball out there, and who doesn't command a double team on the catch in the post, it really holds back the potential of a Westbrook led offense. Always has.Look how good they were that one month where Ferguson was actually good!

[Kizz Fastfists]

Russ is the most inefficient player in NBA history! If he created shots for his teammates that can actually shoot instead of forcing up his own bad shots the team would actually be good instead of below average. Russ' play at this point is not on par with a starting level PG. If OKC had a starting level PG then the shooters would be firing twice as many shots and OKC would be scoring more points and playing less transition defense. If OKC had a starting level PG they would be on more fast breaks because their PG would taking off for an outlet pass instead of taking rebounds out of the hands of his center and PF.

[Old Man Game]

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/253781/Wizards-Interview-Troy-Weaver-For-2nd-Time

Ge him the **** out of here. Maybe he can re-sign his project Josh Huestis when he gets to DC.

[oreojenkins]

Getting a little out of hand here. Despite his shooting, Westbrook was still a top ~30 player last year. Saying he's not a starting caliber PG is absurd.

[Kizz Fastfists]

Getting a little out of hand here. Despite his shooting, Westbrook was still a top ~30 player last year. Saying he's not a starting caliber PG is absurd.

Top 30 player based on what? Entertainment? We just saw the data about correlation to wins and stats. eFG% has the highest correlation to the point that 85% of the time that alone will give you the winner of the game. Russ is the worst player in the NBA at eFG% given his volume and historically horrible eFG%. That means that you can actually make a statistically based argument for Russ being the worst player in the NBA if the goal is winning. You can't do that with a top 50 player.

[Pillendreher]

That means that you can actually make a statistically based argument for Russ being the worst player in the NBA if the goal is winning.

No, you can't. Gtfoh with that reductive bull.