a8bil wrote:13th Man wrote:a8bil wrote: And that was even after dumbing down her routine by removing the twists from her skills to avoid the issues she's having with the "twisties." Got a lower starting point because the routine was easier, but she executed well to secure the bronze.
Lol @ he mental gymnastics here, looks like you had to perform some twisties yourself to make this suit your narrative.
I don't think I as too far off with my assessment. So the twisties only engage when the exercise is of a certain difficulty? Yeah Ok....I'm more inclined to believe that she is not as good as what she used to be, reflected by her Olympics trials performance.
Simone Biles is no longer heads and shoulders above everybody else and this is what they should have done from the start. I'm not here to demean her because she is human after all and a great Olympic champion but calling it as I see it.
It's amusing that you think you are informed sufficiently to have an opinion on a subject upon which you have absolutely zero knowledge. Every word in my post is verifiable truth ...but you don't care to know or understand that because you have your knuckle-dragging opinions already formed. Good on you. And no, once a gymnast has the twisties, they have it even while doing skills that they mastered when they were 4 years old. Biles eliminated the twists to avoid issues arising from the twisties. In the unlikely event you actually want to educate yourself...read on.
Simone Biles nailed her beam routine in Tuesday’s final, earning an execution score more than three-tenths higher than she had in the qualifying round, when she stumbled backward on her dismount. But her total score, 14.0, was slightly lower.
That’s because she changed a single skill: the dismount.
In gymnastics, each skill is assigned a letter value that represents its difficulty. Skills rated A are easiest, while more difficult skills are rated sequentially using letters of the alphabet: B, C, D and so forth (and yes, they’re in reverse of the letter grades you wanted to earn in high school).
During the qualifying round, Biles dismounted with a full-twisting double back, which is rated G. In the final, she dismounted with a double pike, which is rated E, so two letter values easier.
Each successive letter is worth an extra tenth of a point: An A skill is worth 0.1, a B skill is worth 0.2, and so on. That means in terms of absolute difficulty, doing the easier dismount cost Biles only two-tenths. But because the total difficulty score for a routine is based both on the individual skills and on bonuses for linking multiple skills, changing one move can have a snowball effect.
The Code of Points, which governs scoring in gymnastics, awards a two-tenth bonus for connecting a B skill to an F (or higher) dismount. Biles normally receives that bonus because she does two back handsprings, each rated B, into her G-rated full-twisting double back dismount. But by downgrading to an E-rated dismount, she lost the bonus.
That meant her difficulty score went down by four-tenths of a point, compared with the routine she used in the qualifying round: 6.1 instead of 6.5. That outweighed her improved execution.
Still, balance beam finals are quite unpredictable. Several other gymnasts made mistakes, and Biles, with her less difficult but better-executed routine, won a bronze medal even after finishing sixth in the qualifying round.
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I'm not disputing anything that you've stated above regarding the judging or scoring criteria. It makes sense to me, but my point is that she simply should have resorted to the lower difficulty exercises from the get-go because she's no longer able to execute on the more difficult ones as proven by her Olympic trials performance.
My rationale or logic is that if she was experiencing the twisties during the initial exercises, then she should also be experiencing during the less difficult exercises. Did her mental health situation improved all of the sudden simply due to the fact that she changed her routine? How did her mental health situation improve all of the sudden for her to come back? If this is true, then why didn't she go with the same difficulty exercises as her competitors from the get-go? This way, not only would she be judged on the same plane as her peers but she wouldn't run into mental health issues, causing her to withdraw in the first place.
My argument all along was that she is no longer heads and shoulders above the other competitors, to which her comeback at the beam finals somewhat validate this point. If she is still on a higher level, then this easier routine would've been a walk in the park for her, yielding her an easy gold but it wasn't.
Also note that she never even brought up the twisties until a couple of days after pulling out, after which some people have brought that up as a primary excuse for her performance. How convenient.
I stand by my assertion that all of this could have been prevented has Simone and her team realized from the getgo that she isn't as good as she once was. All this mental healthy stuff is merely a convenient excuse imo which doesn't add up.
