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Dupp wrote:

90sgoat wrote:Ricky Rubio is a good example, one of the best pure point guards in NBA maybe worst guard on Spain.

In FIBA if you don't have a mid range shot and long range you are nothing. In that way, the mid range necessity, it is also very close to old school bball in NBA, where you had to be able to hit an open mid range from 1-4, only center was allowed to not have that skill.

Thats not really any different from him in the nba. Not like hes dominant. His lack of a jumper severely limits him, as it does every guard in the nba that cant shoot.

wizfactor94 wrote:

Dupp wrote:

90sgoat wrote:Ricky Rubio is a good example, one of the best pure point guards in NBA maybe worst guard on Spain.

In FIBA if you don't have a mid range shot and long range you are nothing. In that way, the mid range necessity, it is also very close to old school bball in NBA, where you had to be able to hit an open mid range from 1-4, only center was allowed to not have that skill.

Thats not really any different from him in the nba. Not like hes dominant. His lack of a jumper severely limits him, as it does every guard in the nba that cant shoot.

But it is different. He can't do anything for Spain, he is a horrible player for Spain.

In the NBA he is a pretty good point guard, who can't shoot.

wizfactor94 wrote:

Sedale Threatt wrote:

Pitimiquel wrote:
Well, you have to know that big teams in Euroleague and domestic competition when they are facing teams that are not at the same level, players rotate a lot, so statistics in Euroleague don't say always the truth. Every player is a different world. For example Ingles, played as a 11th or 12th player in Barcelona during 3 years (my team), and now plays as a starter in the NBA. Other example would be Patrick Beverly who played in Euroleague very bad. Then we have Americans or Europeans that havent played or succed in the NBA but here are stars like Vesely, De Colo, Malcolm Delaney, Tyrese Rice, Ayon, Darius Miller...

Ingles started two games last year and is not a good player.

Otherwise, there are always going to be exceptions. Guys like Jasikevičius and Spanoulis were clearly fantastic players who for whatever reason didn't pan out over here. Maybe they came too late or didn't stick it out. Players like Diamantidis, Papaloukas and Teodosic probably would have been very good, if they'd tried. Some of the very best players we've ever had -- Olajuwon, Nowitzki, Ginobili, the Gasols -- are foreign. (Sabonis would have been top 10-20 had he came earlier and been healthy.)

Hell, I think something like 25 percent of the NBA now hails from outside the country. So there's clearly a lot of talent outside the U.S. A lot.

But when you have idiots making blanket statements about how NBA players don't play defense or lack fundamentals based on a handful games in a competition for which we might have four or five practices...I have a problem with that.

It's not an apples-to-apples comparison. The average U.S. player is going to have far, far more success overseas than the average European player would in the NBA. And there has never been an NBA All-Star who wouldn't be at least very good in Europe. It's just dumb to try to argue otherwise. If you have a different preference, that's fine. There's a lot to like about the so-called "FIBA style." But that's where it should end.

Don't take it further and make stupid/insulting statements that don't stand up to even the tiniest amount of scrutiny.

Sad that you wrote all that. Your wrong.

Dupp wrote:Aussies have very little talent. So even though i got my hopes up no real surprise we ended up going out like this. Our team play has been terrific though. Think we leave still never getting a medal.

90sgoat wrote:

Dupp wrote:Aussies have very little talent. So even though i got my hopes up no real surprise we ended up going out like this. Our team play has been terrific though. Think we leave still never getting a medal.

There isn't any true basketball talent like the other teams have, but very strong physical, speed, teamwork, sort of reminds me of British soccer in a way.

Sedale Threatt wrote:

Pitimiquel wrote:

Sedale Threatt wrote:CSKA Moscow just won the Euro title with two Americans playing key roles who I have literally never heard of, Kyle Hines and Cory Higgins. Granted, I barely follow college basketball. But given that they went to Colorado and UNC-Greensboro -- not exactly hoops hotbeds -- they wouldn't seem to be prime prospects. And they can go over the Europe and thrive. Yet somehow players like Paul George, Jimmy Butler and Draymond Green would struggle. OK...

Well, you have to know that big teams in Euroleague and domestic competition when they are facing teams that are not at the same level, players rotate a lot, so statistics in Euroleague don't say always the truth. Every player is a different world. For example Ingles, played as a 11th or 12th player in Barcelona during 3 years (my team), and now plays as a starter in the NBA. Other example would be Patrick Beverly who played in Euroleague very bad. Then we have Americans or Europeans that havent played or succed in the NBA but here are stars like Vesely, De Colo, Malcolm Delaney, Tyrese Rice, Ayon, Darius Miller...

Ingles started two games last year and is not a good player.

Otherwise, there are always going to be exceptions. Guys like Jasikevičius and Spanoulis were clearly fantastic players who for whatever reason didn't pan out over here. Maybe they came too late or didn't stick it out. Players like Diamantidis, Papaloukas and Teodosic probably would have been very good, if they'd tried. Some of the very best players we've ever had -- Olajuwon, Nowitzki, Ginobili, the Gasols -- are foreign. (Sabonis would have been top 10-20 had he came earlier and been healthy.)

Hell, I think something like 25 percent of the NBA now hails from outside the country. So there's clearly a lot of talent outside the U.S. A lot.

But when you have idiots making blanket statements about how NBA players don't play defense or lack fundamentals based on a handful games in a competition for which we might have four or five practices (and still win anyways)...I have a problem with that.

It's not an apples-to-apples comparison. As was stated, the best players in the world aren't trying to play in Europe, they're trying to play here -- and it's not just the money. The average U.S. player is going to have far, far more success overseas than the average European player would in the NBA. And there has never been an NBA All-Star who wouldn't be at least very good in Europe. It's just dumb to try to argue otherwise. If you have a different preference, that's fine. There's a lot to like about the so-called "FIBA style." But that's where it should end.

Don't take it further and make stupid/insulting statements that don't stand up to even the tiniest amount of scrutiny.

Pitimiquel wrote:

Sedale Threatt wrote:

Pitimiquel wrote:
Well, you have to know that big teams in Euroleague and domestic competition when they are facing teams that are not at the same level, players rotate a lot, so statistics in Euroleague don't say always the truth. Every player is a different world. For example Ingles, played as a 11th or 12th player in Barcelona during 3 years (my team), and now plays as a starter in the NBA. Other example would be Patrick Beverly who played in Euroleague very bad. Then we have Americans or Europeans that havent played or succed in the NBA but here are stars like Vesely, De Colo, Malcolm Delaney, Tyrese Rice, Ayon, Darius Miller...

Ingles started two games last year and is not a good player.

Otherwise, there are always going to be exceptions. Guys like Jasikevičius and Spanoulis were clearly fantastic players who for whatever reason didn't pan out over here. Maybe they came too late or didn't stick it out. Players like Diamantidis, Papaloukas and Teodosic probably would have been very good, if they'd tried. Some of the very best players we've ever had -- Olajuwon, Nowitzki, Ginobili, the Gasols -- are foreign. (Sabonis would have been top 10-20 had he came earlier and been healthy.)

Hell, I think something like 25 percent of the NBA now hails from outside the country. So there's clearly a lot of talent outside the U.S. A lot.

But when you have idiots making blanket statements about how NBA players don't play defense or lack fundamentals based on a handful games in a competition for which we might have four or five practices (and still win anyways)...I have a problem with that.

It's not an apples-to-apples comparison. As was stated, the best players in the world aren't trying to play in Europe, they're trying to play here -- and it's not just the money. The average U.S. player is going to have far, far more success overseas than the average European player would in the NBA. And there has never been an NBA All-Star who wouldn't be at least very good in Europe. It's just dumb to try to argue otherwise. If you have a different preference, that's fine. There's a lot to like about the so-called "FIBA style." But that's where it should end.

Don't take it further and make stupid/insulting statements that don't stand up to even the tiniest amount of scrutiny.

I haven't said any bad comment against NBA or any American player. I only said that statistics in Euroleague don't say the truth and that there are players due to his playing style can adapt better in NBA or Europe. It's pretty obvious that NBA is the best league and the best players play there, I did not want to discuss about that. In conclusion, Hines and Higgins are not stars, De Colo it is.

Pitimiquel wrote:

Sedale Threatt wrote:

Pitimiquel wrote:
Well, you have to know that big teams in Euroleague and domestic competition when they are facing teams that are not at the same level, players rotate a lot, so statistics in Euroleague don't say always the truth. Every player is a different world. For example Ingles, played as a 11th or 12th player in Barcelona during 3 years (my team), and now plays as a starter in the NBA. Other example would be Patrick Beverly who played in Euroleague very bad. Then we have Americans or Europeans that havent played or succed in the NBA but here are stars like Vesely, De Colo, Malcolm Delaney, Tyrese Rice, Ayon, Darius Miller...

Ingles started two games last year and is not a good player.

Otherwise, there are always going to be exceptions. Guys like Jasikevičius and Spanoulis were clearly fantastic players who for whatever reason didn't pan out over here. Maybe they came too late or didn't stick it out. Players like Diamantidis, Papaloukas and Teodosic probably would have been very good, if they'd tried. Some of the very best players we've ever had -- Olajuwon, Nowitzki, Ginobili, the Gasols -- are foreign. (Sabonis would have been top 10-20 had he came earlier and been healthy.)

Hell, I think something like 25 percent of the NBA now hails from outside the country. So there's clearly a lot of talent outside the U.S. A lot.

But when you have idiots making blanket statements about how NBA players don't play defense or lack fundamentals based on a handful games in a competition for which we might have four or five practices (and still win anyways)...I have a problem with that.

It's not an apples-to-apples comparison. As was stated, the best players in the world aren't trying to play in Europe, they're trying to play here -- and it's not just the money. The average U.S. player is going to have far, far more success overseas than the average European player would in the NBA. And there has never been an NBA All-Star who wouldn't be at least very good in Europe. It's just dumb to try to argue otherwise. If you have a different preference, that's fine. There's a lot to like about the so-called "FIBA style." But that's where it should end.

Don't take it further and make stupid/insulting statements that don't stand up to even the tiniest amount of scrutiny.

I haven't said any bad comment against NBA or any American player. I only said that statistics in Euroleague don't say the truth and that there are players due to his style of game can adapt better in NBA or Europe. It's pretty obvious that NBA is the best league and the best players play there, I did not want to discuss about that. In conclusion, Hines and Higgins are not stars, De Colo it is.

yoyoboy wrote:Damn, Australia got wrecked. What happened?

Dupp wrote:NBA players gonna win gold.

Nowitness wrote:Whoa, shocked by that Australia-Serbia score, Serbia should still offer a good gold match though.