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Re: 2021 NBA Draft Thread

Posted: Tue Jun 1, 2021 5:55 pm
by Old Man Game
Assuming we're picking outside the top 5, if we were picking three or 4 years ago, I feel pretty certain Keon Johnson would be the pick right? Not a huge stretch since you see him mocked around 6-10 pretty regularly but something about his combo of high motor and elite athleticism plus so so skills just screams Presti pick of a few years ago. I don't think they'd even look at anyone else.
He sort of reminds me of Diallo. Explosive leaper with very mediocre skills.

I hope we've moved past this type of player.

Re: 2021 NBA Draft Thread

Posted: Tue Jun 8, 2021 9:55 am
by luciano-davidwesley
Hello guys, Hornets fan coming in peace. I think you guys have got a very bright future. I'm going to put two and two together here and assume you might be willing to trade up as you will have too many picks and you won't have enough roster spots in the future for all your picks.

I was just wondering what your thoughts would be regarding CHA trades #11 & #56 OR #57 to OKC for #18 and #35 and #36?

We get a few more shots at the dartboard in the early second round and still have a late first rounder.

You guys move up to #11 to try to take a better prospect.

Re: 2021 NBA Draft Thread

Posted: Tue Jun 8, 2021 10:50 am
by Dadouv47
luciano-davidwesley wrote:Hello guys, Hornets fan coming in peace. I think you guys have got a very bright future. I'm going to put two and two together here and assume you might be willing to trade up as you will have too many picks and you won't have enough roster spots in the future for all your picks.

I was just wondering what your thoughts would be regarding CHA trades #11 & #56 OR #57 to OKC for #18 and #35 and #36?

We get a few more shots at the dartboard in the early second round and still have a late first rounder.

You guys move up to #11 to try to take a better prospect.


Looks like fair value but I don't see why Charlotte would do this (only if they don't like the players available with their pick I guess)

Re: 2021 NBA Draft Thread

Posted: Tue Jun 8, 2021 2:12 pm
by ThunderBolt
I would do it but don't think it's the best move for Charlotte.

Re: 2021 NBA Draft Thread

Posted: Tue Jun 8, 2021 2:30 pm
by cjmcallist
luciano-davidwesley wrote:Hello guys, Hornets fan coming in peace. I think you guys have got a very bright future. I'm going to put two and two together here and assume you might be willing to trade up as you will have too many picks and you won't have enough roster spots in the future for all your picks.

I was just wondering what your thoughts would be regarding CHA trades #11 & #56 OR #57 to OKC for #18 and #35 and #36?

We get a few more shots at the dartboard in the early second round and still have a late first rounder.

You guys move up to #11 to try to take a better prospect.

Yep! I'd do it for sure.

It's the exact type of move I hope to make. Frankly, was hoping to be able to move a liiiiitle bit higher. Package #35/36 for like #20. Then package #18/20 and future pick for #9 or similar.

Re: 2021 NBA Draft Thread

Posted: Tue Jun 8, 2021 2:41 pm
by Devilanche
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luciano-davidwesley wrote:Hello guys, Hornets fan coming in peace. I think you guys have got a very bright future. I'm going to put two and two together here and assume you might be willing to trade up as you will have too many picks and you won't have enough roster spots in the future for all your picks.

I was just wondering what your thoughts would be regarding CHA trades #11 & #56 OR #57 to OKC for #18 and #35 and #36?

We get a few more shots at the dartboard in the early second round and still have a late first rounder.

You guys move up to #11 to try to take a better prospect.

I don’t see why Charlotte want do that but if Charlotte is in , I would throw in a future second I guess.

Jumping from 18 to 11 is huge .

Re: 2021 NBA Draft Thread

Posted: Wed Jun 9, 2021 5:34 pm
by retrobro90
Pivoting here but I just went back and rewatched two full Ignite games from this past season. I think people in general are really overthinking Kuminga and his shooting percentages. His skill level at his size/position is incredibly impressive. Some of the passes he makes considering how new he is to basketball are really really encouraging. After that first game I thought he was gonna be limited to making plays from a stand still either out of the post or triple threat position but he's making crazy bounce passes in transition and did more live dribble hits to his roll man on drives. The dynamism is there and he plays the most coveted position in the game. Not saying there's 0 concern on his efficiency but mechanically I see nothing unfixable with his J.

Re: 2021 NBA Draft Thread

Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2021 3:44 pm
by Old Man Game
I've been sort of up and down on Cade in terms of whether he's a lock to be an all star type of player. I have to say, after watching this pod he did with Reddick I feel significantly better in presuming beforehand this is a franchise cornerstone type of guy. The dude is just really smart, personable, clearly loves the game, understands the game. He's got that "it" factor that always seems to come across when you see elite level NBA players interviewed.


Watch on YouTube


Anyway we probably don't pick 1 so it won't matter to us. He probably spends the next 7-12 years in Houston but it'd be cool if it did work out for us to get him.

Re: 2021 NBA Draft Thread

Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2021 4:21 pm
by BlazersBroncos
Somewhat OT, but if OKC gets lucky and ends up #1 to take Cade I think a Kemba + 16 for Horford deal starts to make sense. You bring in a off ball shooter/scorer with SGA/Cade being primary ballhandlers and Walker is a good locker room guy to help build the culture. The use 16+18 to move up for Sengun.

G - Kemba Walker / Theo Maledon / Ty Jerome
G - Shai Gilgeous-Alexander / Lou Dort / Ty Jerome
F - Cade Cunningham / Kenrich Williams / Vit Krejci
F - Aleksej Pokusevski / Darius Bazley / Isaiah Roby
C - Alperen Sengun / MLE C / Moses Brown

Re: 2021 NBA Draft Thread

Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2021 12:53 am
by Dn4sty
BlazersBroncos wrote:Somewhat OT, but if OKC gets lucky and ends up #1 to take Cade I think a Kemba + 16 for Horford deal starts to make sense. You bring in a off ball shooter/scorer with SGA/Cade being primary ballhandlers and Walker is a good locker room guy to help build the culture. The use 16+18 to move up for Sengun.

G - Kemba Walker / Theo Maledon / Ty Jerome
G - Shai Gilgeous-Alexander / Lou Dort / Ty Jerome
F - Cade Cunningham / Kenrich Williams / Vit Krejci
F - Aleksej Pokusevski / Darius Bazley / Isaiah Roby
C - Alperen Sengun / MLE C / Moses Brown


I don’t like taking the ball out of SGA and presumably Cades hands and that is what kemba would end up doing. SGA plays more passive than I’d like already. Plus Kemba eats minutes that I’d rather give to Theo, Jerome, etc...

I’d have to really like the 16th pick or have a deal to move up from like 5 by including 16 and more in place.

Re: 2021 NBA Draft Thread

Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2021 12:53 am
by Dn4sty
I kinda like this deal.

OKC gets Lamb and pick 13
Indy gets 18.

Re: 2021 NBA Draft Thread

Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2021 1:11 pm
by Old Man Game
Realistically, SGA is a complicating factor for me as it pertains to Cade. I feel like they're both at their best when they have the ball and a chance to operate, though both are certainly capable catch and shoot guys I'm not clear if that's optimal for either. To be honest, if you think about the top 5 guys, Mobley and Kuminga might actually be better fits alongside SGA accordingly.

Re: 2021 NBA Draft Thread

Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2021 6:43 pm
by RunOKC
Dn4sty wrote:I kinda like this deal.

OKC gets Lamb and pick 13
Indy gets 18.

I'd love to do that deal, but no way Lamb is a negative value asset unless I'm missing something. 10.5m/1yr left on his deal; they could get a 2nd rounder or another player back for him probably without having to move down 5 spots

Re: 2021 NBA Draft Thread

Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2021 8:31 pm
by Dn4sty
RunOKC wrote:
Dn4sty wrote:I kinda like this deal.

OKC gets Lamb and pick 13
Indy gets 18.

I'd love to do that deal, but no way Lamb is a negative value asset unless I'm missing something. 10.5m/1yr left on his deal; they could get a 2nd rounder or another player back for him probably without having to move down 5 spots


Lots of posters on trade board have expressed the need for pacers to move Lamb so that they can have the space under the tax to bring back McBuckets and McConnell.

Re: 2021 NBA Draft Thread

Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2021 3:00 am
by ThunderBolt
Old Man Game wrote:Realistically, SGA is a complicating factor for me as it pertains to Cade. I feel like they're both at their best when they have the ball and a chance to operate, though both are certainly capable catch and shoot guys I'm not clear if that's optimal for either. To be honest, if you think about the top 5 guys, Mobley and Kuminga might actually be better fits alongside SGA accordingly.

I’ve told myself I’m not going to be disappointed with any top five guy and I’ll probably talk myself in to anyone else they draft if they fall outside that range. That being said, for better or worse, Shai isn’t Russ. He’s much more willing to defer, and maybe at times to a fault. I think every good player fits with shai. If they don’t fit, it’s their problem, not shai’s.

Re: 2021 NBA Draft Thread

Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2021 12:17 pm
by Old Man Game
ThunderBolt wrote:
Old Man Game wrote:Realistically, SGA is a complicating factor for me as it pertains to Cade. I feel like they're both at their best when they have the ball and a chance to operate, though both are certainly capable catch and shoot guys I'm not clear if that's optimal for either. To be honest, if you think about the top 5 guys, Mobley and Kuminga might actually be better fits alongside SGA accordingly.

I’ve told myself I’m not going to be disappointed with any top five guy and I’ll probably talk myself in to anyone else they draft if they fall outside that range. That being said, for better or worse, Shai isn’t Russ. He’s much more willing to defer, and maybe at times to a fault. I think every good player fits with shai. If they don’t fit, it’s their problem, not shai’s.


SGA seems like a solid dude. Not thinking he'd necessarily be a locker room problem if he isn't getting as many touches as he wants. But do you see him as a optimal fit next to Cade and Suggs? Like can any combo of SGA and Cade/Suggs/Green be a Lillard & McCollum or a Steph and Klay? Maybe they can I'm just not sure.

Re: 2021 NBA Draft Thread

Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2021 6:56 pm
by Best2EverDoIt
Cade, Green or bust. That's it for me. Mobley is nice too but Cade or Green are the main objectives. I have 0 doubt if we land say, the 5th pick, Presti will trade future assets to move up and select SGA's sidekick.

Re: 2021 NBA Draft Thread

Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2021 9:46 am
by Dadouv47
Best2EverDoIt wrote:Cade, Green or bust. That's it for me. Mobley is nice too but Cade or Green are the main objectives. I have 0 doubt if we land say, the 5th pick, Presti will trade future assets to move up and select SGA's sidekick.


I'm on board with you. Think a scorer like Green would be a perfect fit next to Shai.

Re: 2021 NBA Draft Thread

Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2021 1:03 pm
by ThunderBolt
Old Man Game wrote:
ThunderBolt wrote:
Old Man Game wrote:Realistically, SGA is a complicating factor for me as it pertains to Cade. I feel like they're both at their best when they have the ball and a chance to operate, though both are certainly capable catch and shoot guys I'm not clear if that's optimal for either. To be honest, if you think about the top 5 guys, Mobley and Kuminga might actually be better fits alongside SGA accordingly.

I’ve told myself I’m not going to be disappointed with any top five guy and I’ll probably talk myself in to anyone else they draft if they fall outside that range. That being said, for better or worse, Shai isn’t Russ. He’s much more willing to defer, and maybe at times to a fault. I think every good player fits with shai. If they don’t fit, it’s their problem, not shai’s.


SGA seems like a solid dude. Not thinking he'd necessarily be a locker room problem if he isn't getting as many touches as he wants. But do you see him as a optimal fit next to Cade and Suggs? Like can any combo of SGA and Cade/Suggs/Green be a Lillard & McCollum or a Steph and Klay? Maybe they can I'm just not sure.

I think any time elite scorers play on the same team, someone’s role is somewhat diminished. But that talent normally wins out over teams built like the jazz if it’s superstar lever guys. Like I said, I’m happy with whoever we get whether we have two superstars like the first generation of the thunder or build a team like that jazz.

Re: 2021 NBA Draft Thread

Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2021 9:15 pm
by thedoppelganger
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No Cade or Suggs listed as they'll probably have their own pro days/workouts, but basically every other American based prospect will be attending combine