OKC in Cavs/Bucks deal

Rywall · Post #1 » by **Rywall** » Mon Aug 11, 2008 6:15 pm

The Cavaliers are reportedly interested in acquiring point guard Mo Williams from the Bucks, according to The News-Herald.

A league source claims that details of a proposed detail aren't known, but Cleveland, Milwaukee and Oklahoma City are rumored to be involved.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Any ideas what OKC could be doing in this trade

Post #2 » by **wizkid27** » Mon Aug 11, 2008 6:33 pm

I would guess that OKC's position in this deal would be minor, maybe for cap purposes and pick up a 2nd rounder for thier trouble.

ljp24 · Post #3 » by **ljp24** » Mon Aug 11, 2008 7:20 pm

Good deal for the Cavs.

carmelbrownqueen · Post #4 » by **carmelbrownqueen** » Mon Aug 11, 2008 10:37 pm

Most Milwaukee fans are guessing that we are attempting to trade for Earl Watson or Earl Watson and one of your bigs (Collison or Wilcox).

ETA: Also some are guessing that perhaps we might attempt to send Charlie Villanueva to either OKC or Cleveland, and possibly Desmond Mason back to OKC. Since there still isn't a lot being confirmed right now, nobody knows for sure.

bmw42690 · Post #5 » by **bmw42690** » Mon Aug 11, 2008 11:57 pm

I wouldn't be surprised if Mason is sent back here to OKC. I've been wondering if a trade bringing him here would surface. Part of the reason the Hornets brought him here I think was to draw fan support since he played up the road in Stillwater. He actually was a decent pick up for them(especially for what they gave up). Maybe a deal alot like the Hornets made? Wilcox or Collison for Mason and a draft pick? Add fillers where needed.

carmelbrownqueen · Post #6 » by **carmelbrownqueen** » Tue Aug 12, 2008 12:41 am

bmw42690 wrote:I wouldn't be surprised if Mason is sent back here to OKC. I've been wondering if a trade bringing him here would surface. Part of the reason the Hornets brought him here I think was to draw fan support since he played up the road in Stillwater. He actually was a decent pick up for them(especially for what they gave up). Maybe a deal alot like the Hornets made? Wilcox or Collison for Mason and a draft pick? Add fillers where needed.

Doubtful that we would give up a draft pick for Wilcox or Collison, not saying it's impossible but I highly doubt it.

I'm thinking if Desmond Mason is traded back to your team it would as part of that bigger trade where we ship Mo Williams to Cleveland, and get back a PG & PF. This deal is legit its just the pieces most are unsure about. I could definitely see us sending CV and Mason to a team as part of this three team deal though.

london sonic · Post #7 » by **london sonic** » Tue Aug 12, 2008 1:32 am

now the Weavers on board OKC could definately be involved.Maybe its a expiring and a 2nd to replace the NJ 2nd we gave to the hornets.

bmw42690 · Post #8 » by **bmw42690** » Tue Aug 12, 2008 1:57 am

I was just saying that could be part of the deal. The Bucks did do that same trade for Jamaal Magloire

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sonic-ben · Post #9 » by **sonic-ben** » Tue Aug 12, 2008 3:05 am

carmelbrownqueen wrote:Most Milwaukee fans are guessing that we are attempting to trade for Earl Watson or Earl Watson and one of your bigs (Collison or Wilcox).

ETA: Also some are guessing that perhaps we might attempt to send Charlie Villanueva to either OKC or Cleveland, and possibly Desmond Mason back to OKC. Since there still isn't a lot being confirmed right now, nobody knows for sure.

Make room for younger guys to play!

JO_CB_FTW · Post #10 » by **JO_CB_FTW** » Tue Aug 12, 2008 3:08 am

sonic-ben wrote:
carmelbrownqueen wrote:Most Milwaukee fans are guessing that we are attempting to trade for Earl Watson or Earl Watson and one of your bigs (Collison or Wilcox).

ETA: Also some are guessing that perhaps we might attempt to send Charlie Villanueva to either OKC or Cleveland, and possibly Desmond Mason back to OKC. Since there still isn't a lot being confirmed right now, nobody knows for sure.

Make room for younger guys to play!

Lol, you like fast and atlethic players eh.

Rywall · Post #11 » by **Rywall** » Wed Aug 13, 2008 6:14 pm

Three-Way Deal Stalled
Mo Williams | Bucks
League sources told ESPN The Magazine's Ric Bucher the Bucks are weighing a three-way deal that would send Mo Williams to Cleveland, Joe Smith to Oklahoma City and Luke Ridnour to Milwaukee.
Sources now say that Cleveland is balking at taking on Williams' contract. OKC and Milwaukee are ready to do the deal. The trade is not dead, but I'm told as of right now it has stalled.

Cleveland had some interest in Williams last summer, and the Miami Heat made him an offer, but he chose to stay with the Bucks.
The Cavaliers have been unable to come to a contract agreement with point guard Delonte West, who is a restricted free agent this summer, and he could be part of the deal in a sign-and-trade, according to reports. -- Milwaukee Journal Sentinel

Rywall · Post #12 » by **Rywall** » Wed Aug 13, 2008 6:20 pm

Seems like OKC is just trying to cut costs. Smith has 1y 4mil left. Ridnour has 2 y 6.5 mil.

I was hoping that they would be able to squeeze a second rounder from either team, but oh well.

Rywall · Post #13 » by **Rywall** » Wed Aug 13, 2008 6:48 pm

update .
Cavs get
Mo wWilliams 5Y, 40+ mil
Bucks get
Damon jones, 1y 4.4 mil
Luke ridnour 2y 6.5 mil
Adrian griffin 1y 1.7 mil
OKC get
Joe Smith, 1y 4.7 mil
Desmond mason 1y 5.3 mil

london sonic · Post #14 » by **london sonic** » Wed Aug 13, 2008 7:34 pm

its a done deal des mason and joe smith excellent deal by presti both expirings

Post #15 » by **wizkid27** » Wed Aug 13, 2008 8:12 pm

what is the "update" based on? Did you hear it somewhere?

Interesting enough. I think even though Mason is from OSU, there isn't a huge push to bring him back to Oklahoma... I know a lot of Hornets fans were frustrated with him by the time he left town.

bmw42690 · Post #16 » by **bmw42690** » Wed Aug 13, 2008 8:21 pm

Not only are they expirings but they can come in and help out as well. This is a great deal. Well done Presti

tigrao · Post #17 » by **tigrao** » Wed Aug 13, 2008 9:10 pm

You guys did well in this trade, Joe Smith helped the Cavs out quite a bit last year. He was their only power foward who could score and defend. He did a good job on Garnett and hit some clutch 15 footers.

Mason is also an experienced vet. Both players are the type that can fit in on any team and they are expirings.

Also you guys don't need Ridnour.

Milwaukee dumped some salary but could have done better.

Cleveland is taking the biggest gamble. Mo has a big salary and scored 17ppg on a losing team. Mike James lit it up for Toronto but that didn't translate into success in Houston or elsewhere. Mo could be the scoring point Cleveland needs or he can be the next Mike James

Rywall · Post #18 » by **Rywall** » Thu Aug 14, 2008 1:07 am

But regardless of whether you think Cleveland or Milwaukee got the better end of the Williams exchange, one thing is absolutely for certain: Oklahoma City made out like a bandit.

OKC traded Ridnour and Griffin for Mason and Smith, straight up. When you trade two-for-two like that, you aren't supposed to get rid of the two worst and get the two best in return. Somehow, the Okies did. Dumping Ridnour is especially sweet because he had two years and $13 million left on his deal and wasn't going to play this year; I had suspected they would have to pay somebody to take him, not the other way around.

Instead, Oklahoma City somehow walked away from this trade with two decent players, also managing to shave $6.6 million off its payroll and set itself up to be as much as $30 million under the cap next summer.

And there's more to come. Oklahoma City can turn around and deal Smith and Mason at the trade deadline, or even earlier, and get a draft pick in return for an expiring contract of a less valuable player. Doing so would echo last year's maneuver with Kurt Thomas, when the artists formerly known as the Sonics got two first-round picks from Phoenix as a reward for taking Thomas, then a third one when they flipped him at the trade deadline.

Add it all up and the logic works for me for just two of the three parties. Cleveland upgrades its shaky point guard spot and makes nice with its star player, and Oklahoma City basically turns nothing into something by unloading Ridnour for two useful players.

Milwaukee? I'm still puzzled by that end of it, and at the end of the day, it appears the Bucks dumped one of their best players for pennies on the dollar.

John Hollinger writes for ESPN Insider.

bmw42690 · Post #19 » by **bmw42690** » Thu Aug 14, 2008 2:08 am

I dont get what the Bucks are doing here. I think they might as well trade Michael Redd and just completely rebuild. The Cavs got want they wanted without giving up much at all (they have Hickson to replace Smith). We get the best part: 2 guys with expirings that can help us out.

london sonic · Post #20 » by **london sonic** » Thu Aug 14, 2008 12:01 pm

Bucks had enough of Williams and really like Ridnour.The market was also not good for them to deal him.For two years with Williams they won nothing and it was aparent Mo was not their PG of the future.Although offensively Mo is good he is not a team player and had defensive liabilities.I think the Bucks see Ridnour with a fresh start can capture the form of his early years and deliver a more team oriented performance.