2024 Paris Olympics General (non-Basketball/Track & Field) Discussion Thread

[G R E Y]

What is false? Their statement has no specifics about the test and their website has no specifics about their criteria for gender.
Please note that IBA/AIBA is a corrupt organization that lost it's IOC status for numerous corruption scandals and various shady dealings with Russia. I am an avid boxing fan, they were almost responsible for killing boxing in the Olympics because they were actively rigging matches. They are not a serious organization

IBA tests for sex, both boxers failed XX so were ineligible and were deemed to have a biological advantage over female boxers per statement. IBA has issues but both boxers didn't dispute results/dropped it. They could just address the failing of XX tests but then again it's not a criteria for IOC.

The central issue is that - IOC should bring back cheek swab for sex category.

Again, there's nothing AIBA has shared that corroborates what you have said. They have released a statement of a test with no results/no criteria for what they test or what they even consider female. They are not a serious organization.
The Algerian boxed in AIBA from 2018-2023. Heck she boxed in the tournament until her gold medal match. But no, I'm sure that was the first time they started doing those tests

Then boxers ought to have contested results, yes?

Do you support cheek swab sex testing?

[G R E Y]

Who cares? I don't get why people put so much focus and energy on trans debates. It represents like 1% of the world population and it's a major topic in politics and social media. I just don't get it - there are way more important things to focus on.

Hundreds of women across dozens of sports have lost competition spots, scholarships, chances to compete in the Olympics, monies, podium results, medals in all levels of competition. It's not a small thing. And on top of that, there's a physical risk factor in boxing MMA, rugby, soccer, basketball, volleyball, etc., any sport where there's a chance of physical contact. It is unfair and dangerous and exhausting but I'm glad it's getting more attention, sadly because of this first fight, but there will only be more pressure on IOC and other sports organizations that do not test for sex.

[Nuntius]

Guys, seriously. I get this stuff in every other part of the internet. So can we not here, please? Or at the very least take it to the off topic board. If I'm out of line and that's not the consensus then I apologize but imho it's legitimately ruining the fun here.

It may be more appropriate for another thread or forum. That's fair. Sorry for contributing to distracting from the enjoyment of the Games.

Nbd, and I'm not trying to be a D-bag about it, I get it cause I get into this stuff from time to time myself. But its to the point where we're getting competing thesis papers back and forth that have to be scrolled through in order to get actual event talk so I thought I'd at least ask.

So, Tim stopped due to your prompting. I stopped due to your prompting as well. G R E Y hasn't stopped and she keeps using this thread to push her political agenda.

Are we allowed to answer or should this thread still have only one side of the debate represented?

[G R E Y]

OH WOW YES GO FELIX!!!

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These are huge victories versus top tough opponents on the biggest stage!

[Nuntius]

Who cares? I don't get why people put so much focus and energy on trans debates. It represents like 1% of the world population and it's a major topic in politics and social media. I just don't get it - there are way more important things to focus on.

Also, it is important to note that this particular discussion isn't even about trans women. Neither of the two boxers mentioned are trans. Both boxers have lived their entire lives as women. In the worst possible scenario (that is if the alleged test is actually accurate and not some disinfo that Kremlev is throwing out), they are simply intersex women.

[fansse]

Who cares? I don't get why people put so much focus and energy on trans debates. It represents like 1% of the world population and it's a major topic in politics and social media. I just don't get it - there are way more important things to focus on.

Hundreds of women across dozens of sports have lost competition spots, scholarships, chances to compete in the Olympics, monies, podium results, medals in all levels of competition. It's not a small thing. And on top of that, there's a physical risk factor in boxing MMA, rugby, soccer, basketball, volleyball, etc., any sport where there's a chance of physical contact. It is unfair and dangerous and exhausting but I'm glad it's getting more attention, sadly because of this first fight, but there will only be more pressure on IOC and other sports organizations that do not test for sex.

Saying it’s ‘getting more attention’ is an understatement and putting it lightly. I’m not just talking about the competition. The ‘trans’ topic was the number one subject during the opening ceremony, and now the main focus is on this boxing match, overshadowing the Olympics in itself. The attention it’s receiving is disproportionate to its importance. It’s a highly polarized political issue, which I don’t quite understand

[G R E Y]

It may be more appropriate for another thread or forum. That's fair. Sorry for contributing to distracting from the enjoyment of the Games.

Nbd, and I'm not trying to be a D-bag about it, I get it cause I get into this stuff from time to time myself. But its to the point where we're getting competing thesis papers back and forth that have to be scrolled through in order to get actual event talk so I thought I'd at least ask.

So, Tim stopped due to your prompting. I stopped due to your prompting as well. G R E Y hasn't stopped and she keeps using this thread to push her political agenda.

Are we allowed to answer or should this thread still have only one side of the debate represented?

You need to stop imputing motives about some 'political agenda' because it's a lie. So is misrepresenting BASIC failed sex tests - both boxers had the Y in their results which they didn't follow through with disputing - because you can't discredit science. It is dangerous and unfair for women to compete under IOC rules. Already one woman had her dreams dashed.

[G R E Y]

Who cares? I don't get why people put so much focus and energy on trans debates. It represents like 1% of the world population and it's a major topic in politics and social media. I just don't get it - there are way more important things to focus on.

Hundreds of women across dozens of sports have lost competition spots, scholarships, chances to compete in the Olympics, monies, podium results, medals in all levels of competition. It's not a small thing. And on top of that, there's a physical risk factor in boxing MMA, rugby, soccer, basketball, volleyball, etc., any sport where there's a chance of physical contact. It is unfair and dangerous and exhausting but I'm glad it's getting more attention, sadly because of this first fight, but there will only be more pressure on IOC and other sports organizations that do not test for sex.

Saying it’s ‘getting more attention’ is an understatement and putting it lightly. I’m not just talking about the competition. The ‘trans’ topic was the number one subject during the opening ceremony, and now the main focus is on this boxing match, overshadowing the Olympics in itself. The attention it’s receiving is disproportionate to its importance. It’s a highly polarized political issue, which I don’t quite understand

It's not a trans issue. It's failed sex tests, so XY being allowed to compete with XX, regardless of how one is brought up. Losing fairly is one thing. It IS important as fair play is fundamental to ANY sporting competition. And this is the biggest stage for global sports.

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I would also say stop speculating without any evidence as to biological identification at birth. Making this a "trans" fight when there may have never been a "sex change/identity change" is incorrect.

[madskillz8]

Who cares? I don't get why people put so much focus and energy on trans debates. It represents like 1% of the world population and it's a major topic in politics and social media. I just don't get it - there are way more important things to focus on.

Because it will kill women's sports in a few years?

Sports are all about competition and teams/countries try to exploit every possible loophole already, legally or illegally to have a little competitive advantage. If you allow that, the events will be, full of trans athletes, thus it would be trans sports with women have no longer has a fair environment to compete.

Thus, people are actually defending women's (%50 of the population!) rights to have a fair competition, not trying to hate on 1%. It is not a democrats vs republicans issue. It is not a left vs right issue. It is an important women's right issue which would dramatically change the history of sports and Olympics. And other individual level effects like women will lost the opportunity to be pro-athletes, i.e., doing pro-sports for a living... This is not a 1% issue, this is 50% issue. Not even talking about relatively minor effects like sport scholarships - many young women in US using sport scholarships to access a good college education and to get a degree. Not to become a rich spoiled W/NBA star.

"who cares?" I personally do.

[NotaHypeJob]

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Somebody investigate the Italian for match fixing

[fansse]

Who cares? I don't get why people put so much focus and energy on trans debates. It represents like 1% of the world population and it's a major topic in politics and social media. I just don't get it - there are way more important things to focus on.

Because it will kill women's sports in a few years?

Sports are all about competition and teams/countries try to exploit every possible loophole already, legally or illegally to have a little competitive advantage. If you allow that, the events will be, full of trans athletes, thus it would be trans sports with women have no longer has a fair environment to compete.

Thus, people are actually defending women's (%50 of the population!) rights to have a fair competition, not trying to hate on 1%. It is not a democrats vs republicans issue. It is not a left vs right issue. It is an important women's right issue which would dramatically change the history of sports and Olympics. And other individual level effects like women will lost the opportunity to be pro-athletes, i.e., doing pro-sports for a living... This is not a 1% issue, this is 50% issue. Not even talking about relatively minor effects like sport scholarships - many young women in US using sport scholarships to access a good college education and to get a degree. Not to become a rich spoiled W/NBA star.

"who cares?" I personally do.

The topic is a main focus outside of competitive sporting events.

[ItsDanger]

It's called women's boxing, not intersex boxing. So, if you're referring to this boxer in question as intersex, you're admitting the boxer is in a different classification. Notice how there aren't gender questions in men's boxing?

[G R E Y]

Man I'm not a fan of Djokovic but I begrudgingly respect what a **** machine the guy at 36 or 37(?) and injured and still blowing through competition. Defeated Tsitsipas in straight sets.

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[madskillz8]

G R E Y hasn't stopped and she keeps using this thread to push her political agenda.

I am very surprised with such a post from you.

At this point it is clear that IOC, Paris organization, whoever responsible for these decisions, that's the one has an evident political agenda. It is also evident that they are using Olympics, by allowing these two recently banned boxers, to create a controversy on their political agenda. Rejecting a political agenda, does not make G R E Y or someone else pushing his/her political agenda. It is obvious that women's sports are in jeopardy and that very political agenda is making women need to fight for their rights to have a fair competitive environment. If you don't care, just don't care. Blaming someone who cares about with "pushing political agenda" just does not make sense.

[Buckets22]

To make it fair - allow the boxers facing that boxer use plasters of paris(no pun intended).

[Slacktard]

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First team fencing gold medal for the US in Olympic history. Women's team fencing has only been in since the 1990s(I think), but men's fencing has been in there since like 1904.

[Nuntius]

Nbd, and I'm not trying to be a D-bag about it, I get it cause I get into this stuff from time to time myself. But its to the point where we're getting competing thesis papers back and forth that have to be scrolled through in order to get actual event talk so I thought I'd at least ask.

So, Tim stopped due to your prompting. I stopped due to your prompting as well. G R E Y hasn't stopped and she keeps using this thread to push her political agenda.

Are we allowed to answer or should this thread still have only one side of the debate represented?

You need to stop imputing motives about some 'political agenda' because it's a lie. So is misrepresenting BASIC failed sex tests - both boxers had the Y in their results which they didn't follow through with disputing - because you can't discredit science. It is dangerous and unfair for women to compete under IOC rules. Already one woman had her dreams dashed.

And you keep claiming as a fact something that has never been verified. Is there any proof that this test did indeed show that the boxers have XY chromosomes? No, there isn't.

As long as you don't have proof of your claim, you cannot present it as a fact.

[Nuntius]

G R E Y hasn't stopped and she keeps using this thread to push her political agenda.

I am very surprised with such a post from you.

At this point it is clear that IOC, Paris organization, whoever responsible for these decisions, that's the one has an evident political agenda. It is also evident that they are using Olympics, by allowing these two recently banned boxers, to create a controversy on their political agenda. Rejecting a political agenda, does not make G R E Y or someone else pushing his/her political agenda. It is obvious that women's sports are in jeopardy and that very political agenda is making women need to fight for their rights to have a fair competitive environment. If you don't care, just don't care. Blaming someone who cares about with "pushing political agenda" just does not make sense.

What political agenda? The athletes in question were born female. Their birth certificate says female. They have lived their whole lives as women. They have never been anything else than a woman for even a single second.

Seriously, where is the freaking political agenda in allowing those athletes to compete in the women's category?

You know what actually is part of a political agenda? Pretending that these athletes who have lived their whole lives as women are, in fact, men. That's the political agenda right there. And that is what some people in this thread are pushing.

If you want this to continue unopposed then say so. Say "I don't wish my views challenged". Be honest, at least.

[JDR720]

It's not a trans issue. It's failed sex tests, so XY being allowed to compete with XX, regardless of how one is brought up. Losing fairly is one thing. It IS important as fair play is fundamental to ANY sporting competition. And this is the biggest stage for global sports.

Someone can be born with mixed up chromosomes, so that isn't relable test. That would simply eliminate intersex people as well as any trans people from competing in sports.

They could've also taken testosterone, which caused a failed testing too. And is there any actual evidence what a "sex test" actually is or what the test she took actually said?

More so, it's illegal to be trans/gay in Algeria. So I doubt this boxer would be allowed to represent them if they actually were trans, more likely to be tossed in jail. So to me, until actually proven otherwise, this boxer is a biological female.