FFDL [draft starts this Saturday!]

Post #1101 » by **sly** » Thu Dec 31, 2009 5:05 am

Prince deal includes 2011 1st-rounder.... Watson has little value to me.

bww78 · Post #1102 » by **bww78** » Thu Dec 31, 2009 6:45 am

Marion deal also includes a 1st-rounder, in 2012.

Post #1103 » by **CFan21** » Thu Dec 31, 2009 7:15 am

We're allowed to deal picks three years in advance? I thought it was only 2010 and 2011 picks that were available to be traded?

AlciG · Post #1104 » by **AlciG** » Thu Dec 31, 2009 9:53 am

Setterlund wrote:We're allowed to deal picks three years in advance? I thought it was only 2010 and 2011 picks that were available to be traded?

I also thought this... maybe Sly can clear it up?

theman · Post #1105 » by **theman** » Thu Dec 31, 2009 1:55 pm

Well, you are both wrong. It's three years once the draft is over.

Post #1106 » by **sly** » Thu Dec 31, 2009 4:03 pm

yeah, i think we always listed for three years of picks. The first year usually indicated the pick number in the draft since I only really updated the page in the offseason after the lottery took place. I think having our picks laid out in the first post of thread will help everybody plan for the future and keep things a little more organized.

writersblock · Post #1107 » by **writersblock** » Thu Dec 31, 2009 9:49 pm

Anyone interested in Ron ARtest, I'm open to trading him for draft picks.

Post #1108 » by **Young_Star11** » Fri Jan 1, 2010 2:02 am

Must say the Marion trade shocked me. Rasual Butler is a year younger than Marion, and the 2012 1st is a long time into the future...the world could end by then :wink:

As for CJ Watson, I think with all the injuries GS have had, CJ will get 'consistent' minutes from here on in, and he's capable of having some big games from time to time. That was a fair trade IMO.

Post #1109 » by **sly** » Sat Jan 2, 2010 7:14 pm

Chris Andersen available for a 1st-rounder.

Post #1110 » by **sly** » Sun Jan 3, 2010 5:57 am

Trade with theman includes Jordan Hill and theman's 2012 1st-rounder

theman · Post #1111 » by **theman** » Sun Jan 3, 2010 6:10 am

I still think Jordan Hill will be good but David West is pretty much a sure thing. Hopefully, that pick won't be too high.

Post #1112 » by **Young_Star11** » Sun Jan 3, 2010 6:55 am

Why oh why Craig?

I know you are rebuilding, but you could have got a bit more for David West, who has served you so well. He is worth more than that. I'm sure a lot of teams would've parted ways with a 2012 1st, a guy theman literally just picked up, and Jordan Hill....including myself. It seems I got priced out of the market.. :-?

That said, kudos to theman for pulling off a trade. I still think that once he gets Pierce back, he will be a threat.

Post #1113 » by **sly** » Sun Jan 3, 2010 7:04 am

i sent out a bunch of offers, as you know. I tried to get top-level youth and it didn't come. I tried to overpay, and you didn't bite and neither did anybody else. So, I went after picks that I thought would be valuable in the future...

Post #1114 » by **Young_Star11** » Sun Jan 3, 2010 11:53 am

I just think you sold them too cheap. I would've waited a little longer - perhaps as we headed closer to the trade deadline. Trades happen then and people do dig deeper into their pockets...Now all you have to build with is Marc Gasol, Brandon Jennings, Seth Curry, and picks into the future that perhaps at best be in the 6-8 range. I reckon bww, Setterlund and theman's time could come and go but they will still be competitive in two years I am sure.

That said, my own team was in a similar bad state this time last year...and now things are looking alright. I don't doubt your ability to turn it around...but I feel you could've made it a little easier and fast-tracked it.

writersblock · Post #1115 » by **writersblock** » Sun Jan 3, 2010 2:08 pm

I'm not one to cry veto too much, but I have to vote veto on the current deal with Sly and the Man.

David West is a young, solid talent, and even if he is getting a 1st round pick in this deal, TheMan's team is built to compete for the next 3 years at least. And, thanks to this deal, he'll be solid for even longer. George Hill was on waivers as well.

Furthermore, there were better offers for David West: I had offered him Carl Landry, who's already performing better than Hill, plus Dajuan Blair, and my 1st rounder next year (and considering my monumental fall from grace, will yield a better chance at a good player than TheMan's picks).

So, I vote Veto. THis one is just way too one-sided.

I don't fault Craig on this, I see his intentions, he wants to grow his team, but sometimes, you get so into trading for the future, that you sell the farm...or buy the farm...or whatever, you get my point. It's happened to me, over and over again.

theman · Post #1116 » by **theman** » Sun Jan 3, 2010 2:41 pm

Carl Landry is what he is, which is a mid tier player who will end up on the bench next season. Hill has much higher upside than Blair. Our picks are a push.

Granted, I, hopefully, am not rebuilding but I would not accept our deal today and I almost rejected Sly's proposal. In fact, had KG not gotten hurt, I probably would have rejected it.

I think will all respect Sly's opinion on fantasy deals.

Now, I am heavy at PF position, if someone would like to offer a guard for one of my PF's I will consider it.

Post #1117 » by **sly** » Sun Jan 3, 2010 4:18 pm

Everybody was offering me their low-grade prospects or overachieving one-year standouts. Their useless on a team that doesn't have a chance to win this year or next. Do we really think that Landry and Blair will be star players in two years? They'll be mid-level talent at best. I sent a load of proposals and the teams out of the playoff hunt weren't offering picks or star youth for my veterans. And the teams in the race were offering me their 2010 1sts, all of which would be made even worse than what they are by me giving them more talent to compete this year.

I offered David West for Anthony Randolph when Randolph was getting 10 minutes a game. I offered David West and Marion for Anthony Randolph when Randolph was getting 15 minutes a game. Similar offers were out there for better prospects. This is a Dynasty League... if you aren't willing to deal top youth, why would anyone else? I turned down a massive offer by a rebuilding team to keep Brandon Jennings. Everybody wants to keep their star youth. So, I went for the next best thing. I went after future picks from teams that I don't think will fair very well in the future. It seemed like the best risk for me to take. To compete. It's not like West and Marion are superstar talent... I should have traded them last year and realized that I needed to start my youth movement sooner. The only superstar talent I had left was Nash, whom I traded for Marc Gasol.

Considering the amount of offers that I proposed and the fact that I made it clear that players were on the move, this is the best that I got. Should I have waited longer? Maybe. It seemed pretty clear to me, though... I wasn't getting star youth with upside for my aging top-50 veterans...

Post #1118 » by **CFan21** » Sun Jan 3, 2010 5:47 pm

I will also veto. A top 50 player in his prime to a contender for a late first round pick three years from now? Doesn't seem like it's even passably close to me.

writersblock · Post #1119 » by **writersblock** » Sun Jan 3, 2010 6:11 pm

First, I have to send out two :jawdrop:

s...one to Carl, can't believe we actually agree on something...could this be the start of a beautiful friendship? Doubt it.

Setterlund wrote:I will also veto. A top 50 player in his prime to a contender for a late first round pick three years from now? Doesn't seem like it's even passably close to me.

SEcond, an even bigger :jawdrop:

for this:

sly wrote: I offered David West for Anthony Randolph when Randolph was getting 10 minutes a game.

I don't know off hand who has Randolph, but WHAT IS WRONG WITH THAT MANAGER?

Now, I have to totally side with Craig here. I hear ya...when people scoff at good trade offers, it can drive the final offer down. I've been the victim of that time and time again...so my vote to veto is in no way against Craig. It's more against the deal in general...if anything, perhaps a veto might open the door for a better deal for Craig? I don't know, it just seems a bit too one-sided for my liking as it stands.

On a side note, I will say this: I do think that Landry and Blair will be solid top 75 talent in 2 years. Landry already is, and no matter when Yao comes back, they're not going to be able to keep him off the floor, and Blair will ease into Tim Duncan's minutes as he gets older (I think Duncan has 2 superstar years left) in the same way David Robinson lost minutes as he got older.

Post #1120 » by **Young_Star11** » Sun Jan 3, 2010 9:26 pm

I am the Anthony Randolph owner.

I sure would have taken both David West and Shawn Marion for Randolph - too much value to pass up - only I saw that trade offer when you had consummated trades with Blake and Carl. Marion left in one of those deals, killing my chances.

As for West/Randolph, it tore me up having to reject it, but I know what AR can bring to the table. He recently had a 4x5 game in about 19 minutes against the Lakers, and last night put up some nice numbers, again in very limited minutes. He's capable of some monster games.