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Re: Phelps or Bolt 

Post#361 » by Ong_dynasty » Wed Aug 20, 2008 3:08 pm

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dougthonus wrote:Too bad Bolt's not running the 400 as well. If he could sweep the 100, 200, and 400 it'd be one of the greatest performances ever.


that would be THE greatest performance ever.
he already has fatigue running these 2 events.


From what??Jogging for 3 races and running for one?:P
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Re: Phelps or Bolt 

Post#362 » by The Duke » Wed Aug 20, 2008 3:12 pm

its hard to judge how much of an advantage Phelphs actually gains in the turns, but its widely known that he has the best. In the 200m Free open water, i'd prolly take Peiter Van Den Hoogendband, who has poor turns, but swims the fastest stroke in my opinion over 200m's if there were no turns (but u cant measure this, and comparing times wouldnt be accurate ... PVH didnt run the 200m in beijing, basically giving up a medal, to try and take the 100m free, but he got a very poor start.

In the 100m.. you done really know how much Bolt can actually accerate for. Obviously he didnt show us everything in that 100m race.. but its prolly not a stretch to suggest he possibily can accerate for a longer then then the others that came before him

ya Bols 200m WR in a headwind is pretty outstanding. Its estimated that each 1.0 m/s of head wind increases your time by .05-.06 seconds per 100m.... So thats roughly at least an extra 0.1 second he would drop on his time, to bring it back to "corrected time".

I dont know who was actually working, the main TV sets were packed with people watchng the 200m final.... and everyone started cheering as Bolt took off...... now i cant see the same happening for a swim... but maybe thats just my opinion.
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Re: Phelps or Bolt 

Post#363 » by GQStylin » Wed Aug 20, 2008 3:29 pm

Bolt wanted that 200m record tonight and he wanted to break it on the world's biggest stage. Man that was something to see!
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Re: Phelps or Bolt 

Post#364 » by 5DOM » Wed Aug 20, 2008 3:32 pm

1. Usain Bolt, 19.30 with -0.9 wind, at the age of 22.
2. Michael Johnson, 19.32 with +0.4 wind, at the age of 28.
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Re: Phelps or Bolt 

Post#365 » by 5DOM » Wed Aug 20, 2008 3:34 pm

The Duke wrote:I dont know who was actually working, the main TV sets were packed with people watchng the 200m final.... and everyone started cheering as Bolt took off...... now i cant see the same happening for a swim... but maybe thats just my opinion.


Everyone wants to see the WR in 100m, 200m sprint
WR is any swimming event doesnt mean as much, especially this Olympics.
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Re: Phelps or Bolt 

Post#366 » by eyeatoma » Wed Aug 20, 2008 3:56 pm

Heres the 200m WR being broken, by the new Olympic superstar USAIN BOLT!!!

Was able to cap it off youtube before they took it down. With Canadian commentary...Enjoy!! :D

Rapidshare Download Link: http://rapidshare.com/files/138772369/U ... 19.30.html

NOTE: Use VLC Media Player to play the file as its in FLV format...
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Re: Phelps or Bolt 

Post#367 » by tracey_nice » Wed Aug 20, 2008 5:10 pm

So I guess Usain just ended this argument.

Thanks for the link eyeatoma.
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Re: Phelps or Bolt 

Post#368 » by eyeatoma » Wed Aug 20, 2008 5:13 pm

No problem dude... :D
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Re: Phelps or Bolt 

Post#369 » by Susan » Wed Aug 20, 2008 5:50 pm

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dougthonus wrote:Even though I was a Phelps guy earlier, Bolt breaking the WR in both the 100 and 200 has to give him the edge I think.


lol.


Today we secretly replaced Susan with newskoolbulls. Let's see if anyone can tell the difference.


Tying "lol" or making strong reactionary posts and then doing a complete 180 a day later?
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Re: Phelps or Bolt 

Post#370 » by dougthonus » Wed Aug 20, 2008 6:15 pm

Tying "lol" or making strong reactionary posts and then doing a complete 180 a day later?


I mentioned at one point earlier that if he was able to set the WR in the 200 as well as well as the 100 that it would change things. If Bolt hadn't won the 200 then I don't think he'd have had a better Olympics or been the biggest story at the Olympics. Setting the WR in both the 100 and 200 in the same Olympics has never been done though, and it's an awesome achievement. At any rate, I have been slowly backing off my stance being convinced by the persuasiveness of many Bolt fans, his additional achievement today has pushed me over the top.

Based on what happened a day ago, I would have still said Phelps had a better Olympics, but Bolt went from doing something that has been done many times (breaking the 100m record) to doing something that has never been done and is significantly more impressive (breaking the WR in teh 100 and 200 while golding in both). Next time I will try to more accurately predict the future when staking out my claims so as not to offend you rather than waiting for events to happen and discussing the information that exists in present time.
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Re: Phelps or Bolt 

Post#371 » by MaxRider » Wed Aug 20, 2008 6:42 pm

Phelps is one of the best at turn. Friend showed me picture showing Phelps was actually at #7 in the 100m fly before the turn. After the turn he was #3 or 4 (don't remember exact).
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Re: Phelps or Bolt 

Post#372 » by SportsWorld » Wed Aug 20, 2008 8:04 pm

tracey_nice wrote:So I guess Usain just ended this argument.

Thanks for the link eyeatoma.

Yes Bolt is 6 medals away from tying Phelps' mark. Plus Bolt got a 4 day rest. I'm wondering how much better. Phelps would look if he got 4 days rest between each of his 8 races.
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Re: Phelps or Bolt 

Post#373 » by Fairview4Life » Wed Aug 20, 2008 8:36 pm

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tracey_nice wrote:So I guess Usain just ended this argument.

Thanks for the link eyeatoma.

Yes Bolt is 6 medals away from tying Phelps' mark. Plus Bolt got a 4 day rest. I'm wondering how much better. Phelps would look if he got 4 days rest between each of his 8 races.


The medal count thing is still silly. How many medals would Bolt have if he could run the 125m race? and the 150? and the 200 relay?
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Re: Phelps or Bolt 

Post#374 » by 5DOM » Wed Aug 20, 2008 8:39 pm

SportsWorld wrote:
tracey_nice wrote:So I guess Usain just ended this argument.

Thanks for the link eyeatoma.

Yes Bolt is 6 medals away from tying Phelps' mark. Plus Bolt got a 4 day rest. I'm wondering how much better. Phelps would look if he got 4 days rest between each of his 8 races.


omg. jason lezak won 2 gold and 1 bronze this olympics.

lezak>>>>>>>>bolt
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Re: Phelps or Bolt 

Post#375 » by JWizmentality » Wed Aug 20, 2008 9:13 pm

SportsWorld wrote:
tracey_nice wrote:So I guess Usain just ended this argument.

Thanks for the link eyeatoma.

Yes Bolt is 6 medals away from tying Phelps' mark. Plus Bolt got a 4 day rest. I'm wondering how much better. Phelps would look if he got 4 days rest between each of his 8 races.


What rest?? He has ran rounds and qualifiers everyday like every other event in the Olympics.
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Re: Phelps or Bolt 

Post#376 » by shawngoat23 » Wed Aug 20, 2008 9:28 pm

The argument is over.

The majority of American fans or swimming/water polo fans will support Phelps.

The majority of non-Americans or track-and-field enthusiasts will support Bolt.

But you're much more likely to find members of the former group hold Bolt's performance in higher regard than members of the latter hold Phelps' in higher regard.

Usain Bolt is simply incredible. He is the face of the biggest sports in the Olympics, track-and-field, a sport which is appropriately known to the rest of the world as athletics.
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Re: Phelps or Bolt 

Post#377 » by Yao_noodle » Wed Aug 20, 2008 10:05 pm

Bolt is just phenomenal.
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Re: Phelps or Bolt 

Post#378 » by Andris » Wed Aug 20, 2008 10:22 pm

They're both phenomenal athletes.
I know this is a forum, but IMO it's silly to compare these 2....
Different sports.....
By the way who is better? Carl Lewis or Bolt?
Phelps or Spitz?
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Re: Phelps or Bolt 

Post#379 » by dacher » Wed Aug 20, 2008 10:25 pm

shawngoat23 wrote:The majority of American fans or swimming/water polo fans will support Phelps.

The majority of non-Americans or track-and-field enthusiasts will support Bolt.


I don't swim. But I have tried running my darn hardest for 100m.

To me, swim racing is as detached a spectator sport as track cycling and rowing events. I've never done it, it looks exciting, but I've never done it. 100m is one of the very few olympic events I can say I've personally tried.
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Re: Phelps or Bolt 

Post#380 » by shawngoat23 » Wed Aug 20, 2008 10:40 pm

Andris wrote:They're both phenomenal athletes.
I know this is a forum, but IMO it's silly to compare these 2....
Different sports.....
By the way who is better? Carl Lewis or Bolt?
Phelps or Spitz?


Bolt is simply a better sprinter than Lewis, plain and simple, even adjusting for era. That extra 400 m relay, should the Jamaican team fail to win, does not make Lewis a better sprinter than Lewis.

Of course, part of what adds to Lewis' aura is his ability in the long jump. It might make him a better Olympian, but it sure doesn't add to his sprinting resume. It's really a tossup depending on what you value more. But personally, I'd rather be like Usain Bolt (but with Lewis' endorsements). :D
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