# IOC: No proof Chinese gymnasts underage

[canoner]

1. baidou(sp?)'s cached links are all from General Administration of Sports of China. everyone was able to see them until yesterday, but it was somehow just taken down today (just like the google one). i mean i saw it myself. or do you think im lying?

http://strydehax.blogspot.com/2008/08/h ... mpics.html

2. it's not just the General Administration of Sports of China.

An official gymnastics roster dated January 27, 2006 published by the Chengdu government for its City Games, a competition in which He competed.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-flu ... 18842.html

He was born Jan. 1, 1994, according to the 2005, 2006 and 2007 registration lists. Yang was born Aug. 26, 1993, according to the 2004, 2005 and 2006 registration lists. In the 2007 registration list, however, her birthday has changed to Aug. 26, 1992.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26337759/page/2/

btw i live in Canada, and i know my government is not dumb enough to make mistakes 3 years in a row. especially when it concerns a future olympian

Nobody knows for a fact that the file on Bidu is indeed uploaded by GASC. It is a claim (guess) by the blogger who has as much credibility as you, which is none. Think about it, there is absolutely no reason for a government agency to post on a fan-based website like bidu.

Provincial governments boast they found prodigies. Besides, it is again claimed to be found somewhere on the web which opens it up to all possibilities.

Do you think Chinese government is dumb enough to leave old record on the web if they were about to cheat? Chinese are much smarter than Canadians. More reason to doubt the authenticity of so called "evidences".

[5DOM]

1. baidou(sp?)'s cached links are all from General Administration of Sports of China. everyone was able to see them until yesterday, but it was somehow just taken down today (just like the google one). i mean i saw it myself. or do you think im lying?

http://strydehax.blogspot.com/2008/08/h ... mpics.html

2. it's not just the General Administration of Sports of China.

An official gymnastics roster dated January 27, 2006 published by the Chengdu government for its City Games, a competition in which He competed.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-flu ... 18842.html

He was born Jan. 1, 1994, according to the 2005, 2006 and 2007 registration lists. Yang was born Aug. 26, 1993, according to the 2004, 2005 and 2006 registration lists. In the 2007 registration list, however, her birthday has changed to Aug. 26, 1992.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26337759/page/2/

btw i live in Canada, and i know my government is not dumb enough to make mistakes 3 years in a row. especially when it concerns a future olympian

Nobody knows for a fact that the file on Bidu is indeed uploaded by GASC. It is a claim (guess) by the blogger who has as much credibility as you, which is none. Think about it, there is absolutely no reason for a government agency to post on a fan-based website like bidu.

Provincial governments boast they found prodigies. Besides, it again found somewhere on the web which opens it up to all possibilities.

Do you think Chinese government is dumb enough to leave old record on the web if they were about to cheat? Chinese are much smarter than Canadians. More reason to doubt the authenticity of so called "evidences".

perhaps you should learn what a cache is first. it's not something the government agency posted. most search engines make cache so the users can access the page (when it's temporarily unaccessible). it's like the search engine's made another copy. i mean both google and bidou's cache said the same thing. and incredibly, all sites are currently inaccessible, and even the cached links are suddenly gone.

and what about the provincial one? there are multiple evidences (or possible series of unbelievable mistakes by such smart country) other than this one.

btw of course the chinese are much smarter than the canadians. they know they can cheat and get away with it. even if they didnt cheat this time, they already did many times before.

[XcalibuR]

The thing is what if ALL of the birth dates came from the General Sports Administration, and as long as that date is wrong then all the rest of them would be wrong too because no one checks it. It could simply be one mistake that's not repeated but instead just never corrected. That's how most websites (in north america too) and provincial sports administrations get their information anyways, they don't go around checking passports or birth certificates. If the General Sports Administration is wrong, it could have started an entire chain of mistakes, so there could be no "multiple" evidence at all.

[canoner]

perhaps you should learn what a cache is first. it's not something the government agency posted. most search engines make cache so the users can access the page (when it's temporarily unaccessible). it's like the search engine's made another copy. i mean both google and bidou's cache said the same thing. and incredibly, all sites are currently inaccessible, and even the cached links are suddenly gone.

and what about the provincial one? there are multiple evidences (or possible series of unbelievable mistakes by such smart country) other than this one.

btw of course the chinese are much smarter than the canadians. they know they can cheat and get away with it. even if they didnt cheat this time, they already did many times before.

Cache file can be easily planted or modified by a computer expert. And there is no way to verify its authenticity.

What about registration lists? Again caches files, quite possibly fake. Even if they were authentic, how hard is it to understand that provincial teams understated their ages to promote them as prodigies, and of course once you start doing it you stick to your line by repeating it. So of course you would see multiple of them. But again, that is assuming such registration lists did exist. Sorry cache files prove nothing.

If you admit Chinese are much smarter, it is impossible to imagine that they would have left these kind of info on the web till this week if they were about to cheat. It makes absolutely no sense. And then the most sensible conclusion is that someone holding grudge planted those cache files.

[5DOM]

The thing is what if ALL of the birth dates came from the General Sports Administration, and as long as that date is wrong then all the rest of them would be wrong too because no one checks it. It could simply be one mistake that's not repeated but instead just never corrected. That's how most websites (in north america too) and provincial sports administrations get their information anyways, they don't go around checking passports or birth certificates. If the General Sports Administration is wrong, it could have started an entire chain of mistakes, so there could be no "multiple" evidence at all.

that could certainly be the case, but given china's history of age falsification and the unlikeliness of the event, i highly doubt it. i mean what's the chance of getting someone's birth date wrong? or is it just a coincidence that the particular gymnast's birth date is wrong?

and dont you think He herself would have said something about it if they kept putting the wrong birth date for three years?

[5DOM]

perhaps you should learn what a cache is first. it's not something the government agency posted. most search engines make cache so the users can access the page (when it's temporarily unaccessible). it's like the search engine's made another copy. i mean both google and bidou's cache said the same thing. and incredibly, all sites are currently inaccessible, and even the cached links are suddenly gone.

and what about the provincial one? there are multiple evidences (or possible series of unbelievable mistakes by such smart country) other than this one.

btw of course the chinese are much smarter than the canadians. they know they can cheat and get away with it. even if they didnt cheat this time, they already did many times before.

Cache file can be easily planted or modified by a computer expert. And there is no way to verify its authenticity.

What about registration lists? Again caches files, quite possibly fake. Even if they were authentic, how hard is it to understand that provincial teams understated their ages to promote them as prodigies, and of course once you start doing it you stick to your line by repeating it. So of course you would see multiple of them. But again, that is assuming such registration lists did exist. Sorry cache files prove nothing.

If you admit Chinese are much smarter, it is impossible to imagine that they would have left these kind of info on the web till this week if they were about to cheat. It makes absolutely no sense. And then the most sensible conclusion is that someone holding grudge planted those cache files.

the reason why the cached links are being used as "evidences" in the first place is because the original spreadsheets have been taken down. the original one was accessible in july (when the report first came out). or did a patriotic American hacker change all the numbers in multiple spreadsheets (by the Chinese government) in July because he foresaw USA's loss?

btw, the chinese werent smart enough to make sure Yang Yun shut her mouth.

man im now so sick and tired of this discussion that's going nowhere, and will just leave.

it has been a pleasure talking to you, canoner.

Long live the Smart Chinese.
Shame on you fat and old looking Americans

[XcalibuR]

that could certainly be the case, but given china's history of age falsification and the unlikeliness of the event, i highly doubt it. i mean what's the chance of getting someone's birth date wrong? or is it just a coincidence that the particular gymnast's birth date is wrong?

As long as there is doubt you can't throw an conviction. We don't know how the General Sports Administration gets their birth dates, so we don't know how likely the chance of getting someone's birth date wrong is. Unless they double and triple check someone's official documents, there are plenty of chances of getting it wrong. If its just some random webmaster working on the site, its very likely that he/she could get it wrong.

and dont you think He herself would have said something about it if they kept putting the wrong birth date for three years?

This is assuming He checks over her profile on the Sports Administration's site.

[canoner]

the reason why the cached links are being used as "evidences" in the first place is because the original spreadsheets have been taken down. the original one was accessible in july (when the report first came out). or did a patriotic American hacker change all the numbers in multiple spreadsheets (by the Chinese government) in July because he foresaw USA's loss?

btw, the chinese werent smart enough to make sure Yang Yun shut her mouth.

man im now so sick and tired of this discussion that's going nowhere, and will just leave.

it has been a pleasure talking to you, canoner.

Long live the Smart Chinese.
Shame on you fat and old looking Americans

There are plenty of hater all the time. There are just more after a tough loss. It won't take more than 2 minutes to modify a few numbers on a few pages.

When someone decide to talk, there is nothing you can do, however smart you are.

This discussion was never gonna anywhere. The accusation had no leg. Media helped to fanfare the sentiment and fans all get worked up. Why not talk about the newly revealed info on massive doping and cover-up by team USA back in the 80's and 90's? That sounds a lot more credible to me. At least someone who is supposed to be insider is the source of the leak, not like some web screenshot nobody can verify.