Our dilemma with Westbrook

KD_Stan · Post #1 » by **KD_Stan** » Fri Feb 27, 2009 10:44 pm

I am absolutely convinced that he is no PG and if he ever does turn into one it will be a long, slow, gradual process that will take like 4 years. Unfortunately we have this guy named Durant who is ready to win now and every single year wasted from this day forward trying to develop a PG that prevents him from getting better as well as the team from getting any more wins is a waste and cannot be tolerated. Durant is the cornerstone of this franchise and is ready for the big time as we speak. It is time we build this team accordingly. I cannot stand to see any more of his years wasted like this. Russell needs to move over to the SG and we need a legitimate, above average facilitator of the offense and someone that will understand that his role is to set up KD and make him better. Russell does not get this and/or is unable to do it.

My concern is that though RW is big and athletic for PG, he is a tweener for SG. So at either position he will be a problem for us. We could maybe afford to get away with him at SG if only we didnt have yet another player at a different position being a tweener for his position, which is what green is at PF. However, unlike RW green compensates for his tweenerosity and between those two I take Green all day everyday.

Westbrook either needs to become our Barbosa off the bench or used as trade bait to nab us a REALLY good player that actually fits a need.

Lets eat some hammerhead shark caviar, wash it down with Hennessey, and talk about it my people......

TheOGJabroni · Post #2 » by **TheOGJabroni** » Fri Feb 27, 2009 11:00 pm

In four years, Durant will be 24. I think OKC can have the patience to wait for Russell considering at 24, most players are not even at their prime yet.

KD_Stan · Post #3 » by **KD_Stan** » Fri Feb 27, 2009 11:10 pm

I understand your point of view but I am now starting to sense frustration in KD's eyes during games. The suckiness levels of RW and his team in general is overwhelming. He is dominant at what he does but no one else besides green on this team is capable of doing anythiong other than getting dominated by the opposing team.

And 4 years of amazing play by KD is a huge waste.

PerkinsFor3 · Post #4 » by **PerkinsFor3** » Sat Feb 28, 2009 3:38 am

youre just a kevin durant stan who doesnt want to see another player star/take away shots on this team :lol:

wiff · Post #5 » by **wiff** » Sat Feb 28, 2009 3:51 am

First off I'd like to say you might need to take a breath on Westbrook. Sure the kid isn't a pass first PG and he needs some maturity. I'm not going to argue that point.

You do realize two years ago as a freshman at UCLA he was averaging 3pts a game.

I'd say he has improved as much as anyone in the last two years. What makes you think he isn't going to continue to grow as a player?

I'd say give the kid one more year to learn the PG before you want to move him to the Sg spot. Sure it might take him another 4 years before he fully matures into a pg but it's not like the kid doesn't bring you anything else on the court.

PerkinsFor3 · Post #6 » by **PerkinsFor3** » Sat Feb 28, 2009 3:54 am

show me a list of players wo not only made a good impression in their first year in the nba as a pg, but also in the first year playing pg? very few.

Post #7 » by **wizkid27** » Sat Feb 28, 2009 4:05 am

wiff wrote:I'd say he has improved as much as anyone in the last two years. What makes you think he isn't going to continue to grow as a player?

Exactly... this kid definitely has his weaknesses (some glaring ones) at this point. But his learning/improvement curve has been ridiculous over the last couple of years. Before you right off a player (almost any player, not just a top 4 pick that has been very impressive in several areas), you've gotta give the guy one NBA offseason to see how he works on his game, how he targets his weaknesses, etc.

Even more than Durant, Green did a great job this offseason of finding his weaknesses, seeing which ones the team needed him to address most of all, and working on them (rebounding and 3 point shooting, IMO). I imagine that all 3 of these VERY impressive players will approach this offseason in that same manner and come back with a few new facets of their game.

Mark C · Post #8 » by **Mark C** » Sat Feb 28, 2009 6:08 am

KD, I agree with most of teh others on here: show a little patience. Hes, 20 and still his numbers as good or bertter than Greens as a rook. Both Green and Duran improved remarkable from their rookies seasons. Alot of teh complaints against Dirant his rookie year was that he rushed shots, looked out of place and was awkward.

Too, remember, Westbrook wasnt recruited real heavily out of highschool unlike Rose and Mayo, so his improvement over the past 4 years is astounding. Hes only many peoples boards as teh number 1 or 2 rookie of the year. His shot is eratic right now but I think his there is still time for his smarts to catch up with his athleticism wihc is unique. I think there is a very good chance for him to becoem one of the more dynamic player in the league.

Please, show patience, brother.

london sonic · Post #9 » by **london sonic** » Sat Feb 28, 2009 10:13 am

Day by day Rubio looks very likely to be in this years draft Rubio alongside Westbrook wouldnt be bad .My question now if we luck out with the number1 pick do we pick Griffin,Harden and Griffin.

PerkinsFor3 · Post #10 » by **PerkinsFor3** » Sat Feb 28, 2009 11:33 am

anybody who picks first gets griffin and no one else

also drafting rubio would give you a backcourt which doesnt have great range.

sonic-ben · Post #11 » by **sonic-ben** » Sat Feb 28, 2009 2:01 pm

Gary Payton ... people wanted to trade ... yet He will be a Hall a Famer

KD_Stan · Post #12 » by **KD_Stan** » Sat Feb 28, 2009 5:23 pm

loot wrote:youre just a kevin durant stan who doesnt want to see another player star/take away shots on this team

I would love for westbrook to take 100% of KD's shots away and render him useless and relegated to the bench if need be as long as it translaes to wins for OKC.

Ufortunately westbrook is an obstacle for OKC getting wins.

Now make another bitter post with smiley faces.

PerkinsFor3 · Post #13 » by **PerkinsFor3** » Sat Feb 28, 2009 6:17 pm

KD_Stan wrote:
loot wrote:youre just a kevin durant stan who doesnt want to see another player star/take away shots on this team

I would love for westbrook to take 100% of KD's shots away and render him useless and relegated to the bench if need be as long as it translaes to wins for OKC.

Ufortunately westbrook is an obstacle for OKC getting wins.

Now make another bitter post with smiley faces.

You were so quiet with the hate when Westbrook forced ot yesterday.

TheOGJabroni · Post #14 » by **TheOGJabroni** » Sat Feb 28, 2009 6:26 pm

I am a HUGE Rubio guy, but no way is he a solution for OKC. A 6'3 backcourt is not a measure for success.

KD_Stan · Post #15 » by **KD_Stan** » Sat Feb 28, 2009 6:29 pm

precisely why u trade westbrook and keep rubio.

westbrook could nab us a darn good SG.

do it presti!

meow!

Post #16 » by **wizkid27** » Sat Feb 28, 2009 6:52 pm

KD_Stan wrote:precisely why u trade westbrook and keep rubio.

westbrook could nab us a darn good SG.

do it presti!

meow!

I thought your idea was trade Westbrook FOR Rubio??

If you're going down that line of thinking, I would say that you've gotta wish for Harden out of the Thunder's pick and hope that another team towards the top of the draft will give us Rubio for Westbrook (which I would guess that most would).

L&H_05 · Post #17 » by **L&H_05** » Sun Mar 1, 2009 6:37 am

Cavs fan here and UCLA grad who comes with an unbiased opinion.. I'm not a UCLA homer at all... With that said, I can't believe some of the negativity I read in a couple threads about Westbrook...

There is not another guard I would take in this past draft over him.. Eric Gordon maybe ? But, Westbrook's upside IMO is far greater than anyone else in this past draft and that obviously includes Mayo and Rose... The guy is not even tapping the surface of his potential yet..

He's been damn impressive as a rookie..

KD_Stan · Post #18 » by **KD_Stan** » Sun Mar 1, 2009 7:16 am

you are wrong young laddie. I am right.

Westbrook is getting by on a skill level of 2.3 on a scale of ten just because of his athleticism.

His game is just running around frantically like a chicken with its head cut off.

This is not the PG I will ever wanna go into a 7 game series in.

Meow!

Canomad · Post #19 » by **Canomad** » Sun Mar 1, 2009 9:11 am

dilemma with westbrook? no dilemma. he is giving you almost 16 pts and 5 ast per as a rookie. you think he assist number wont go up and he wont cut down on his turnovers? thats crazy hes only going to be better next year. so will green and durant. westbrook has exceeded expectations this year. he is a point guard. him playing erratic will go away with seasoning and coaching. i expect alot of it to go away next year. the thunder are one of my favorite teams. but you act like they are ready to win now. they are not! its going to take a couple years. by then dont be suprised if westbrook is an allstar along with kevin durant.

OzThunder · Post #20 » by **OzThunder** » Sun Mar 1, 2009 12:43 pm

dude...he's averaged over 15-5-5 in his first season, joining these people as the only person to do it.
Anfernee Hardaway, Grant Hill, Steve Francis, LeBron James, Chris Paul.

Also he's already elite in the open floor and is a above average defender.

He gets to the rack and his jumper is improving. When he matures he'll level his head and be a really good player...