Fall of 2020-21 OKC Thunder Offseason Thread- Rebuild or Maintain?

[ThunderBolt]

Hopefully, we trade Schroder and CP3 this season. Seeing as how desperate Philly and Milluwuake are, I think Presti holds all the leverage. A package of Horford, Thybulle, and 2 unprotected first-round picks would be a dream.

I don't think the 6ers deal Thybulle but I can see a CP3 for Horford swap. I think its going to cost the 6ers to do a Horford for CP3. Horfords deal is for another 3 years at around $27 million plus he is already 34 years old, and the salary cap could be decreasing. Would the 6ers offer Horford, unprotected FRP's in '25 and '27 for CP3?

The Bucks can only deal one first rounder since they have 2 going out the door right now.

These teams might also have interest in a CP3 & Schroder package. I think these two have shown they work together really well and can bring a balance to a team for a full 48 minutes plus we have seen they are able to play together.

Just fyi on the Horford contract-

Only $14,500,000 guaranteed in 2022/23, HoopsHype has learned. He would get $19,500,000 guaranteed if his team makes it to the NBA Finals in 2019/20, 2020/21 or 2021/22. His 2022/23 would be fully guaranteed if his team wins the NBA championship.

https://hoopshype.com/player/al-horford/salary/

[Balkman32]

Hopefully, we trade Schroder and CP3 this season. Seeing as how desperate Philly and Milluwuake are, I think Presti holds all the leverage. A package of Horford, Thybulle, and 2 unprotected first-round picks would be a dream.

I don't think the 6ers deal Thybulle but I can see a CP3 for Horford swap. I think its going to cost the 6ers to do a Horford for CP3. Horfords deal is for another 3 years at around $27 million plus he is already 34 years old, and the salary cap could be decreasing. Would the 6ers offer Horford, unprotected FRP's in '25 and '27 for CP3?

The Bucks can only deal one first rounder since they have 2 going out the door right now.

These teams might also have interest in a CP3 & Schroder package. I think these two have shown they work together really well and can bring a balance to a team for a full 48 minutes plus we have seen they are able to play together.

Just fyi on the Horford contract-

Only $14,500,000 guaranteed in 2022/23, HoopsHype has learned. He would get $19,500,000 guaranteed if his team makes it to the NBA Finals in 2019/20, 2020/21 or 2021/22. His 2022/23 would be fully guaranteed if his team wins the NBA championship.

https://hoopshype.com/player/al-horford/salary/

Paul will make $85.5 m over the next 2 years.
Horford will make $81 m over the next 3 years. But, in the last year $12 million could be saved if released before Free Agency in 2022. Which would result in paying Horford $69 million over the next 2 years, with a $14.5 m cap hit on the 22-23.

[Galloisdaman]

If we rebuild and move cp3 and Gallo, I expect shai to struggle and have a bit of a regression year on the surface. Ultimately I think it should make him a better player in the long run. All of us tend to want progression to be fast and linear but unless you are Luka, it tends to be slower. Devin Booker has been talented for a long time but made his jump this year in fifth season. Lots of good players don’t develop as quickly as we saw with the Durant, Russ and Harden.

Booker showed legitimate #1 scoring chops from day 1 though. There were questions about rather he could be the best player on a winning team, but he was always going to be a guy that could get you 35 in a game 7.

Shai is a really difficult player to comp. After an entire season of watching almost every game I really can’t think of who he reminds me of. I don’t think he’s the same level of scorer as booker. That comp was more along the lines of how long it could take him to reach his ceiling. In same ways you could argue that the situations he’s been in his first two years have slowed his development even though they may have been beneficial down the road.

Does anyone believe the grindhouse Grizzlies or the current blazers were actually in the title hunt? Because, without a Lebron or Cupcake, I think that's your best case scenario

If you had added a Pul George level player to that roster, then were they a contender? That’s kind of my hope based upon what I think we currently have and will do. Build a solid roster, don’t screw yourself with bad contracts and still have the assets to get the big fish when he’s available. The Lillard/ McCollum blazers were decent but they haven’t been able to add the missing piece. We had so many assets that I think we can do it.

Shai is very hard to judge. He has had very respectable first 2 years but when you look at individual skills is hard.
How would you judge his skills in these categories? Average? Good? All-Star

Passing?
Outside shooting?
Slashing?
Post game?
Defense?
Speed?

[mr570]

I think RJ Hampton is a more athletic Shai. Kinda want to see us take a chance on him...

[Thabo Sefolosha]

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[ThunderBolt]

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Wow.

[itzmrgigglez]

The rebuild is about to begin:

Who we getting?

Kenny Atkinson
Dave Joeger
David Fizdale
Mark Jackson

Who else interest y’all?

[QPR]

I don't think it made sense for either side tbh. His stock is high and there are a couple of enticing jobs likely to be available (Philly, Indiana, NO).

[jake_swivel]

The rebuild is about to begin:

Who we getting?

Kenny Atkinson
Dave Joeger
David Fizdale
Mark Jackson

Who else interest y’all?

Definitely not mark Jackson.

Dave joerger is a dude who wins more than he should which is great for a playoff team, but I don’t think that’s what we are going for. Same with Fizdale. I’d take Atkinson. Developed the kids in Brooklyn. Brett brown-ish kinda guy to get through our “the process”. Speaking of, he fits too, since he was just fired, although the talk about a lack of accountability is worrisome. He took philly through the doldrums, though.

[jambalaya]

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[ThunderCeltic]

Hello Nick Collison. Kenny Atkinson maybe..

[ThunderBolt]

"We had planned to sit down at the end of the season and discuss the best way to move forward for both of us. After those discussions, it became apparent that we couldn't provide him the information on the future direction of the team over the next several seasons to give him the level of clarity that he understandably desires at this stage of his career," Thunder executive vice president and general manager Sam Presti said in a statement.

"Therefore, we close this chapter and reflect fondly on all that he has given to the team, organization and community. Billy will always have a place in the Thunder family."

[Old Man Game]

I could see Presti hiring internally (Daigneault) or maybe repatriating some recent departure like Darko or Mark Bryant. You know how much he loves known quantities versus the unknown. And crucially, all those guys all have a history of teaching the game.

[Old Man Game]

"We had planned to sit down at the end of the season and discuss the best way to move forward for both of us. After those discussions, it became apparent that we couldn't provide him the information on the future direction of the team over the next several seasons to give him the level of clarity that he understandably desires at this stage of his career," Thunder executive vice president and general manager Sam Presti said in a statement.

"Therefore, we close this chapter and reflect fondly on all that he has given to the team, organization and community. Billy will always have a place in the Thunder family."

Just between me and anyone reading here, I think the guy is extremely lucky his career here was bookended first by KD and at the end by CP3. Both of them made him look like a better NBA coach than he really is in my estimation.

[getrichordie]

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[getrichordie]

Ownership likely doesn't want to pay him what he's worth and Donovan likely wants to coach a better team over the next few years. No telling how OKC is going to look with Paul and Gallinari likely gone after this season and Adams $25M expiring next season...

[ThunderBolt]

I could see Presti hiring internally (Daigneault) or maybe repatriating some recent departure like Darko or Mark Bryant. You know how much he loves known quantities versus the unknown. And crucially, all those guys all have a history of teaching the game.

Other than Atkinson, I wouldn’t mind taking a chance on an unproven up and comer. Stackhouse is a name I’ve heard tossed around for a while. I’m not going to pretend I have any idea what assistants would be good coaches but I’m not as interested in most retread options.

[jambalaya]

Definitely not Fizdale.

[ThunderBolt]

According to Woj.

I’m going to merge this, not because it isn’t deserving of its own thread but since we’ve got two threads going and so few posters it will get better discussion here.

[Old Man Game]

Ya know, thinking back on his time here I'm reminded of how hard they reportedly pitched Al Horford in that offseason that KD eventually ended up leaving. I bet the belief he could recruit his old college player that offseason is the whole reason they hired him in the first place. But Durant blew everything up.