Bosh for pick and Green
Posted: Tue May 5, 2009 6:30 pm
If you get a top 2 pick in draft would you guys consider a trade of
Chris Bosh
for
Jeff green
draft pick
Chris Bosh
for
Jeff green
draft pick
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Re: Bosh for pick and Green
Posted: Tue May 5, 2009 7:29 pm
I wouldn't do the deal because it adds money to the cap and answers none of the problems that really plagued this team (interior defense and perimeter shooting)
Re: Bosh for pick and Green
Posted: Tue May 5, 2009 8:10 pm
*sigh*
Look, Bosh is a nice player and all but he does not fit into our plans at all, he hardly compliments Durant because he plays out on the perimeter, he's not a monster rebounder, nore is he a defensive game changer.
Add this all to the possibility that he could leave AND that this trade proposal has been beaten to death millions of times already (all which have been turned down) then you got yourself a no.
Look, Bosh is a nice player and all but he does not fit into our plans at all, he hardly compliments Durant because he plays out on the perimeter, he's not a monster rebounder, nore is he a defensive game changer.
Add this all to the possibility that he could leave AND that this trade proposal has been beaten to death millions of times already (all which have been turned down) then you got yourself a no.
Re: Bosh for pick and Green
Posted: Wed May 6, 2009 12:35 am
Mr. Marley,
You have been here since November 13, 2002. You should realize that maybe, possibly you should read prior threads responding to the same exact trade. There have been plenty on the trade board. here is a link http://www.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=900314
Here is Wiff's break down response which really explains the OKC stance
You have been here since November 13, 2002. You should realize that maybe, possibly you should read prior threads responding to the same exact trade. There have been plenty on the trade board. here is a link http://www.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=900314
Here is Wiff's break down response which really explains the OKC stance
wiff wrote:Man can we puuuleeeaaase let the Bosh to OKC die already.
It actually costs them much more than simply Green and the #4.
Because when Bosh gets extended of his current contract he is going to be making an insane amount of money.
Yes Bosh is obviously by far the best player in this deal. But when Green is making 3.4mil, 4.5mil and 5.9mil over the next three years and Bosh will be making 15.8mil, 17.1mil, 18.6mil, and it continues to go up. That's a little difference in 37.7mil more you have to pay for Bosh over the next three years.
Or another way you can put it 12.1mil a year.
OKC is not NY.
Green averaged 17pts and 7rebs last year, not bad numbers for a second year player.
Bosh averaged 23pts and 10rebs. Fantastic numbers.
But Green is only in his second year would it shock anyone to see his numbers get a little better?
Would one more bucket and one more board be out of the question?
So is 19pts and 8rebs be too big of a stretch to see Green reach?
So then you have to ask yourself is 37.7mil worth paying for about 4pts and 2rebs a game over the next three years, along with giving up a top 5 pick?
As an owner in a small market there is no way I'd give up that much coin for 4 to 5 points a game and a couple rebounds.
I'd rather take that extra coin and throw it at Ben Gordon, keep the pick and hang on to Green instead of simply putting it all in Bosh's bank account.
Then you have to take into account that during Bosh's extension both Durant and Westbrook will be free agents. Think Durant is going to be looking to get the max? And yes OKC is going to offer him max money to try to keep him there. OKC is simply not the kind of market that can afford three max contracts so see ya later Westbrook. OKC can't afford you anymore.
Bosh's extended contract is a team wrecker for a small market team.
Is Bosh a nice player? Absolutely, but the bottom line OKC can afford other pieces after they pay Bosh that kind of money.
Look at the T-Wolves, what kind of job did they do surrounding KG with talent after he got his 20mil contract?
Bosh=too expensive.
Now can we please let this Bosh to OKC simply die?
Re: Bosh for pick and Green
Posted: Wed May 6, 2009 4:38 am
I still agree with wiff 
Re: Bosh for pick and Green
Posted: Thu May 7, 2009 8:21 pm
Wait you guys are going to boot Westbrook when his contract is up?
Re: Bosh for pick and Green
Posted: Thu May 7, 2009 8:38 pm
how can you not do this deal? bosh is light years beyond anything jeff green will ever be on a basketball court, and certainly better than thabeet or anyone else the thunder will draft at #3 or lower.
once again there's this oversimplification of production that makes you value jeff green as something close to chris bosh, just like the westbrook / roy comparison.
this is ridiculous. bosh has had four consecutive years of 22+ PER, a level of production jeff green is unlikely to reach. he's a vastly superior (although not dominant) defender, and pretty much the best franchise power forward that could be considered currently available within reason.
a foundation of westbrook / durant / bosh is would be great, just plug a couple defensive minded players at G/F and it might even get you somewhere.
furthermore, this line of reasoning that "okc is small market can't pay the salaries" makes no sense in this context. jeff green is going to get way overpaid whenever his rookie deal expires, you're advocating signing ben gordon (not a terrible move) who will get 10m+ a year, and the draft pick in a terrible draft is going to need to be resigned down the line as well. i'd take chris bosh over gordon / any pick not named griffin or rubio / green any day of the week.
you need three stars and role players to win in the nba. westbrook/durant/bosh would be a tremendous core, even if westbrook ends up at SG, that's all the offense you'll need out of the starters. thabo could even start in that lineup and it wouldn't be such a bad thing.
**EDIT** i just noticed it said top 2 pick and green for bosh. i still think the bulk of this post applies, but i probably wouldn't trade griffin/green for bosh.
once again there's this oversimplification of production that makes you value jeff green as something close to chris bosh, just like the westbrook / roy comparison.
wiff wrote:Would one more bucket and one more board be out of the question?
this is ridiculous. bosh has had four consecutive years of 22+ PER, a level of production jeff green is unlikely to reach. he's a vastly superior (although not dominant) defender, and pretty much the best franchise power forward that could be considered currently available within reason.
a foundation of westbrook / durant / bosh is would be great, just plug a couple defensive minded players at G/F and it might even get you somewhere.
furthermore, this line of reasoning that "okc is small market can't pay the salaries" makes no sense in this context. jeff green is going to get way overpaid whenever his rookie deal expires, you're advocating signing ben gordon (not a terrible move) who will get 10m+ a year, and the draft pick in a terrible draft is going to need to be resigned down the line as well. i'd take chris bosh over gordon / any pick not named griffin or rubio / green any day of the week.
you need three stars and role players to win in the nba. westbrook/durant/bosh would be a tremendous core, even if westbrook ends up at SG, that's all the offense you'll need out of the starters. thabo could even start in that lineup and it wouldn't be such a bad thing.
**EDIT** i just noticed it said top 2 pick and green for bosh. i still think the bulk of this post applies, but i probably wouldn't trade griffin/green for bosh.
Re: Bosh for pick and Green
Posted: Fri May 8, 2009 2:42 am
My biggest motivation in this all is that I think a frontcourt of Durant/Green/Thabeet would compliment each other extremely well. I wouldn't do the originally posted trade even if it said "top 3 pick" instead of top 2. I'm not a huge fan of Bosh and Green is one of my favorite players (therefore, admitting my personal bias). However, my ultimate bias is that we win the most games possible, and therefore I think a lineup of Thabeet/Green/Durant/Thabo/Weaver has more long term potential than Krstic/Bosh/Durant/Thabo/Westbrook. Obviously the guard that isn't Westbrook could be different in either of those lineups, but the point is I'd rather have Green and Thabeet in the frontcourt with Durant than Bosh and whoever we can put there with him.
Re: Bosh for pick and Green
Posted: Fri May 15, 2009 12:07 am
I like the deal for both teams.
Westbrook
--
Durant
Bosh
Gortat
Westbrook
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Durant
Bosh
Gortat
Re: Bosh for pick and Green
Posted: Tue May 19, 2009 10:25 pm
I don't get the salary argument. Doesn't the fact both Durant and Green will be extended in 2011 make it even riskier (for a small market team)? As things stand Oklahoma will be committed to $20 something million in salaries for 2010. Wouldn't it make more sense to give Bosh a bulk of that salary cap space instead of adding other players who would later compromise extending both Durant and Green?
If it's about money, there is nothing unusual about having 2 max signed player (heck, Boston had 3 last year and won the championship). Considering Green is playing out of position at the 4 to accommodate Durant, I would jump at the opportunity of adding Bosh (so long as the pick is not 1st or 2nd). But hey, that's just me.
If it's about money, there is nothing unusual about having 2 max signed player (heck, Boston had 3 last year and won the championship). Considering Green is playing out of position at the 4 to accommodate Durant, I would jump at the opportunity of adding Bosh (so long as the pick is not 1st or 2nd). But hey, that's just me.