Thunder Offseason Thread

[acheema0]

We can fire Billy and Presti and trade Dennis/Adams and all that, but nothing is going to change unless Russ takes a long look at himself this summer. He talked all that talk only to get embarrassed on the biggest stage. That makes back to back playoffs now where he's been owned by Ricky Rubio and now Lillard. It starts with him and if he keeps declining the way he has these last 2 seasons nothing else we do will matter.

[slick_watts]

Again: I don't give a damn. What these guys are saying during/after leaving the Thunder beat is not inherently more valuable simply because they're leavin. You want it to be representative of reality because it goes against the company line and therefore it must be true. No.

thunder beat writers have been more forthcoming when they know they are leaving. that is a trend. they've even spoken about topics we have been in agreement on- e.g. the thunder not knowing why they are losing. erik horne's comment is in stark contrast to what is ordinarily presented by thunder media, which gives it almost whistle blower weight. and it happens to coincide what has occurred in reality.

Like I said: You ascribe some sort of inherent value to those comments because they coincide with your personal views. Nothing more to it.

i'ts my experience as an investigator that people are more forthcoming in those situations where they are insulated from potential backlash. katz, slater, darnell before. and imo horne now. but again, we'll see!

it is not because they coincide with my personal views. it's kinda insulting you continue to insinuate that without any evidence.

[Dadouv47]

Again: I don't give a damn. What these guys are saying during/after leaving the Thunder beat is not inherently more valuable simply because they're leavin. You want it to be representative of reality because it goes against the company line and therefore it must be true. No.

thunder beat writers have been more forthcoming when they know they are leaving. that is a trend. they've even spoken about topics we have been in agreement on- e.g. the thunder not knowing why they are losing. erik horne's comment is in stark contrast to what is ordinarily presented by thunder media, which gives it almost whistle blower weight. and it happens to coincide what has occurred in reality.

time will tell, as it always does.

This must be exhausting, comin up with excuses every time. Is foam rolling giving you the stamina to do this with such vigor?

excuses? portland took advantage of westbrook's poor shooting like numerous teams have this season. we were a below average team offensively this year! .500-ish since january. these aren't excuses, this is the team that was heading into the playoffs. gregg popovich wouldn't have changed anything about the outcome of this series given the way we shot the ball for most of it.

That's an exaggeration even if I don't blame Billy Donovan so much for our terrible season/playoff performance.

Bad roster or not we definitely need some coaching change. We need someone who has the balls to confront our players. Billy D is more of a friend to the players (maybe it works in the NCAA but not in the NBA)

[slick_watts]

We can fire Billy and Presti and trade Dennis/Adams and all that, but nothing is going to change unless Russ takes a long look at himself this summer. He talked all that talk only to get embarrassed on the biggest stage. That makes back to back playoffs now where he's been owned by Ricky Rubio and now Lillard. It starts with him and if he keeps declining the way he has these last 2 seasons nothing else we do will matter.

he just needs more black tape.

[slick_watts]

Bad roster or not we definitely need some coaching change. We need someone who has the balls to confront our players. Billy D is more of a friend to the players (maybe it works in the NCAA but not in the NBA)

but that's not what the players want. and i think as long as presti is around we will cater to what the players want. it's what kept paul george around.

by the way. criticism of donovan should extent to our entire coaching staff. do we have any stand-out assistants anymore? not after adrian griffin left.

[Dadouv47]

Bad roster or not we definitely need some coaching change. We need someone who has the balls to confront our players. Billy D is more of a friend to the players (maybe it works in the NCAA but not in the NBA)

but that's not what the players want. and i think as long as presti is around we will cater to what the players want. it's what kept paul george around.

by the way. criticism of donovan should extent to our entire coaching staff. do we have any stand-out assistants anymore? not after adrian griffin left.

Well that's the first thing that needs to change.

Clay Bennett should ask them if they still want to win at any cost or just having a nice lifestyle.

[ThunderBolt]

true or false: dennis schroder's trade value is higher now than it was last summer.

Probably about the same. So false. I do think he's lost the stigma as a malcontent.

[slick_watts]

true or false: dennis schroder's trade value is higher now than it was last summer.

Probably about the same. So false. I do think he's lost the stigma as a malcontent.

that's a good point. irrespective of his productivity this year, he was never a distraction. and he's owed two years, $30 million instead of three years, $45 million.

his value could actually be higher.

[Pillendreher]

thunder beat writers have been more forthcoming when they know they are leaving. that is a trend. they've even spoken about topics we have been in agreement on- e.g. the thunder not knowing why they are losing. erik horne's comment is in stark contrast to what is ordinarily presented by thunder media, which gives it almost whistle blower weight. and it happens to coincide what has occurred in reality.

Like I said: You ascribe some sort of inherent value to those comments because they coincide with your personal views. Nothing more to it.

i'ts my experience as an investigator

[slick_watts]

Like I said: You ascribe some sort of inherent value to those comments because they coincide with your personal views. Nothing more to it.

i'ts my experience as an investigator

i knew you'd like that.

[Dadouv47]

true or false: dennis schroder's trade value is higher now than it was last summer.

Probably about the same. So false. I do think he's lost the stigma as a malcontent.

that's a good point. irrespective of his productivity this year, he was never a distraction. and he's owed two years, $30 million instead of three years, $45 million.

his value could actually be higher.

I think it's a bit higher yeah but still negative value so we had to pay to get him and we will need to pay to get rid of him. Not worth it

[Thunder Up]

on a complete side note... what percentage would you throw on Harden getting a foul call on Russ’ last shot of the game, with a nice little head flail backwards?

[Old Man Game]

true or false: dennis schroder's trade value is higher now than it was last summer.

I'd say true. He was mostly a happy warrior (mostly not entirely) and he has one less year that a team would have to pay him if it goes south.

[Old Man Game]

I just wonder where ownership is at on all of this. We've had one of the higher payrolls in the league for 2 straight years now and we've won a grand total of 3 playoff games. Sooner or later don't you get tired of that? They supposedly earn an extra million dollars per playoff game hosted so they aren't even coming close to covering their loses here.

Clay Bennett had cancer (I believe he's in remission) so maybe this is the least of his concerns for all I know.

[Andre Roberstan]

You should rebuild. Westbrook is a player that relies on atheticism, so it's better to trade him while he has value. You have two good pieces in Adams and George. Trade RW for a real PG.

There is the door, pal. Go right through it and don't look back. Bye.

Can you leave me reports for this? I have to sleep sometime.

[slick_watts]

You should rebuild. Westbrook is a player that relies on atheticism, so it's better to trade him while he has value. You have two good pieces in Adams and George. Trade RW for a real PG.

There is the door, pal. Go right through it and don't look back. Bye.

Can you leave me reports for this? I have to sleep sometime.

we are the watchers on the wall

[Andre Roberstan]

For what it's worth, I'm 100% with Justin here. Blaming Donovan is a cop-out, especially considering we've seen some rather nice ATOs at times from him.

[ThunderBolt]

Can Donovan and Westbrook coexist successfully? If the answer to that question isn't yes then get ready for more of the same.

[Pillendreher]

especially considering we've seen some rather nice ATOs at times from him.

Is that enough to pay a guy 6 million a year? Because we're 9th in ORtG after timeouts this season? Which wasn't even every 20th offensive possession?

[Dadouv47]

Can Donovan and Westbrook coexist successfully? If the answer to that question isn't yes then get ready for more of the same.

I don't think Donovan can coexist with any superstar. Well, maybe Lebron, but that's because Lebron is also a coach, GM and has a very high BBIQ