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Post#1581 » by Devilanche » Fri Jul 30, 2021 11:51 pm

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I guess for me I think anybody who is mad we didn't draft sengun should be happy we drafted jre


Why do you say that? They appear to be totally different in all regards, no?

He probably counting them as bigs . If we are only going to add 3-4 rookies and the rest are all guards.
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Post#1582 » by Devilanche » Fri Jul 30, 2021 11:53 pm

Old Man Game wrote:I know very little about JRE but what I've seen is sort of underwhelming. 6'9" with the same wingspan probably isn't exactly going to be a defensive terror. What am I missing?

Supposedly high floor ? So we can let the team play in a more structured way without everyone playing off each other mistakes ?

Idk . I thought we were going younger with our picks
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Post#1584 » by Old Man Game » Sat Jul 31, 2021 12:04 am

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Old Man Game wrote:I know very little about JRE but what I've seen is sort of underwhelming. 6'9" with the same wingspan probably isn't exactly going to be a defensive terror. What am I missing?

Supposedly high floor ? So we can let the team play in a more structured way without everyone playing off each other mistakes ?

Idk . I thought we were going younger with our picks


Is he supposed to be good offensively? Jay Bilas would just say "I love his pick and roll defense" and that was about it after the pick last night on the ESPN broadcast.
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Post#1585 » by Old Man Game » Sat Jul 31, 2021 12:05 am

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Like, what's the best case comp? He seems like a low ceiling low floor sort of selection.
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Post#1586 » by Devilanche » Sat Jul 31, 2021 12:10 am

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Old Man Game wrote:I know very little about JRE but what I've seen is sort of underwhelming. 6'9" with the same wingspan probably isn't exactly going to be a defensive terror. What am I missing?

Supposedly high floor ? So we can let the team play in a more structured way without everyone playing off each other mistakes ?

Idk . I thought we were going younger with our picks


Is he supposed to be good offensively? Jay Bilas would just say "I love his pick and roll defense" and that was about it after the pick last night on the ESPN broadcast.

If draft expert knows that little about him , I doubt any of us know anything about him
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Post#1587 » by spearsy23 » Sat Jul 31, 2021 12:12 am

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I guess for me I think anybody who is mad we didn't draft sengun should be happy we drafted jre


Why do you say that? They appear to be totally different in all regards, no?

In some ways, but the underlying idea behind drafting Sengun is that, regardless of the athletic and size limitations, players who are smart/skilled/ good at basketball are going to figure out how to continue being good at basketball. JRE is that player, even if it's in different ways.

Not that they are on the same level, but if we're talking pick 32 vs 16.
“If you're getting stops and you're making threes and the other team's not scoring, that's when you're going to see a huge point difference there,” coach Billy Donovan said.
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Post#1588 » by ThunderBolt » Sat Jul 31, 2021 12:29 am

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Like, what's the best case comp? He seems like a low ceiling low floor sort of selection.

I sometimes do player comps but i honestly hate them. Giddey is young with some interesting skills. There just isn’t any way to know. That’s part of the fun. Trying to figure it out right now is just impossible. If he fixes his weaknesses, I think he could be an all star. Is that likely? The ringer’s median outcome said at six we are likely to draft a player the level of Nerlens or WCS.
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Post#1589 » by bondom34 » Sat Jul 31, 2021 12:34 am

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Like, what's the best case comp? He seems like a low ceiling low floor sort of selection.

I sometimes do player comps but i honestly hate them. Giddey is young with some interesting skills. There just isn’t any way to know. That’s part of the fun. Trying to figure it out right now is just impossible. If he fixes his weaknesses, I think he could be an all star. Is that likely? The ringer’s median outcome said at six we are likely to draft a player the level of Nerlens or WCS.

Lonzo is I think the best I've heard that I think fits. I think he's actually fairly high floor, was playing well in a professional league already.

Edit: Pretty sure he led the NBL in assists. And I think he rated out well in that model that was posted a few days ago from ESPN. Not sure if that comp is great either but if thats similar to what he is (and the playmaking might be there) it would be a nice fit.
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Post#1590 » by Old Man Game » Sat Jul 31, 2021 12:37 am

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I guess for me I think anybody who is mad we didn't draft sengun should be happy we drafted jre


Why do you say that? They appear to be totally different in all regards, no?

In some ways, but the underlying idea behind drafting Sengun is that, regardless of the athletic and size limitations, players who are smart/skilled/ good at basketball are going to figure out how to continue being good at basketball. JRE is that player, even if it's in different ways.

Not that they are on the same level, but if we're talking pick 32 vs 16.


Oh I agree with the general premise there that players who know how to play are worth picking regardless of measurements. I just brought up the measurements because I wasn't seeing that he looked otherwise special so I assumed there was something I was missing in terms of his game.
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Post#1591 » by ThunderBolt » Sat Jul 31, 2021 12:42 am

Apparantly Knicks wanted Tre at 19, per Ian Bagley.

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Post#1592 » by spearsy23 » Sat Jul 31, 2021 1:08 am

JRE we supposedly had to move up or lose, And warriors reportedly wanted giddey, so definitely doesn't feel like we reached anywhere. Might not work out, but at least they weren't obviously bad value picks anywhere.
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Post#1593 » by spearsy23 » Sat Jul 31, 2021 1:16 am

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Like, what's the best case comp? He seems like a low ceiling low floor sort of selection.

Best case is probably whatever lamelo might be, right?
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Post#1594 » by kdthunderup » Sat Jul 31, 2021 1:23 am

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Like, what's the best case comp? He seems like a low ceiling low floor sort of selection.

I’d argue that he actually has a high floor and would be very surprised if he doesn’t have a very productive career. He was productive in the NBL which is better for evaluating transition to the NBA than college.

Extremely High IQ, hard worker, will definitely be one of the best playmakers in the NBA. Lead the NBL in assists which is really strong league with less spacing than NBA. LaMelo struggled a lot in the NBL and put up better numbers when he got to the NBA (efficiency wise).

Albeit saying that, I don’t think he has top 20 potential. I think his ceiling is someone like Conley who may is a borderline all star guy. His athleticism will ultimately limit him from reaching a superstar level.

I think he can work really well as your 3rd best player. I see him working well in the backcourt with SGA who I would argue you don’t want as your best playmaker if you have championship aspirations. If we could get an elite scoring wing (sf/pf) and a mobile centre that would really set this team up with all the pieces it needs.
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Post#1595 » by Old Man Game » Sat Jul 31, 2021 2:11 am

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Like, what's the best case comp? He seems like a low ceiling low floor sort of selection.

Best case is probably whatever lamelo might be, right?


I just wondered because I kept seeing stuff saying bad shooter and defender but great passer which sounds like a guy who could bust pretty easily.

I like the pick alright for the record just based on those same stats based models liking him that liked Sengun.
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Post#1596 » by ThunderBolt » Sat Jul 31, 2021 2:48 am

Old Man Game wrote:
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Like, what's the best case comp? He seems like a low ceiling low floor sort of selection.

Best case is probably whatever lamelo might be, right?


I just wondered because I kept seeing stuff saying bad shooter and defender but great passer which sounds like a guy who could bust pretty easily.

I like the pick alright for the record just based on those same stats based models liking him that liked Sengun.

It’s a pretty small sample size but I read that in his first 7 games of the season went 2/20 from three, then 27/79 to finish out the year. It is possible he made some improvement and maybe the 34% is somewhat more accurate for a baseline. That’s not great, but maybe there is some potential there.
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Post#1597 » by bondom34 » Sat Jul 31, 2021 2:51 am

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spearsy23 wrote:Best case is probably whatever lamelo might be, right?


I just wondered because I kept seeing stuff saying bad shooter and defender but great passer which sounds like a guy who could bust pretty easily.

I like the pick alright for the record just based on those same stats based models liking him that liked Sengun.

It’s a pretty small sample size but I read that in his first 7 games of the season went 2/20 from three, then 27/79 to finish out the year. It is possible he made some improvement and maybe the 34% is somewhat more accurate for a baseline. That’s not great, but maybe there is some potential there.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/international/players/josh-giddey-1/gamelog/2021/nbl-australia/

Yep, started terribly. Last 2 games were randomly bad too, but think I remember Schlect saying on Thunder After Dark it was something he even addressed during interviews.
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Post#1598 » by retrobro90 » Sat Jul 31, 2021 4:07 am

Think I'm higher on JRE than the consensus here. He wouldn't have been my pick at #32 especially with some crazy value plays there at guard/forward with Mcbride/Butler/Cooper/Dosunmu/Herb Jones/Thor still available but he fits that Nova mold of someone who's gonna step in and understand how to fill a role quickly. Feels like we have 2 Kenrich Williams' now.
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Post#1599 » by retrobro90 » Sat Jul 31, 2021 4:28 am

Mann seems very boom or bust to me. I don't see him ever being a good defender and even though he's a great shooter I don't see his game as a role player who consistently plays off the ball and sprints off pin downs a la seth curry/reddick etc. Think the value is there if he's on the ball and given the green light to shoot pull ups especially w his range.
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