2019-20 OKC Thunder Regular Season Thread

Post #261 » by **ThunderBolt** » Wed Dec 11, 2019 1:38 pm

Galloisdaman wrote:
Kizz Fastfists wrote:
Galloisdaman wrote:I understand but why play the games if we can just go by the way things are supposed to happen? OKC was not supposed to be in the playoff race but right now they are so sometimes things do not happen the way they are expected to happen.

I disagree. I said repeatedly before the season started that they were a playoff team as constructed. I also hope Presti hurries up and moves Gallo and CP3 before they lose their first round pick by making the playoffs.

Well you were in the minority with that belief. Most of realgm and Vegas said lottery team. Very rare for a team picked to make the playoffs to plan on tanking before the season. Do you think the Clippers screwed up by making the playoffs last season?

Not at all and if the thunder were located in LA, they should try for the playoffs too. The lakers were a lousy team and poorly run organization and they signed the best player in the league at the time because of the the city they play in. The Clippers may not have the draw of the Lakers, but Los Angeles has a pull that okc could never have. Do you think OKC could be a first round exit and get a top three player to leave the franchise where they had just won a championship?

Post #262 » by **ThunderBolt** » Wed Dec 11, 2019 2:05 pm

So MAPS 4 passed yesterday which means $115 million will be set aside for upgrades to Chesapeake arena.

Galloisdaman · Post #263 » by **Galloisdaman** » Wed Dec 11, 2019 2:22 pm

ThunderBolt wrote:
Galloisdaman wrote:
Kizz Fastfists wrote:
I disagree. I said repeatedly before the season started that they were a playoff team as constructed. I also hope Presti hurries up and moves Gallo and CP3 before they lose their first round pick by making the playoffs.

Well you were in the minority with that belief. Most of realgm and Vegas said lottery team. Very rare for a team picked to make the playoffs to plan on tanking before the season. Do you think the Clippers screwed up by making the playoffs last season?

Not at all and if the thunder were located in LA, they should try for the playoffs too. The lakers were a lousy team and poorly run organization and they signed the best player in the league at the time because of the the city they play in. The Clippers may not have the draw of the Lakers, but Los Angeles has a pull that okc could never have. Do you think OKC could be a first round exit and get a top three player to leave the franchise where they had just won a championship?

I honestly can not say BUT to be fair the LAC never had a top free agent come their way in their previous history either.

Post #264 » by **ThunderBolt** » Wed Dec 11, 2019 2:42 pm

Galloisdaman wrote:
ThunderBolt wrote:
Galloisdaman wrote:
Well you were in the minority with that belief. Most of realgm and Vegas said lottery team. Very rare for a team picked to make the playoffs to plan on tanking before the season. Do you think the Clippers screwed up by making the playoffs last season?

Not at all and if the thunder were located in LA, they should try for the playoffs too. The lakers were a lousy team and poorly run organization and they signed the best player in the league at the time because of the the city they play in. The Clippers may not have the draw of the Lakers, but Los Angeles has a pull that okc could never have. Do you think OKC could be a first round exit and get a top three player to leave the franchise where they had just won a championship?

I honestly can not say BUT to be fair the LAC never had a top free agent come their way in their previous history either.

That’s kind of the point. Even without a tradition, there are inherent advantages to being in la. It doesn’t mean okc can’t win but the only way to get top talent is through the draft. Once that talent is acquired I do believe that okc can get guys of the caliber like Horford and Melo.

Galloisdaman · Post #265 » by **Galloisdaman** » Wed Dec 11, 2019 2:49 pm

ThunderBolt wrote:
Galloisdaman wrote:
ThunderBolt wrote:
Not at all and if the thunder were located in LA, they should try for the playoffs too. The lakers were a lousy team and poorly run organization and they signed the best player in the league at the time because of the the city they play in. The Clippers may not have the draw of the Lakers, but Los Angeles has a pull that okc could never have. Do you think OKC could be a first round exit and get a top three player to leave the franchise where they had just won a championship?

I honestly can not say BUT to be fair the LAC never had a top free agent come their way in their previous history either.

That’s kind of the point. Even without a tradition, there are inherent advantages to being in la. It doesn’t mean okc can’t win but the only way to get top talent is through the draft. Once that talent is acquired I do believe that okc can get guys of the caliber like Horford and Melo.

I understand but if there are so many advantages for the Clippers being in LA how come no major FA ever came there before this season?

Post #266 » by **ThunderBolt** » Wed Dec 11, 2019 3:07 pm

Galloisdaman wrote:
ThunderBolt wrote:
Galloisdaman wrote:
I honestly can not say BUT to be fair the LAC never had a top free agent come their way in their previous history either.

That’s kind of the point. Even without a tradition, there are inherent advantages to being in la. It doesn’t mean okc can’t win but the only way to get top talent is through the draft. Once that talent is acquired I do believe that okc can get guys of the caliber like Horford and Melo.

I understand but if there are so many advantages for the Clippers being in LA how come no major FA ever came there before this season?

Because they were historically probably the worst franchise in all of professional sports. It doesn’t mean everything comes easy. The lakers got spirned by multiple FAs but just the appearance of competence is enough.

Post #267 » by **Dadouv47** » Wed Dec 11, 2019 6:15 pm

Durant and Westbrook tried to recruit a lot of very good free agents, and no one accepted. We were the second best team in the NBA (after Miami) when they tried to recruit guys like Pau Gasol. I'm 99% sure he would have accepted if the team was in a better location (not necessarily LA or MIami)

Kizz Fastfists · Post #268 » by **Kizz Fastfists** » Wed Dec 11, 2019 7:01 pm

Galloisdaman wrote:Well you were in the minority with that belief. Most of realgm and Vegas said lottery team. Very rare for a team picked to make the playoffs to plan on tanking before the season. Do you think the Clippers screwed up by making the playoffs last season?

They traded Tobias Harris during the season. They were not trying to make the playoffs. As for screwing up, no. It was irrelevant because they had traded their 2019 draft pick back in 2016. OKC loses their pick if it isn't in the top 20 and is in a rebuild where high picks matter which will happen if they keep this team together.

Galloisdaman · Post #269 » by **Galloisdaman** » Wed Dec 11, 2019 8:30 pm

Kizz Fastfists wrote:
Galloisdaman wrote:Well you were in the minority with that belief. Most of realgm and Vegas said lottery team. Very rare for a team picked to make the playoffs to plan on tanking before the season. Do you think the Clippers screwed up by making the playoffs last season?

They traded Tobias Harris during the season. They were not trying to make the playoffs. As for screwing up, no. It was irrelevant because they had traded their 2019 draft pick back in 2016. OKC loses their pick if it isn't in the top 20 and is in a rebuild where high picks matter which will happen if they keep this team together.

They traded Tobias but still said they wanted to make the playoffs. They got back 3 very important players in trades (Shamet, Zubac, Green) for their playoff run. Their record was better after the trade. If they did not make the playoffs they would have kept their 2019 first round pick as a protected pick.

Kizz Fastfists · Post #270 » by **Kizz Fastfists** » Wed Dec 11, 2019 9:39 pm

Galloisdaman wrote:If they did not make the playoffs they would have kept their 2019 first round pick as a protected pick.

In that case they screwed up. They would likely have the same team today plus a lottery pick. Which is better? Winning two meaningless playoff games or having an extra lottery pick on a team that is a contender?

Galloisdaman · Post #271 » by **Galloisdaman** » Wed Dec 11, 2019 9:50 pm

Kizz Fastfists wrote:
Galloisdaman wrote:If they did not make the playoffs they would have kept their 2019 first round pick as a protected pick.

In that case they screwed up. They would likely have the same team today plus a lottery pick. Which is better? Winning two meaningless playoff games or having an extra lottery pick on a team that is a contender?

Depends on your point of view. If that team was a dog not such a fighter does KL definitely choose them? Most fans were very pleased with their efforts but some thought like yourself. Does a #14 pick usually become a great player in the NBA? Are great NBA USA more tempted to by a scrappy playoff team or having the #14 in the draft?

Post #272 » by **Dadouv47** » Wed Dec 11, 2019 10:51 pm

Galloisdaman wrote:
Kizz Fastfists wrote:
Galloisdaman wrote:If they did not make the playoffs they would have kept their 2019 first round pick as a protected pick.

In that case they screwed up. They would likely have the same team today plus a lottery pick. Which is better? Winning two meaningless playoff games or having an extra lottery pick on a team that is a contender?

Depends on your point of view. If that team was a dog not such a fighter does KL definitely choose them? Most fans were very pleased with their efforts but some thought like yourself. Does a #14 pick usually become a great player in the NBA? Are great NBA USA more tempted to by a scrappy playoff team or having the #14 in the draft?

Well I understand what the Clippers did because they were already trying to recruit Kawhi so showing they were competitive and had some good players was great for them. We are not trying to recruit anyone next offseason so...not the same situation

The Nets did the same...showing they had great young pieces in order to attract Kyrie and Durant.

spearsy23 · Post #273 » by **spearsy23** » Wed Dec 11, 2019 10:54 pm

Kizz Fastfists wrote:
Galloisdaman wrote:If they did not make the playoffs they would have kept their 2019 first round pick as a protected pick.

In that case they screwed up. They would likely have the same team today plus a lottery pick. Which is better? Winning two meaningless playoff games or having an extra lottery pick on a team that is a contender?

They wouldn't have the same team if they tanked. Kawhi would be a laker or raptor.

Post #274 » by **Dadouv47** » Wed Dec 11, 2019 10:58 pm

A middle late FRP is more valuable for a team like OKC than a team like the Lakers or Clippers.

And making the playoffs with an average team in order to attract free agents is way more valuable for a team like the Clippers than for OKC.

jambalaya · Post #275 » by **jambalaya** » Thu Dec 12, 2019 8:47 pm

Goodbye Presti project Devon Hall. In? DeVaughn Akoon-Purcell? Why not? Best ts% in the G-league at almost 72%. 46% from 3 down there the last 2 partial seasons.

Kevin Hervey is another possibility.

jambalaya · Post #276 » by **jambalaya** » Thu Dec 12, 2019 11:51 pm

2way contract for Hervey.

alessandrux · Post #277 » by **alessandrux** » Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:09 pm

jambalaya wrote:2way contract for Hervey.

(More) context:

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spearsy23 · Post #278 » by **spearsy23** » Sun Dec 15, 2019 12:50 am

What teams have made the best use of their two ways? Don't feel like we've gotten much out of them or really have a good feel for what to look for in those guys. Burton was alright in his ability to provide depth minutes at a shallow position, but he really doesn't have the role player game that could make him a viable long term player. Feels like they should be used either to spot fill rotation spots that are missing (sf), or on specialists who may develop enough in other areas to eventually have real nba careers.

Post #279 » by **ThunderBolt** » Sun Dec 15, 2019 1:59 am

spearsy23 wrote:What teams have made the best use of their two ways? Don't feel like we've gotten much out of them or really have a good feel for what to look for in those guys. Burton was alright in his ability to provide depth minutes at a shallow position, but he really doesn't have the role player game that could make him a viable long term player. Feels like they should be used either to spot fill rotation spots that are missing (sf), or on specialists who may develop enough in other areas to eventually have real nba careers.

Danuel House comes to mind.

Thabo Sefolosha · Post #280 » by **Thabo Sefolosha** » Sun Dec 15, 2019 2:06 am

ThunderBolt wrote:
spearsy23 wrote:What teams have made the best use of their two ways? Don't feel like we've gotten much out of them or really have a good feel for what to look for in those guys. Burton was alright in his ability to provide depth minutes at a shallow position, but he really doesn't have the role player game that could make him a viable long term player. Feels like they should be used either to spot fill rotation spots that are missing (sf), or on specialists who may develop enough in other areas to eventually have real nba careers.

Danuel House comes to mind.

Nuggets got Monte Morris and Craig from it