OT: Djokovic one match away from Calendar Grand Slam

[HEKTOR]

For whatever reason, this just isn't Novak's tournament. It's entirely possible he retires with more French titles than US Open titles.

What's truly bizarre is how dominant he is at the Australian, which I'm pretty sure is the same surface (I think different hard courts have different compositions, but I'm a casual so I don't have a great idea of the differences).

Surface plays different also different conditions in regards to the weather - which effects the balls, how the ball moves through the air, etc.

Next year could be the last chance for both of them, I don't see either winning any at 36+. But then again, 6-8 years ago I probably couldn't have seen them even playing at 35-36, which seems to be a given now.

I think so too. I think these losses just show how taxing a GS tournament is on the mind and body. Djokovic looks to be in the best shape to get to 21 first but it will only get tougher by the day considering the wear and tear on the body and mind, not to mention the emergence of the younger generation. Not so easy to get by guys like Zverev, Tsitsipas, Medvedev, etc all in the same tournament.

Do you think playing in the Olympics was fatal then? Or did he have enough rest?

When you look at it - he was up a set and a break against Zverev in a best of 2. I'd say Nole playing mixed doubles was probably what put it over the top. Had he not done that he probably would have been in a better position to win the Olympics which would have made it all worth while. He bit off more than he could chew - kinda like how some of those carless sets earlier in this tournament really came back to bite him and his body as he just didn't seem to have that next gear in the final when he needed it the most.

[azcatz11]

Vintange Djork implosion. He has some of the most amazing comebacks and some of the most jarring implosions too

almost hitting the ball kid, breaking racket. Just missing a medical timeout and retirement

Whats his record in Uso finals now. Goat? LMAOOO

I actually thought he would retire after the second set

[DCasey91]

Novak caught an aging Nadal with more injuries and a grandpa Fed also having his injury woes the last few years

that plus the new crop minus Thiem and Med being complete mental midgets and mediocre caused ppl to overrate him. Even Zverev only won gold b/cit was 3 sets hes not that guy in 5

Please, if anything he’s underrated compared to the other two.

There’s more than enough evidence to be clear the Djokovic had higher level of difficulty for his wins.

If you want suspect look at Fed (04-07). Then 10-16

Djokovic’s best season and Nadal’s is actually a better comparison over Federer’s.

It’s really Nadal and Djokovic and the Joker has multiple finals wins on clay out of all things not just the slam.

Nothing more difficult than beating Nadal on clay.

[HEKTOR]

Djokovic has the greatest mental strength out of all the big-3 - and really anyone else. That doesn't mean he can't lose, he's human after all. Credit to Medvedev though, it just shows that when these guys are on top of their game and the other isn't, they can not only win, but also win quite comfortably. Much like how Djokovic dismantled Medvedev in Australia, although I'd argue Medvedev played better there then Djokovic did now in NYC.

[HEKTOR]

Vintange Djork implosion. He has some of the most amazing comebacks and some of the most jarring implosions too

almost hitting the ball kid, breaking racket. Just missing a medical timeout and retirement

Whats his record in Uso finals now. Goat? LMAOOO

I actually thought he would retire after the second set

GS W-L final record:

Djokovic
Aussie - 9-0
French - 2-4
Wimby - 6-1
US - 3-6

Federer
Aussie - 6-1
French - 1-4
Wimby - 8-4
US - 5-2

Nadal
Aussie - 1-4
French - 13-0
Wimby - 2-3
US - 4-1

[Dr Aki]

wow bull **** russian won

[DCasey91]

You want a clear read when against each other:

Total Matches:
Fed 90 39/51 (43%)
Nadal 90 52/46 (53%)
Djokovic 108 57/51 (53%)

Any Finals:
Fed 43 16/27 (37%)
Nadal 52 27-25 (52%)
Djokovic 47 28-19 (60%!!!)

Slams Matches Total:
Fed 31 10/21 (32%)
Nadal 31 20/11 (65%!!!) Duh Nadal on clay
Djokovic 34 18/16 (53%)

Slam Finals:
Fed 14 4-10 (29%)
Nadal 18 11-7 (61%)
Djokovic 14 8-6 (57%)

Notice how the others the win % in finals takes a dip? Joker rises.

ATP Masters Matches Total:
Fed 39 16/23 (41%)
Nadal 48 25/23 (52%)
Djokovic 49 27/22 (55%)

ATP Master Finals:
Fed 20 8-12 (40%)
Nadal 26 14-12 (54%)
Djokovic 22 12-10 (55%)

ATP Finals Matches total:
Fed 11 7-4 (64%)
Nadal 10 3-7 (30%)
Djokovic 11 6-5 (55%)

ATP Finals:
Fed 3 1-2 (33%)
Nadal 2 0-2 (0%)
Djokovic 3 3-0 (100%!!!)

These are the most coveted circuit tourneys and it isn’t close.

Basically Djokovic win % goes up or stays the same in the finals across all events. My goodness

Leads on win % on Grass and Hard surfaces and beats Federer by 9% while playing 11 extra games between the two on clay (34% vs 25%).

Much more parity in Djokovic/Nadal/Prime to Renaissance Fed era and more stacked on accolades across the board from 1-10 not close. Murray and Wawrinka bringing up the rear is quite possibly the deepest and most stacked 5 let alone the top 10 year after year.

Fact is Djokovic played in the hardest possible time and yet his record holds up more than well enough. Summed up he versed them the most, played the hardest comp for obvious reasons and still leads in majority share.
I mean he’s the only won to beat Nadal 7 times in a row, 2 times in a row in Clay and has 4 Clay titles including 2 slams. That alone on sheer difficulty I couldn’t pick what is harder to do at all. Fwiw Medvedev has an ATP Finals title win which is the closest thing to a Slam (if you want to count something extra as the 5th this would be the one). The new crop has been waiting in the wings for quite awhile now.

GOAT.

[rzzzzz]

GOAT.

That’s what Medvedev said today. Class remarks from both guys afterwards. Glad Joker acknowledged the crowd’s support.

And then you got Rod in the stands. Won a grand slam as an amateur and then not allowed to compete in the majors as a pro for 7 years and then wins another one. And this back when the small head wooden racquets favored the young and fleet, so that careers were much shorter. (Yeah, Rosewall is the exception that proves the rule.) Anyway, didn’t think I would be all that into this years US Open finals, but for two minimum set matches, they both were Grand.

[Bum Adebayo]

Laver is the GOAT, CYGS is the most important achievement, and Djokovic just failed to win it in one of the weakest eras ever, since Federer is done and Nadal is washed up already, so his main rivals are done and these young players are disappointing except Medvedev today.

[GSP]

You want a clear read when against each other:

Total Matches:
Fed 90 39/51 (43%)
Nadal 90 52/46 (53%)
Djokovic 108 57/51 (53%)

Any Finals:
Fed 43 16/27 (37%)
Nadal 52 27-25 (52%)
Djokovic 47 28-19 (60%!!!)

Slams Matches Total:
Fed 31 10/21 (32%)
Nadal 31 20/11 (65%!!!) Duh Nadal on clay
Djokovic 34 18/16 (53%)

Slam Finals:
Fed 14 4-10 (29%)
Nadal 18 11-7 (61%)
Djokovic 14 8-6 (57%)

Notice how the others the win % in finals takes a dip? Joker rises.

ATP Masters Matches Total:
Fed 39 16/23 (41%)
Nadal 48 25/23 (52%)
Djokovic 49 27/22 (55%)

ATP Master Finals:
Fed 20 8-12 (40%)
Nadal 26 14-12 (54%)
Djokovic 22 12-10 (55%)

ATP Finals Matches total:
Fed 11 7-4 (64%)
Nadal 10 3-7 (30%)
Djokovic 11 6-5 (55%)

ATP Finals:
Fed 3 1-2 (33%)
Nadal 2 0-2 (0%)
Djokovic 3 3-0 (100%!!!)

These are the most coveted circuit tourneys and it isn’t close.

Basically Djokovic win % goes up or stays the same in the finals across all events. My goodness

Leads on win % on Grass and Hard surfaces and beats Federer by 9% while playing 11 extra games between the two on clay (34% vs 25%).

Much more parity in Djokovic/Nadal/Prime to Renaissance Fed era and more stacked on accolades across the board from 1-10 not close. Murray and Wawrinka bringing up the rear is quite possibly the deepest and most stacked 5 let alone the top 10 year after year.

Fact is Djokovic played in the hardest possible time and yet his record holds up more than well enough. Summed up he versed them the most, played the hardest comp for obvious reasons and still leads in majority share.
I mean he’s the only won to beat Nadal 7 times in a row, 2 times in a row in Clay and has 4 Clay titles including 2 slams. That alone on sheer difficulty I couldn’t pick what is harder to do at all. Fwiw Medvedev has an ATP Finals title win which is the closest thing to a Slam (if you want to count something extra as the 5th this would be the one). The new crop has been waiting in the wings for quite awhile now.

GOAT.

"Against each other" is a flawed way to look at it considering Feds age

how many of their matches against each other was when Fed was in his late 30s? Fed made his Atp debut in the late 90s he had far more wear and tear and miles

I think Med has only lost once to Novak since 2019 altho they havent played alot. He seems better on hard surfaces IMO if Med is the real deal and the next great lets see how Novaks record looks against him when he starts entering his late 30s and Med starts hitting his prime

[DCasey91]

You want a clear read when against each other:

Total Matches:
Fed 90 39/51 (43%)
Nadal 90 52/46 (53%)
Djokovic 108 57/51 (53%)

Any Finals:
Fed 43 16/27 (37%)
Nadal 52 27-25 (52%)
Djokovic 47 28-19 (60%!!!)

Slams Matches Total:
Fed 31 10/21 (32%)
Nadal 31 20/11 (65%!!!) Duh Nadal on clay
Djokovic 34 18/16 (53%)

Slam Finals:
Fed 14 4-10 (29%)
Nadal 18 11-7 (61%)
Djokovic 14 8-6 (57%)

Notice how the others the win % in finals takes a dip? Joker rises.

ATP Masters Matches Total:
Fed 39 16/23 (41%)
Nadal 48 25/23 (52%)
Djokovic 49 27/22 (55%)

ATP Master Finals:
Fed 20 8-12 (40%)
Nadal 26 14-12 (54%)
Djokovic 22 12-10 (55%)

ATP Finals Matches total:
Fed 11 7-4 (64%)
Nadal 10 3-7 (30%)
Djokovic 11 6-5 (55%)

ATP Finals:
Fed 3 1-2 (33%)
Nadal 2 0-2 (0%)
Djokovic 3 3-0 (100%!!!)

These are the most coveted circuit tourneys and it isn’t close.

Basically Djokovic win % goes up or stays the same in the finals across all events. My goodness

Leads on win % on Grass and Hard surfaces and beats Federer by 9% while playing 11 extra games between the two on clay (34% vs 25%).

Much more parity in Djokovic/Nadal/Prime to Renaissance Fed era and more stacked on accolades across the board from 1-10 not close. Murray and Wawrinka bringing up the rear is quite possibly the deepest and most stacked 5 let alone the top 10 year after year.

Fact is Djokovic played in the hardest possible time and yet his record holds up more than well enough. Summed up he versed them the most, played the hardest comp for obvious reasons and still leads in majority share.
I mean he’s the only won to beat Nadal 7 times in a row, 2 times in a row in Clay and has 4 Clay titles including 2 slams. That alone on sheer difficulty I couldn’t pick what is harder to do at all. Fwiw Medvedev has an ATP Finals title win which is the closest thing to a Slam (if you want to count something extra as the 5th this would be the one). The new crop has been waiting in the wings for quite awhile now.

GOAT.

"Against each other" is a flawed way to look at it considering Feds age

how many of their matches against each other was when Fed was in his late 30s? Fed made his Atp debut in the late 90s he had far more wear and tear and miles

I think Med has only lost once to Novak since 2019 altho they havent played alot. He seems better on hard surfaces IMO if Med is the real deal and the next great lets see how Novaks record looks against him when he starts entering his late 30s and Med starts hitting his prime

20 yr old Djokovic washed Fed when Fed and Nadal was soloing 11 slam titles in a row.

You want a fact?

They all took finals wins and wins against each other whether it’d be pre prime, peak or post prime lol.

Nothing flawed about tennis results at all. There is no room to hide on facts.

You a want a flaw check Fed 04-07 it’s not comparable to 2010-2016.

If you want a weak era that would be more close to what your looking for to bend an argument. Fact is it wasn’t as strong.

Facts don’t care about feelings.

The overlap is so big between the three. You know why Fed didn’t win for 6 years and then suddenly magically he started winning again lol.

Dude Fed has more holes in his case then the other two. That’s a fact

[G R E Y]

Not. Quite.

[moderndarwin]

My peak Sampras comment stands. To me, the peak play of the greatest server is who Id take if it were one game for all the marbles. Sampras definitely doesn’t have the length of resume compared to the others but i truly believe if they played 10 tournaments (no clay) with all 4 of them in their prime he takes 4+ of them.

[DCasey91]

Laver is the GOAT, CYGS is the most important achievement, and Djokovic just failed to win it in one of the weakest eras ever, since Federer is done and Nadal is washed up already, so his main rivals are done and these young players are disappointing except Medvedev today.

Fed has the weakest era (04-07) when winning his slams, Nadal has a sub 40% wr in Hard, and Grass surfaces against the two. Djokovic leads all in finals win % in all matches versed the most in the hardest era for tennis not close.

Feds top ten was a lot easier than Djokovic’s top ten. Also he has more 250-500 titles which aren’t ever close

To Masters, Slams or ATP Finals titles at all.

Weak my arse

Med has a Slam now along with a ATP Finals title the other two younger players ATP Finals titles and Slam finals appearances.

What are you talking about? lol.

[DCasey91]

My peak Sampras comment stands. To me, the peak play of the greatest server is who Id take if it were one game for all the marbles. Sampras definitely doesn’t have the length of resume compared to the others but i truly believe if they played 10 tournaments (no clay) with all 4 of them in their prime he takes 4+ of them.

Well you’re wrong. Nadal is the GOAT on clay, Borg is favored on grass and Sampras is def not the favorite against Fed or Djokovic in all settings. Sampras at best is 50-50 against all of them in all 4 settings. Prime vs Prime

Face it Djokovic played in the hardest era in tennis and leads all major outcomes.

Fed passed Sampras a long ass time ago.

Nadal at 24 was the youngest in open era to win everything including all 4 slams, a gold medal (Career Golden Slam) except for.... an ATP Finals title. That’s the only one left on his spotless resume.

[DCasey91]

Laver is the GOAT, CYGS is the most important achievement, and Djokovic just failed to win it in one of the weakest eras ever, since Federer is done and Nadal is washed up already, so his main rivals are done and these young players are disappointing except Medvedev today.

ATP Finals wins

Med - 1
Tsitsipas - 1
Zverev - 1
Dimitrov - 1

Look at the list of history of winners. ATG’s, number 1’s, multi slam winners, multi slam finals appearances, multi year 2’s, Davis cup winner, dozens of Masters titles the whole works. The pedigree and evidence is more than fine.

You don’t know much about tennis do you?

[kinggnik87]

The more I read the threads, the more I see a more accurate comparison for who is the GOAT should be on Nadal and Djokovic. Not Federer.

[bamheat]

Epic choke jobs like this one is why Djoker will never be on Federer or Nadal level.

Djokers competition has been the easiest out of any big name tennis athlete too for his career.

Meddy won pretty easily because, well, he's actually good!

[Buckets22]

Djokovic? More like Chokeovich!

[Johnny Firpo]

Wow MJ wouldn’t have lost that! Lol

MJ played 11.5 seasons of NBA. If anything to question about longevity is that MJ doesn’t stack well.


20 yr old Djokovic beat prime Fed fwiw.

Federer had mono, and it took him another year and a half after that to get back into his best physical shape.