Official Spanish federation announcement

[PHANTOMPHOENIX]

Ok folks, by the end of the Spain China game the Chinese had given up booing the Spanish.

"The Spanish display of grace under pressure spread a final hush over the boisterous Chinese crowd that filled the 18,000-seat Beijing Olympic Basketball Gymnasium and had heartily booed every Spanish possession."

But they have not booed a single other team during any of their games, or even another country during any of the events? How do you explain the audience booing Spain, when they didn't boo the United States, or Angola? What is it about the Spanish team that makes the Chinese, a very polite people, boo a team? Why don't they boo the Japanese gymnasts?

I also wouldn't expect Chinese who knew about the incident to even show up for the next Spanish game, why would they? They don't hate the Spanish team so much that they will go to a game just to boo.

Did you read previous posts?

It has already been reported that Chinese at the game did not even have knowledge of the photo.

This is getting old. Stop trying to rewrite history.

First they booed because it was Spain. Then when it is shown that people at the game did not even know the photo existed, people blame it on the Communist state for not letting them know....otherwise they of course would be offended.

[TonyMontana]

BUT funny thing last night I was in Newport Beach, you know a beach town here in Southern Cali and I actually met a real cutie from Spain she said she was from a town called Menorka.
I brought up the picture incident and she said that it is a common jesture to do that in Spain but she added that it was wrong what they did and there are a few Spaniards that had a problem with that..............

While you were at it, did you tell her that you think that 3/4 of her fellow countrymen and countrywomen are racist?

Ya I did, actually thats how the conversation started, and her reponse was that bigets and racist to other cultures and race is very common practice in Europe. She actually said since 911 the hatered towards muslims and Arabs has increased.........funny, she also said that before 911 it was other cultures like the Ecuadorins, Asians etc, but after 911 its all about ... her exact words.... ARABIKS/Arabs.
Oh and then after that she said she said she wanted me to take her to Disneyland and show her the ride they call the tea cups.....

[PHANTOMPHOENIX]

BUT funny thing last night I was in Newport Beach, you know a beach town here in Southern Cali and I actually met a real cutie from Spain she said she was from a town called Menorka.
I brought up the picture incident and she said that it is a common jesture to do that in Spain but she added that it was wrong what they did and there are a few Spaniards that had a problem with that..............

While you were at it, did you tell her that you think that 3/4 of her fellow countrymen and countrywomen are racist?

Ya I did, actually thats how the conversation started, and her reponse was that bigets and racist to other cultures and race is very common practice in Europe. She actually said since 911 the hatered towards muslims and Arabs has increased.........funny, she also said that before 911 it was other cultures like the Ecuadorins, Asians etc, but after 911 its all about ... her exact words.... ARABIKS/Arabs.
Oh and then after that she said she said she wanted me to take her to Disneyland and show her the ride they call the tea cups.....

I didn't realize some girl you met in Florida is the expert on Spanish Customs.

That is the oldest trick in the book..claim you know someone that is Spanish that agrees with your point of view so apparently you must be right. Is she some international judge?

This is about the pic....but apparently since none of you can win your argument you are grabbing at every straw possible.

It is not about the pic anymore for you guys...its about illustrating that Spaniards are racist bastards.

[Sheenmue]

BUT funny thing last night I was in Newport Beach, you know a beach town here in Southern Cali and I actually met a real cutie from Spain she said she was from a town called Menorka.
I brought up the picture incident and she said that it is a common jesture to do that in Spain but she added that it was wrong what they did and there are a few Spaniards that had a problem with that..............

While you were at it, did you tell her that you think that 3/4 of her fellow countrymen and countrywomen are racist?

Ya I did, actually thats how the conversation started, and her reponse was that bigets and racist to other cultures and race is very common practice in Europe. She actually said since 911 the hatered towards muslims and Arabs has increased.........funny, she also said that before 911 it was other cultures like the Ecuadorins, Asians etc, but after 911 its all about ... her exact words.... ARABIKS/Arabs.
Oh and then after that she said she said she wanted me to take her to Disneyland and show her the ride they call the tea cups.....

I think she lied, not in the way she was really a shemale but that she was from Spain. Do you know what happened after 11M in Madrid? Two days later people voted the party that was always against the war in Iraq and that some months later brought back all the spanish soldiers from Iraq. I wouldn't think that's exactcly an increase in racism against muslims and arabs.

[J1Kwon]

To say that the slant eyed gesture is viewed as friendly everywhere outside of the U.S. is simply stupid.
Perhaps it is viewed that way in Spain, but not in the ASIAN countries where it is pointed at.

The Chinese find it offensive, and I, being a Korean myself, know that Koreans in general found it offensive as well.
On this predominantly Chinese basketball forum http://www.yaomingmania.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=13244 , the members were furious, and started making racially derogatory terms about the spanish as well.
The gesture was seen as ridicule of Asian people.

It is a trait of Asian people to have slanty eyes, so does that make this right?
Do all Asians have slanty eyes?
Were the stereotype of slanty eyes used and still is used to ridicule Asians?
When you see a Jew, do you pinch your nose and make it appear because of a stereotype?

The Americans and the Anglo Saxon media have been flamed repeatedly because of their "ignorance."
In fact, it was the Spanish who were ignorant, not realizing the significance of such a gesture has on the Asian people.

However, it does appear to picture was innocuous, since the spanish truly did not realize the offensive nature of the photo.

So we should not really be calling them racist, just misinformed.

[PHANTOMPHOENIX]

BUT funny thing last night I was in Newport Beach, you know a beach town here in Southern Cali and I actually met a real cutie from Spain she said she was from a town called Menorka.
I brought up the picture incident and she said that it is a common jesture to do that in Spain but she added that it was wrong what they did and there are a few Spaniards that had a problem with that..............

I think she lied, not in the way she was really a shemale but that she was from Spain. Do you know what happened after 11M in Madrid? Two days later people voted the party that was always against the war in Iraq and that some months later brought back all the spanish soldiers from Iraq. I wouldn't think that's exactcly an increase in racism against muslims and arabs.

Her story doesn't even make sense.

[Rocky5000]

Well I guess I should have been smarter to think that Spain would learn their lesson, but their tennis team was just caught doing the same exact thing!!!

http://gawker.com/5037034/spanish-tenni ... naman-pose

[rasheed44]

To say that the slant eyed gesture is viewed as friendly everywhere outside of the U.S. is simply stupid.
Perhaps it is viewed that way in Spain, but not in the ASIAN countries where it is pointed at.

The Chinese find it offensive, and I, being a Korean myself, know that Koreans in general found it offensive as well.
On this predominantly Chinese basketball forum http://www.yaomingmania.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=13244 , the members were furious, and started making racially derogatory terms about the spanish as well.
The gesture was seen as ridicule of Asian people.

It is a trait of Asian people to have slanty eyes, so does that make this right?
Do all Asians have slanty eyes?
Were the stereotype of slanty eyes used and still is used to ridicule Asians?
When you see a Jew, do you pinch your nose and make it appear because of a stereotype?

The Americans and the Anglo Saxon media have been flamed repeatedly because of their "ignorance."
In fact, it was the Spanish who were ignorant, not realizing the significance of such a gesture has on the Asian people.

However, it does appear to picture was innocuous, since the spanish truly did not realize the offensive nature of the photo.

So we should not really be calling them racist, just misinformed.

Harry has forgotten how many countrymen died in the second world war.



Yeah a class act, where too many people died due to the atomic bombs.



Guantanamo, there isn't racism there.



Slanted eyes gesture is so offensive, ....

[LLcoleJ]

what is the offensive part of the USA basketball pic?

[rasheed44]

what is the offensive part of the USA basketball pic?

US military salute in Japan.

[PHANTOMPHOENIX]

what is the offensive part of the USA basketball pic?

Any salute by US players to the US military is seen internationally by many countries as a farce because of the image of the US Army going around the world and sticking their noses where it doesn't belong.

As far as these countries are concerned the US Army is committing atrocities like it has in the past and the US players are just supporting this injustice.

That is why when the US Media comes in claiming the moral highground it is looked at by foreign countries as hypocritical.

That pic was taken in Japan like the previous poster mentioned which I forgot to mention which was the point of the post.

[panacea]

^ That's a stretch

[LLcoleJ]

hmmm.. I have heard it all now...

[PHANTOMPHOENIX]

^ That's a stretch

No it s not.

You really need to travel a bit. Americans have a really bad rep in Europe and its not like you guys did anything there really.

Do you guys have any clue on the US is portrayed with things such as the Iraq War. All you guys see is American Television.

[PHANTOMPHOENIX]

hmmm.. I have heard it all now...

So saluting the Troops in Japan near Hiroshima is not offensive?

[Rasho Brezec]

^ That's a stretch

Agreed, but I can understand that doing a military salute in a country you dropped two atomic bombs on to could lead to some disturbing interpretations.

[Elshot]

I think she lied, not in the way she was really a shemale but that she was from Spain. Do you know what happened after 11M in Madrid? Two days later people voted the party that was always against the war in Iraq and that some months later brought back all the spanish soldiers from Iraq. I wouldn't think that's exactcly an increase in racism against muslims and arabs.

General elections are not a decisive indicator in determining whether there is increased hate towards a certain group. I'm not going into the details of Spain, but it is undeniable that there has been an increase in anti-muslim sentiment in both Europe and the US. Seriously, I could write an encyclopedia about this process.

The fight against racism only has meaning in the wider context of human rights and is a humanitarian ideal. Someone who is extremely sensitive on race in terms of the ideas of "caucasian", "black", "asian", but couldn't give a damn about the fact that people supposedly belonging to the same race are being hated in the same manner for being from a different ethnicity, is like a programmed robot who just reacts, but really doesn't understand why something is bad.

By the way, Spain is one of the countries that has started the initiative for "the coalition of civilizations' against the spreading (militarist) belief that a clash of civilizations is inevitable. This in a country that has witnessed the Madrid bombings after 9-11.

^ That's a stretch

It's not. The US has sponsored dozens of wars and coups that haved negatively changed the human rights situation of hundreds of millions of people. Haven't they have also supported some interventions that bettered the human rights situation? Absolutely. The leading rationale? Economic interests, not only overriding humanitarian ideals, but legitimizing the death of millions. The Americans' use of "National Interests" has become a worldwide form of mockery.

[PHANTOMPHOENIX]

^ That's a stretch

It's not. The US has sponsored dozens of wars and coups that haved negatively changed the human rights situation of hundreds of millions of people. Haven't they have also supported some interventions that bettered the human rights situation? Absolutely. The leading rationale? Economic interests, not only overriding humanitarian ideals, but legitimizing the death of millions. The Americans' use of "National Interests" has become a worldwide form of mockery.

They don't show this on American TV.

[GuyverX]

I think this thread has run its course. Each new page gets sillier and sillier. There's really not much to discuss at this point. Nobody is being swayed one way or the other. And as I type this the thread moves to current affairs section.

[PHANTOMPHOENIX]

I think this thread has run its course. Each new page gets sillier and sillier. There's really not much to discuss at this point. Nobody is being swayed one way or the other.

It's silly because posters keep throwing the same silly arguments to make this an international event. And when they can't they try to grasp at straws on other incidents outside this one.