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Re: FFL - 2012-13 - Congratulations Cy! 

Post#1741 » by jazzfan1971 » Wed Aug 7, 2013 4:52 am

sabonis wrote:complicated? really? complicated?
you can't add more than 45 players in a season and can't add more than 4 players in a week. HOW ON EARTH is that complicated? that's just an excuse to object against it. I hope you had a valid reason behind it. Other than inclination towards streaming I don't see how 4 players a week limit can affect your opinion about this.

you know what's complicated? Jazzfan's suggestion:

jazzfan1971 wrote:I'd love for the rule to be unlimited adds/drops with teh limitation that you can't add a player who's team has more games remaining that week than the one you dropped.

it isn't that hard to program in as a. option. and it would stop streaming cold without any add or drop limits. I think yahoo should do this.
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Re: FFL - 2012-13 - Congratulations Cy! 

Post#1742 » by Woody Allen » Wed Aug 7, 2013 4:56 am

I think in addition to that, there needs to be a limitation that you can't add a player who's taller and/or has a higher standing reach than the one you dropped. Otherwise it's cheating.
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Re: FFL - 2012-13 - Congratulations Cy! 

Post#1743 » by floppymoose » Wed Aug 7, 2013 5:00 am

And you can't add Rashard Lewis. That's GOTTA be cheating.
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Post#1744 » by jazzfan1971 » Wed Aug 7, 2013 5:26 am

Or. If the player you are adding has more games left, you dno't get credit for the next game(s) until the game total is equal.
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Post#1745 » by floppymoose » Wed Aug 7, 2013 6:30 am

jazzfan, I've thought about those kinds of settings some. So far I'm not satisfied with anything I've seen or thought of, though I still tinker with it. One problem with the system you mention is that it seems like it should be fine to try to get extra games (via replacing a player with another who is playing more) if your opponent is projecting to get more games played than you are.

Another approach to this would be to determine what the median games played per week should be, given the roster sizes and league settings, and just make a games played cap for each matchup.
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Re: FFL - 2012-13 - Congratulations Cy! 

Post#1746 » by jazzfan1971 » Wed Aug 7, 2013 3:32 pm

Sometimes you get more games than your opponent, sometimes you get less. It's basically a wash. It doesn't really cause much imbalance. The imbalance comes when one team consistently has more games than his opponents.

I think a simple option that prevents adds/drops from increasing # of games during the current week would be a nice option to have. I think it'd be a heck of a lot simpler than all these machinations that we have now. And folks like WB could still add and drop to their hearts content that way with nobody even thinking something streaming is going on. The only folks that would complain would be those that specifically want to stream, and if those guys wanted out of the leagues I'm in I'd be fine with that.
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Re: FFL - 2012-13 - Congratulations Cy! 

Post#1747 » by sabonis » Wed Aug 7, 2013 4:49 pm

I don't understand your suggestion, what is "increasing # of games during the current week" ?
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Re: FFL - 2012-13 - Congratulations Cy! 

Post#1748 » by bww78 » Wed Aug 7, 2013 4:58 pm

I guess we vote then.

48 hours.

Let me know which option you prefer"

1) 45 limit with no weekly limit

2) 45 limit with a 4 add weekly limit in addition

Majority wins.

I only vote in the event of a tie.
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Post#1749 » by Woody Allen » Wed Aug 7, 2013 5:10 pm

1) 45 limit with no weekly limit
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Post#1750 » by Woody Allen » Wed Aug 7, 2013 5:20 pm

And for the record I ask the 60 moves limit to be reinstated.

Last year, the 45 limit somehow passed with only 9 votes in favor. If you want to CHANGE a rule already in place, you need the majority, which is at leat 11 votes.
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Post#1751 » by jazzfan1971 » Wed Aug 7, 2013 7:12 pm

2, but, I don't think it'll make much difference either way.
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Re: FFL - 2012-13 - Voting on Rule Change 

Post#1752 » by jfrost » Wed Aug 7, 2013 8:59 pm

1) 45 limit with no weekly limit
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Re: FFL - 2012-13 - Voting on Rule Change 

Post#1753 » by Breakdown777 » Wed Aug 7, 2013 9:14 pm

I made few add/drops last year.

The player pool was non-existent. If you wanted a guy who was a half-way decent option after an injury, odds are they were picked up hours beforehand.

Therefore I deem these rule amendments tedious. In other words...I don't care.

I'm sorry if my no vote offends some of you, but I don't feel strongly either way. I'll let those who care decide.
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Re: FFL - 2012-13 - Voting on Rule Change 

Post#1754 » by sabonis » Wed Aug 7, 2013 11:46 pm

2) 45 limit with a 4 add weekly limit in addition
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Re: FFL - 2012-13 - Voting on Rule Change 

Post#1755 » by tkunit » Thu Aug 8, 2013 12:29 am

1. thats a vote for rule change option 1 and ill take #1 for the lotto
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Post#1756 » by theman » Thu Aug 8, 2013 3:19 am

floppymoose wrote:jazzfan, I've thought about those kinds of settings some. So far I'm not satisfied with anything I've seen or thought of, though I still tinker with it. One problem with the system you mention is that it seems like it should be fine to try to get extra games (via replacing a player with another who is playing more) if your opponent is projecting to get more games played than you are.

Another approach to this would be to determine what the median games played per week should be, given the roster sizes and league settings, and just make a games played cap for each matchup.

Or there could be a rule requiring player added from the wire most remain on your roster for four weeks.
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Re: FFL - 2012-13 - Congratulations Cy! 

Post#1757 » by theman » Thu Aug 8, 2013 3:20 am

bww78 wrote:I guess we vote then.

48 hours.

Let me know which option you prefer"

1) 45 limit with no weekly limit

2) 45 limit with a 4 add weekly limit in addition

Majority wins.

I only vote in the event of a tie.


2) 45 limit with a 4 add weekly limit in addition
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Re: FFL - 2012-13 - Voting on Rule Change 

Post#1758 » by theman » Thu Aug 8, 2013 3:23 am

I'll take 5 if it is still available.
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Re: FFL - 2012-13 - Voting on Rule Change 

Post#1759 » by Cyrus » Thu Aug 8, 2013 3:46 am

I want option 3) 45 limit, with 4 adds regular season, and 1 ADD in the playoffs, or NONE. You go with what got you in, for better for worse.
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Re: FFL - 2012-13 - Voting on Rule Change 

Post#1760 » by hamncheese » Thu Aug 8, 2013 5:20 am

I take #16.
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