FFDL [draft starts this Saturday!]

[sly]

OKAY

I really think this was necessary. My time is still lacking but it's improving. My time will undoubtedly be tight in the late Summer; but, I have enough in the tank to commish the league and get things back on track.

First of all, I too want to thank Jordan. I know that he's a great manager and has always been straight-up and honest. It takes a lot of time to run leagues and even when you try your best, you're getting criticism. Such is the life... but - all things considered - Jordan has kept this league afloat and has done a great job.

So, here we are. I tried to sort through everything to come up with a fair ruling. After a lot of consideration and reading everybody's posts and e-mails, this is what I want to be done:


Oden will be returned to Stanford
Stanford will lose Dorrell Wright
theman will be given Dorrell Wright
theman will be given 2010 sly 1st
theman waiver priority will be returned
stanford will have to wait an additional 5 games on Oden.

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This is the fairest thing that I could think of. Like Griffin, I think Oden should be returned to his owner. It was an honest mistake and I think that's clear to everybody. I do not think that stanford should also gain by the addition of Dorrell Wright, which happened out of the Oden drop. At the same time, I do not fault theman for picking up Oden and I think theman deserves some compensation considering the efforts that he put in place to have this sorted out before he actually claimed and received Oden.

At the same time, I think all of this could have been avoided by the commissioner if the self-directed IL system wasn't in place. With this being the second occasion, I think the league should get some of the blame. The IL system was put in place in my leagues because Yahoo pulled their IL system... which was a definite hit to the quality of play in their leagues. Our IL system worked almost as well when it was commissioner-run... but more problems arise when it's self-directed. I think theman deserves some compensation and that will come from the commissioner [1st-round pick]. theman also gets rewarded Dorrel Wright, who might have been a FA target if the claim for Oden wasn't in place. theman also gets his waiver priority returned because of that being wasted.

Because we have to move on as a league, I hope you think the ruling is fair. Everybody is all up in arms and I hope that you'll allow this change immediately.

Going forward...

Commissioner-run IL. Please do not drop your players. Put the claim on the Yahoo page and I'll drop them for you. It may not be immediate after the 5 games have been missed; but, it will be close. You may lose a game here and there if I'm late, but know that I'll be working this as my schedule permits. And know that that also happened when Yahoo's IL system was in place - they wouldn't always have the player IL eligible immediately after an injury. Feel free to put in the IL claim 3 or 4 games into an injury if you know that that player will be out. I will do my best. Once the IL player is dropped by me, you'll be responsible for adding your own player. All IL claims for your once injured player to be added, you'll have to state in the IL post on the board who you are dropping.

Does this make sense? It was the original rule that was place, and I think it's the fairest method that brings this as close to the Yahoo system that was originally in place.

Talk to me. Specifically stanford and theman. But everybody. Do you both see where I'm coming from, and do you think this is a fair resolution for our league to move forward?

[sly]

I have some more things that I want to discuss [weekly caps, streaming, roster postings, etc.] but let's clear this up first.

[writersblock]

I'll chime in: I think it's a fair resolution.

As for the Commish-run IL: I think the self-run IL works much better, as this puts undue burden on the commish, and someone's bound to complain that their player wasn't dropped in time. I guess what I'm saying is that this change probably won't decrease the complaints, it will probably just change the type of complaints. I think part of the problem was an agreed upon official time. In some leagues, if you drop the same day as the missed game, that has been permitted. In this one, it seems to have been changed to be not one minute before the 5th game is missed. I think specifying the rules might make things easier. The thing is, I'm not totally convinced that this was an IL or Commish problem, I think it's an issue of how far a commish can go to be merciful or not. So, maybe the best way is to have the Commish run IL...but let's make sure this will actually fix the problems.

[theman]

Two things.
1) Is is possible to remove the stats Dorrell Wright scored for Stanford yesterday? Not that it is a big deal (except for BWW), but could be a consideration.

2) As I said before. I thought Oden should have been returned to Stanford immediately, but if he was going to lose him it should be to me.

3) I do not think you should be penalized for something you were not involved with, therefore, I do not think me receiving your draft pick makes sense. Perhaps some extra ping pong balls would make more sense?

[theman]

I'll chime in: I think it's a fair resolution.

As for the Commish-run IL: I think the self-run IL works much better, as this puts undue burden on the commish, and someone's bound to complain that their player wasn't dropped in time.

I don't recall any problems when the IL was Commish run. Seems he would drop the player sometime the next day. Most people would put a note in 3-4 days before the fact to give him plenty of heads up. I this also allows the other league members to check for accuracy.

[writersblock]

Just back-reading here...and what's this about people leaving?

Jordan? You've built your team from scratch, and you've been one of the most active managers.
Coady? Your team is set on winning it all for the next few years....

I think we've built a great camraderie in this league...I think it's the best league on the boards BECAUSE of the activity and the camaraderie between all of us....so, I don't think anyone should consider leaving, not even Carl

[writersblock]

I think I want to add an issue that we may be ignoring...and may be relevant to discuss after the dust has settled on the current issue...though, this issue may be part the real problem, and not a commish-run IL...the issue: IL abuse: or stashing a player on the IL for as long as you feel like it, even though the player is back.

I mentioned this in the FFL thread, but I want to put this point here as well...The thing is, Yahoo wouldn't let you keep players on IL, it would even make you add them before setting your lineups. The problem with Gallo was that TheMan had stashed him on his IL, and even though he played intermittently last year, he got to keep him on his IL with the promise that he wouldn't add/drop anyone else. I think that's not a hard thing to do for someone like TheMan who has a fairly solid team. It's not much of a risk for him to hold Gallo...when others of us probably should have had the option to add him. The thing is, THEMan is doing this now, as well, leaving Shaq on the IL even though he's playing.

Frankly, I think we need to keep with the spirit of Yahoo's IL and if you don't pick the player up after he plays his first game back, then you are locked from making any roster moves or lineup changes. That's how Yahoo worked, and I think it totally unfair to let your player sit on the IL until you feel like adding him. An alternative may be to let the player go to waivers after a grace period of say, 48 hours, or so.

[CFan21]

I think we've built a great camraderie in this league...I think it's the best league on the boards BECAUSE of the activity and the camaraderie between all of us....so, I don't think anyone should consider leaving, not even Carl

1) Let me start by saying WB, I would love it if you would leave.

2) Nice work sly, all that stuff seems very reasonable, but I think TheMan is right that this shouldn't require you giving up your first round pick, but I think we all appreciate the gesture. This could be solved by giving TheMan more ping pong balls or maybe by having a 15-pick first round? Just a suggestion.

3) Is this compensation just for the Oden situation or the Gallinari one too? I feel like especially since Gallinari has become a top 50 player this season and TheMan obviously wanted him, he should get a first round pick or something like that or give Gallinari back to him and give bww compensation, whatever feels more fair. Maybe I'm holding onto an old issue, but that's what I think has most bothered me this season, that every situation but this one got the same treatment. It's the one inconsistency left.

[writersblock]

...Maybe I'm holding onto an old issue...

Yep, that sounds like you.

[sly]

I'll chime in: I think it's a fair resolution.

As for the Commish-run IL: I think the self-run IL works much better, as this puts undue burden on the commish, and someone's bound to complain that their player wasn't dropped in time.

I don't recall any problems when the IL was Commish run. Seems he would drop the player sometime the next day. Most people would put a note in 3-4 days before the fact to give him plenty of heads up. I this also allows the other league members to check for accuracy.

It's either commisioner-run or these problems pop up. The obvious reason to go to self-run is to save time for the commissioner but it promotes abuse, unintentional or not... which is always cloudy and debated.

[sly]

I mentioned this in the FFL thread, but I want to put this point here as well...The thing is, Yahoo wouldn't let you keep players on IL, it would even make you add them before setting your lineups. The problem with Gallo was that TheMan had stashed him on his IL, and even though he played intermittently last year, he got to keep him on his IL with the promise that he wouldn't add/drop anyone else. I think that's not a hard thing to do for someone like TheMan who has a fairly solid team. It's not much of a risk for him to hold Gallo...when others of us probably should have had the option to add him. The thing is, THEMan is doing this now, as well, leaving Shaq on the IL even though he's playing.

Frankly, I think we need to keep with the spirit of Yahoo's IL and if you don't pick the player up after he plays his first game back, then you are locked from making any roster moves or lineup changes. That's how Yahoo worked, and I think it totally unfair to let your player sit on the IL until you feel like adding him. An alternative may be to let the player go to waivers after a grace period of say, 48 hours, or so.

Yahoo would lock your roster for add/drops if a player on the IL had returned. Our league did - and will do - the same thing. It can be a strategic thing to stash a player away but that's okay. It also seriously restricts a roster if a healthy player is on the IL.

[sly]

Two things.
1) Is is possible to remove the stats Dorrell Wright scored for Stanford yesterday? Not that it is a big deal (except for BWW), but could be a consideration.

Impossible to do. Commissioners can't alter stats or take stats away. Or retroactively remove players from rosters, etc. Hence the penalty of an additional 5 games of Oden and the loss of Wright.

[theman]

Frankly, I think we need to keep with the spirit of Yahoo's IL and if you don't pick the player up after he plays his first game back, then you are locked from making any roster moves or lineup changes. That's how Yahoo worked, and I think it totally unfair to let your player sit on the IL until you feel like adding him. An alternative may be to let the player go to waivers after a grace period of say, 48 hours, or so.

Your memory is flawed. Yahoo would lock add/drop privileges but you most certainly could update you line up. "Stashing a player on the IL" is a lot less egregious than streaming.

[theman]

Two things.
1) Is is possible to remove the stats Dorrell Wright scored for Stanford yesterday? Not that it is a big deal (except for BWW), but could be a consideration.

Impossible to do. Commissioners can't alter stats or take stats away. Or retroactively remove players from rosters, etc. Hence the penalty of an additional 5 games of Oden and the loss of Wright.

That is what I thought, but figured I'd throw it out there.

[sly]

Frankly, I think we need to keep with the spirit of Yahoo's IL and if you don't pick the player up after he plays his first game back, then you are locked from making any roster moves or lineup changes. That's how Yahoo worked, and I think it totally unfair to let your player sit on the IL until you feel like adding him. An alternative may be to let the player go to waivers after a grace period of say, 48 hours, or so.

Your memory is flawed. Yahoo would lock add/drop privileges but you most certainly could update you line up. "Stashing a player on the IL" is a lot less egregious than streaming.

Correct... we still had the ability to change our lineups... we just couldn't pick up a player without Yahoo telling us to take care of the IL issue.

[Stanford]

theman will be given 2010 sly 1st

Why are you losing a draft pick over this? If theman is getting a draft pick, if should be from my team.

[sly]

while everybody is chiming in, can you please post your pick situation over the next three years?

i.e.

2010 - my 1st, my 2nd
2011 - my 1st owed to WB, my 2nd
2012 - WB's 1st, my 1st

I'll be keeping a running tab of rosters/picks to help us brew up some more trade activity.

[Kohanz]

I'll back whatever sly suggests - I have ultimate trust in his judgment. Although I agree that ideally he should not have to give up his pick to theman.

As far as what picks I have, I assume I have my defaults, since I don't believe I've been involved in any deals with them.

[writersblock]

while everybody is chiming in, can you please post your pick situation over the next three years?

i.e.

2010 - my 1st, my 2nd
2011 - my 1st owed to WB, my 2nd
2012 - WB's 1st, my 1st

I'll be keeping a running tab of rosters/picks to help us brew up some more trade activity.

Hi Sly...how do you owe me your 1st in 2011 and I owe you my first in 2012?

Here's my run down otherwise
2010 - My 1st, my 2nd
2011 and 2012: Need clarification from Craig.

[sly]

just using that as an example for people to also include who they sent their 1st to. Mine would read:

2010 - my 1st, my 2nd
2011 - my 1st, WB's 1st, my 2nd
2012 - my 1st, my 2nd

while everybody is chiming in, can you please post your pick situation over the next three years?

i.e.

2010 - my 1st, my 2nd
2011 - my 1st owed to WB, my 2nd
2012 - WB's 1st, my 1st

I'll be keeping a running tab of rosters/picks to help us brew up some more trade activity.

Hi Sly...how do you owe me your 1st in 2011 and I owe you my first in 2012?

Here's my run down otherwise
2010 - My 1st, my 2nd
2011 and 2012: Need clarification from Craig.