Re: OKC Thunder Trades and Transaction Thread
Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2021 2:31 am
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getrichordie wrote:
Devilanche wrote:getrichordie wrote:
The numbers looks off at first glance . Why the 24m difference ?
getrichordie wrote:Devilanche wrote:getrichordie wrote:
The numbers looks off at first glance . Why the 24m difference ?
Practical cap space is what we would have if we waived non-gtd contracts plus renounced all cap holds. We have a lot of cap holds.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1pbWHTopePrJuCtEyPml3TPdbmpjbORdZ_LQs8CYqN_s/edit#gid=0
getrichordie wrote:
Devilanche wrote:getrichordie wrote:
Our TPEs have different expiry date not suppose to aggregate them .
Adams 27 : today
Ariza 12 , hills 10 : before trade deadline
Edit : I click the Twitter link . If you are referencing spotrac we have used up the Gallo TPE for favors . Only 380k left which make it practically unusable.
Jalen lecque 1.5m TPE is small these are generally used if we do have a trade on hand and need absorb a smallish salary. No GMs will seek out a trade to use such TPE given that no other gm will give asset to absorb 1.5’ in salary
Devilanche wrote:getrichordie wrote:Devilanche wrote:
The numbers looks off at first glance . Why the 24m difference ?
Practical cap space is what we would have if we waived non-gtd contracts plus renounced all cap holds. We have a lot of cap holds.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1pbWHTopePrJuCtEyPml3TPdbmpjbORdZ_LQs8CYqN_s/edit#gid=0
Cap space :salary cap - ( our guaranteed + dead cap ) ?
Practical cap is ?
Devilanche wrote:getrichordie wrote:
The numbers looks off at first glance . Why the 24m difference ?
getrichordie wrote:
Practical cap space is: (Salary Cap — Total Cap Holds) — (Non-Gtd. Money + Non-Draft Cap Holds + Active TPEs)
Cap Space is: Salary Cap - Total Cap Holds (Q.O.s, TPEs, Bird Rights, Guaranteed Money, Non-Guaranteed Money)
Devilanche wrote:getrichordie wrote:
Practical cap space is: (Salary Cap — Total Cap Holds) — (Non-Gtd. Money + Non-Draft Cap Holds + Active TPEs)
Cap Space is: Salary Cap - Total Cap Holds (Q.O.s, TPEs, Bird Rights, Guaranteed Money, Non-Guaranteed Money)
For all purpose those numbers doesn’t mean anything to OKC .
What I’m interested is are we operating as over the cap ? Assumption was always yes but I don’t think it’s announced anywhere . And if we are operating over the cap, can we switch to under the cap if we haven’t sign anyone new ?
Reason is because
Favors trade become official : 30 July https://www.nba.com/thunder/news/release-favors-210730
Kemba rumours of buyout : around the same period give or take 2 days from there ( I remember reading something about kemba and his agent wanting to meet Presti to discuss the future but I can’t pull out that article anymore )
Adams TPE : 9 august
If we have acted as over the cap with TPE that means now we have 12m Ariza TPE , 10m hill TPE and 9m-ish MLE
If we had acted as cap space team means we got around 30m-ish capspace and MLE(? I’m unsure on the MLE portion)
Not sure how likely Presti would have given up the Adams TPE for a bit more cap space and how it ties in to just how much kemba was giving up .
We can only receive proof of us acting as a cap space team if we absorb salary that is higher than either TPEs
getrichordie wrote:Devilanche wrote:getrichordie wrote:
Practical cap space is: (Salary Cap — Total Cap Holds) — (Non-Gtd. Money + Non-Draft Cap Holds + Active TPEs)
Cap Space is: Salary Cap - Total Cap Holds (Q.O.s, TPEs, Bird Rights, Guaranteed Money, Non-Guaranteed Money)
For all purpose those numbers doesn’t mean anything to OKC .
What I’m interested is are we operating as over the cap ? Assumption was always yes but I don’t think it’s announced anywhere . And if we are operating over the cap, can we switch to under the cap if we haven’t sign anyone new ?
Reason is because
Favors trade become official : 30 July https://www.nba.com/thunder/news/release-favors-210730
Kemba rumours of buyout : around the same period give or take 2 days from there ( I remember reading something about kemba and his agent wanting to meet Presti to discuss the future but I can’t pull out that article anymore )
Adams TPE : 9 august
If we have acted as over the cap with TPE that means now we have 12m Ariza TPE , 10m hill TPE and 9m-ish MLE
If we had acted as cap space team means we got around 30m-ish capspace and MLE(? I’m unsure on the MLE portion)
Not sure how likely Presti would have given up the Adams TPE for a bit more cap space and how it ties in to just how much kemba was giving up .
We can only receive proof of us acting as a cap space team if we absorb salary that is higher than either TPEs
Long story short, my understanding is that we are operating as an over the cap team but we have option of renouncing all holds to get under the cap, but really no reason to do so. Think about it like this: You have all of your cap holds, but you must pay your guaranteed contracts and dead cap. All other cap holds can be renounced (non-gtd contracts can be waived, TPEs, bird holds) to open up space and operate under the cap. But, again, there is really no reason to do so, unless we are going after a free agent with a sizeable deal, or want to restructure a contract or something to that affect.
See http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q26 for further clarification.
Devilanche wrote:getrichordie wrote:Devilanche wrote:For all purpose those numbers doesn’t mean anything to OKC .
What I’m interested is are we operating as over the cap ? Assumption was always yes but I don’t think it’s announced anywhere . And if we are operating over the cap, can we switch to under the cap if we haven’t sign anyone new ?
Reason is because
Favors trade become official : 30 July https://www.nba.com/thunder/news/release-favors-210730
Kemba rumours of buyout : around the same period give or take 2 days from there ( I remember reading something about kemba and his agent wanting to meet Presti to discuss the future but I can’t pull out that article anymore )
Adams TPE : 9 august
If we have acted as over the cap with TPE that means now we have 12m Ariza TPE , 10m hill TPE and 9m-ish MLE
If we had acted as cap space team means we got around 30m-ish capspace and MLE(? I’m unsure on the MLE portion)
Not sure how likely Presti would have given up the Adams TPE for a bit more cap space and how it ties in to just how much kemba was giving up .
We can only receive proof of us acting as a cap space team if we absorb salary that is higher than either TPEs
Long story short, my understanding is that we are operating as an over the cap team but we have option of renouncing all holds to get under the cap, but really no reason to do so. Think about it like this: You have all of your cap holds, but you must pay your guaranteed contracts and dead cap. All other cap holds can be renounced (non-gtd contracts can be waived, TPEs, bird holds) to open up space and operate under the cap. But, again, there is really no reason to do so, unless we are going after a free agent with a sizeable deal, or want to restructure a contract or something to that affect.
See http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q26 for further clarification.
After the Adams TPE expire. I think we have more in cap space than TPE left . With the added benefit that there’s no limit to salary we can take if we use capspace.