Trades?

london sonic · Post #1 » by **london sonic** » Wed Jul 30, 2008 10:57 am

Missed out on cj miles and jr smith a risk and offer will be matched anyway.Likelyhood is okc will not touch any of the restricted top S&T options.
Trading seems to be the best option to improve the team.We have a good young core of westbrook,green and durant plus four 1sts in the next two years.
But what else can we get ?
Wilcox is an expiring this year and rumors are were looking to trade him .Watson and Ridnour both are not needed who and what can we get for either or both.Wilkins is a ok back up but also could be dealt.Swift needs to be resigned or do we call it a day.Petro was starting to look a good solid backup center and should be kept.Sene was looking good in dleague and then got injured.Collison a solid 10-10 pf/c but what else.
My question who could we trade for and who should go.

SoupOrSonics · Post #2 » by **SoupOrSonics** » Fri Aug 1, 2008 3:42 am

What are you guys going to do with the seemingly endless supply of centers you have?

Post #3 » by **wizkid27** » Fri Aug 1, 2008 4:01 am

it's hard to do anything with any of them other than hope they turn into decent NBA players... Despite several high draft choices at the center position we're left with an unknown, a guy that is a servicable backup, and an injury risk (sene, petro, and swift respectively). It's hard to commit to one or any of them without seeing where they end up at and hard to justify getting rid of one without giving our team a decent shot at a contributing piece in the future.

london sonic · Post #4 » by **london sonic** » Fri Aug 1, 2008 11:21 am

Petro only currently healthy center started to look a good backup last year and should be kept.Swift the most promising has had numerous injuries and is a restricted free agent but if healthy needs a full season to see his worth now.Suggest offering cheap short term contract to invalute him.Sene was looking good in d.league but also injured long term.Its a tricky situation but none have hugh trade value so cant see any of them traded unless a good defensive big is aquired .

DWCP2 · Post #5 » by **DWCP2** » Fri Aug 1, 2008 7:35 pm

I'm curious as to what it would take from Indiana to pry Nick Collison away from you.

The Pacers have a handful of ending contracts in Baston, Daniels, Nesterovic, amongst a few others to use via trade as well as a 2.7 million exception.

Post #6 » by **wizkid27** » Fri Aug 1, 2008 9:28 pm

Personally, I really like Collison and wouldn't want to see him away for much less than what he is... a 9/9 big with a decent contract.

McG · Post #7 » by **McG** » Fri Aug 1, 2008 10:29 pm

wizkid27 wrote:it's hard to do anything with any of them other than hope they turn into decent NBA players... Despite several high draft choices at the center position we're left with an unknown, a guy that is a servicable backup, and an injury risk (sene, petro, and swift respectively). It's hard to commit to one or any of them without seeing where they end up at and hard to justify getting rid of one without giving our team a decent shot at a contributing piece in the future.

This is perhaps the worst generalization of the team's C pool that I have ever seen. Honestly, have you seen any of these guys play before? Sene may be unknown but he is just 22 and he won the NBDL Defensive Player of the Year Award last season. And Petro is the same age and has been a starter for much of his playing career. Calling Swift an 'injury risk' may be fair although I think you're completely disregarding the fact that this just has to do with ONE injury that he has never had a chance to fully recover from. Please reassess your opinion after you've seen these guys play a few times, or just simply refrain from answering questions you know nothing about.

Post #8 » by **wizkid27** » Sat Aug 2, 2008 7:58 am

I really disagree with you McG (obviously)... I have seen all 3 play a decent bit (probably more than most non-Seattle fans). I'm not trying to generalize them all into one bucket... They all have some distinctly different advantages and disadvantages. All 3 are definitely young and unproven, I don't think there's any way to dispute that. Sene has shown raw flashes of skill, and could be good. Petro has shown that he can play in the NBA, imo, but not neccessarily be the starting center for a club (at least on a decent team). Swift, while probably the most skilled at this point, has yet to get much court time. While this is mainly due to ONE injury issue, it has been a very large issue that has held him to well under one season's worth of games in his first 4 in the league.

Overall my point is that none of these guys have shown the NBA as a whole that they can play at a high enough level to trade them and get much back in return. I am not saying that they do not have value, only that the potential value to our team is MUCH higher than anything we could get for any or all of them at this point.

McG · Post #9 » by **McG** » Sun Aug 3, 2008 1:53 am

wizkid27 wrote:I really disagree with you McG (obviously)... I have seen all 3 play a decent bit (probably more than most non-Seattle fans). I'm not trying to generalize them all into one bucket... They all have some distinctly different advantages and disadvantages. All 3 are definitely young and unproven, I don't think there's any way to dispute that. Sene has shown raw flashes of skill, and could be good. Petro has shown that he can play in the NBA, imo, but not neccessarily be the starting center for a club (at least on a decent team). Swift, while probably the most skilled at this point, has yet to get much court time. While this is mainly due to ONE injury issue, it has been a very large issue that has held him to well under one season's worth of games in his first 4 in the league.

Overall my point is that none of these guys have shown the NBA as a whole that they can play at a high enough level to trade them and get much back in return. I am not saying that they do not have value, only that the potential value to our team is MUCH higher than anything we could get for any or all of them at this point.

I don't know what you are (obviously) disagreeing with. All I'm saying is that your player evaluations have absolutely no substance. For instance, you could have mentioned that Petro is more of a 4 than a 5, but that isn't something that (at this point) you seem to grasp. And I'm not sure what 'raw flashes of skill' you may have seen from Sene, unless you have an NBDL pass that is. Swift has only had injury problems over the past 2 seasons, and last season's issues can be blamed entirely on the coaching staff encouraging him to gain weight and then rushing him back before he was fully healthy. I'd go into more detail but I think it would be more beneficial for you (not to mention fun!) to actually watch them play and develop your own opinions. That is all.

Post #10 » by **wizkid27** » Sun Aug 3, 2008 7:29 am

I hope you don't feel like I'm just putting out other people's opinions here. I've watched the sonics with one eye the past couple of years, with the hopes that they'd be in OKC (so I saw Petro a decent bit... and Swift a decent bit less). As well as having the blessing of NBA tv and some random highlights on the web, I got to see some of Sene. I'm not claiming to have seen every bit of ball these guys have played, or even as much as any of the big-time Sonics fans. But I'm also not just writing what I've read in other places.

What it still comes down to for me is that all 3 of these guys COULD have a future with the franchise, in a fairly significant way, and at this point, I do not feel that we could replace that by trading one or all of them to other teams who would not give us due value in return.

I do very much look forward to watching these 3 (and all of the others play). I agree that I will definitely develop a better understanding of where these guys are at and where they could be, but I feel like I've got a decent enough grasp of that at this point to know that I wouldn't trade any of them to other teams that don't see much value in them.

Great · Post #11 » by **Great** » Sun Aug 3, 2008 11:16 pm

IMO, looking at the roster my thoughts are at PG and PF.

Ridnour or Watson should go. Wilcox should be sent away. For me draft picks or trade exceptions would be sufficient. Why mess up cap space.

I'm not sure what Marshall or Griffin are still doing on the roster. Both need to be bought out so they can join a contender. They will be totally unmotivated.

It's time to take the training wheels off. Swift, Sene, and Petro are all at least 3 years deep this year. One of them should emerge as a force of some kind or get gone.

I'd fill the rest of the roster with spots 10-14 with D-League players who can fill a need:
Shooter, Scorer, Defender, Rebounder, Low post presence.

These guys will play hard as heck. Team will come into OKC and have a fight everytime.

Finally Kevin Durant, Kevin Durant, Kevin Durant. Outside, inside. Off screens, iso. Ride the horse.

bmw42690 · Post #12 » by **bmw42690** » Mon Aug 4, 2008 2:54 pm

I can definitely see Wilcox and Ridnour traded at some point this year.

While I would love to add more young talent to this group, i would also like to see a veteran that can provide some leadership added to this team. With Durant, Green, Westbrook, White, and the 3 centers, most, if not all of these young guys will get a decent amount of playing time. I'm not saying go get someone who is about to retire but someone in their low 30's that can play a bit and at the same time help these guys out.

oksportsguy · Post #13 » by **oksportsguy** » Mon Aug 4, 2008 3:14 pm

Sam Presti was on the Sports Blitz last night, gave us a little bit of an idea what they are going to do.

http://www.news9.com/Global/category.asp?C=122486&nav=menu681_5_2

Great · Post #14 » by **Great** » Mon Aug 4, 2008 5:39 pm

I'm just not sure what veteran who is over 27 will be motivated to play for OKC. Winning it all is not likely.

IMO, with one of the PG's, Collison, and Wilkins they have enough vets.

Joe Jackson · Post #15 » by **Joe Jackson** » Tue Aug 5, 2008 2:56 am

Great wrote:I'm just not sure what veteran who is over 27 will be motivated to play for OKC. Winning it all is not likely.

IMO, with one of the PG's, Collison, and Wilkins they have enough vets.

How about Wilcox and Petro to Chi for Ben Gordon?

Joe Jackson · Post #16 » by **Joe Jackson** » Tue Aug 5, 2008 3:04 am

This board is a worthless POS junk.
I wrote three pretty detailed posts covering that Wilcox for Gordon idea and this mf just ate them before I could get it to post just that short one sentence note.

Since they recently upgraded this board it works like crap. In their effort to try to cram more advertising down our throat they have the posting and operating s/w all SNAFUed.

Great · Post #17 » by **Great** » Tue Aug 5, 2008 3:40 am

Joe Jackson wrote:
Great wrote:I'm just not sure what veteran who is over 27 will be motivated to play for OKC. Winning it all is not likely.

IMO, with one of the PG's, Collison, and Wilkins they have enough vets.

How about Wilcox and Petro to Chi for Ben Gordon?

Thats a good idea. Only downside is that Petro is the best of the centers so far.

Still, really helps OKC.

Joe Jackson · Post #18 » by **Joe Jackson** » Tue Aug 5, 2008 4:03 am

Well, Gordon can definately be available and the Bulls could use Wilcox scoring help at both the 4 and 5 position and Petro could battle it out with Noah for the long term job as the Bulls starting Center.
The biggest problem is Gordon will be BYC and then meeting his contract demands to begin with. He is a little delusional about his own value.

But having Gordon the OKC's could move Durant to SF where he belongs and see if Green can go full time at the 4. An offense of Westbrook, Gordon, Durant, Green and Collison in the middle backed up by whoever would be pretty damn potent when they got into sync.

Mainly it lets Durant play his natural position. No doubt he can play just fine at SG, but it is just sorta stupid to have your franchise player and very likely superstar playing out of position.

The Bulls have a real dilemma with what to do with Gordon and his contract so I think Presti should get involved and see what can be done. I think adding another player of lesser value on the Bulls side and then using some of the TPE from the Orlando deal could get by the BYC problem if you could agree on a contract with Gordon in the first place.
I don't think it should take a draft choice, but if the Bulls wanted more I'm sure if OKC added a draft choice, maybe lottery protected, that would get the deal done.

McG · Post #19 » by **McG** » Tue Aug 5, 2008 9:38 pm

Joe Jackson wrote:How about Wilcox and Petro to Chi for Ben Gordon?

Great idea. Considering that the Bulls only have Tyrus Thomas, Joakim Noah, Drew Gooden, Aaron Gray, (sometimes) Andres Nocioni and (will soon have) Omer Asik at the 4 and 5 they definitely need frontcourt help. Wait a minute....

Leto · Post #20 » by **Leto** » Tue Aug 5, 2008 9:56 pm

Joe Jackson wrote:
Great wrote:I'm just not sure what veteran who is over 27 will be motivated to play for OKC. Winning it all is not likely.

IMO, with one of the PG's, Collison, and Wilkins they have enough vets.

How about Wilcox and Petro to Chi for Ben Gordon?

As a Bulls fan, I would definately be interested in that trade. The Bulls are thin up front so it seems like a good fit. The only question would be what OKC is willing to pay Gordon. I think he could be had for 11 per or maybe a touch less.