US OPEN 2010

[Ong_dynasty]

That's the first thing I noticed in his game against Lopez last night. That serve just got amazingly tough to handle. Now if he can put in some more confidence and variety into his second serve he could make a genuinely amazing upgrade in his game.

Isn't his second serve one of the best in the tour? not due to speed, but because of spin he puts into / being left handed?

If Nadal does not make the final at the very least, it should be considered disappointing.

[Slava]

I think Djoko has the best 2nd serve.

[Dupp]

im just hoping for a nadal federer final... its been so long since ive watched a grand slam final, what an idiot

[oberyn3]

I think Djoko has the best 2nd serve.

Djoko circa 2008, I'd agree with you. The current version of Djokovic has really been struggling with his serve for over a year now. It's too bad.

[Ong_dynasty]

im just hoping for a nadal federer final... its been so long since ive watched a grand slam final, what an idiot

I agree..the sad thing is, this could be the last one or atleast one of the last ones.
Can you imagine the last one was the 2009 Aussie Open, when federer broke down.

I actually love these finals because im one of the biggest Nadal Homers and my friend is one of the biggest Federer homers and we always make a gentleman's wager and make a day out of it.

[oberyn3]

I actually love these finals because im one of the biggest Nadal Homers and my friend is one of the biggest Federer homers and we always make a gentleman's wager and make a day out of it.

Considering the head-to-head record between these two, does your friend feel the same way? (j/k)

I hope there's another Fedal final, too (nothing against Djokovic and Youzhny).

[Doctor MJ]

Bummed about Woz losing. Really frustrated by the inability of this latest generation really go anywhere with the talent they must have.

[Dupp]

im just hoping for a nadal federer final... its been so long since ive watched a grand slam final, what an idiot

I agree..the sad thing is, this could be the last one or atleast one of the last ones.
Can you imagine the last one was the 2009 Aussie Open, when federer broke down.

I actually love these finals because im one of the biggest Nadal Homers and my friend is one of the biggest Federer homers and we always make a gentleman's wager and make a day out of it.

yeah well ill be watching definantly tomorrow night, tennis can be a pretty amazing sport

[Rich Rane]

Djokovic spoils Federer-Nadal final. As much as we all wanted to see the latter (myself included), that fifth set was as great a set as any.

[Dr Positivity]

Screw you Djoker!

And I love seeing Clijsters with these 3 titles after such a painful wait for the first. Great wins over Venus and Stosur on the way.

[Dr Positivity]

Bummed about Woz losing. Really frustrated by the inability of this latest generation really go anywhere with the talent they must have.

I feel the same way about Woz as I did Ivanovic, Jankovic, Safina, and I guess Zvonereva now with her random breakout if she makes her way to the top 4. They can't take it to opponents. Big difference between them and someone like Sharapova to me. The latter when she's on can force her will on the game far more

Stosur's the one with the multiple majors upside to me. Big time athlete, big serve, just needs to get there mentally. She broke down a bit in the 3rd set of the Clijsters match but was otherwise taking it to her as much as getting taken to. This is a much better sign than the way Woz lost against Clijsters last year to me.

[Raps in 4]

im just hoping for a nadal federer final... its been so long since ive watched a grand slam final, what an idiot

What would have been the point? Nadal would have just wiped the floor with Federer, like he usually does.

[Doctor MJ]

im just hoping for a nadal federer final... its been so long since ive watched a grand slam final, what an idiot

What would have been the point? Nadal would have just wiped the floor with Federer, like he usually does.

Record win not on clay: Federer 5, Nadal 4. People vastly overstate Nadal's match up edge here. Given that Federer didn't beat Djoko, I doubt he beats Nadal, but not because he's utterly incapable of beating Nadal specifically.

[Slava]

I'm really happy for Djokovic. He did something very few players other than Nadal have done, which is to not be overwhelmed while facing up to Federer. He cleaned up a lot of his game coming into this tourney and other than Nadal he looked the most impressive to me.

Made some great shots and kept Federer guessing for a good part of the game, completely deserved the win I'd say.

[Slava]

im just hoping for a nadal federer final... its been so long since ive watched a grand slam final, what an idiot

What would have been the point? Nadal would have just wiped the floor with Federer, like he usually does.

Record win not on clay: Federer 5, Nadal 4. People vastly overstate Nadal's match up edge here. Given that Federer didn't beat Djoko, I doubt he beats Nadal, but not because he's utterly incapable of beating Nadal specifically.

That can be quite deceptive since Nadal only kicked into gear on other surfaces after winning his first Wimbledon.

[Doctor MJ]

What would have been the point? Nadal would have just wiped the floor with Federer, like he usually does.

Record win not on clay: Federer 5, Nadal 4. People vastly overstate Nadal's match up edge here. Given that Federer didn't beat Djoko, I doubt he beats Nadal, but not because he's utterly incapable of beating Nadal specifically.

That can be quite deceptive since Nadal only kicked into gear on other surfaces after winning his first Wimbledon.

Eh, this guy is talking about what has actually happened. What's actually happened is no blow out by Nadal on non-clay. Fed has the overall edge. Nadal has won the 2 matches in the past 3 years, but both were 5 setters, and by that point Nadal was the #1 player in the game so him managing to squeak out victories over the #2 doesn't really tell us anything singular about the match up.

It just seems obvious that the statement was made based on a false perception of Nadal always beating Federer, and there's never been any track record of that except on clay.

[oberyn3]

Eh, this guy is talking about what has actually happened. What's actually happened is no blow out by Nadal on non-clay. Fed has the overall edge. Nadal has won the 2 matches in the past 3 years, but both were 5 setters, and by that point Nadal was the #1 player in the game so him managing to squeak out victories over the #2 doesn't really tell us anything singular about the match up.

It just seems obvious that the statement was made based on a false perception of Nadal always beating Federer, and there's never been any track record of that except on clay.

While I think Nadal's edge on clay definitely skews their head-to-head, it's also true that Nadal has always been a bad matchup for Federer, regardless of surface. Clay accentuates this, but it's not like it doesn't exist anywhere else. Fed's overall edge off of clay is 7-5 (and Nadal actually leads 4-3 on outdoor hardcourts). It's no accident that Nadal is the guy who ended Federer's record hardcourt streak or that Nadal at age 17 beat Federer in the first match they ever played (on hardcourt).

The lefty heavy topspin forehand is simply a nightmare for Fed's backhand. Couple that with Nadal's defense and there's a reason Nadal's the only guy who's consistently beaten him on the biggest stages.

This certainly doesn't mean Nadal's been the better player, but I think it's undeniable that this is not a great match-up for Fed. In the same manner that a guy like Del Potro (tall, hits flat, etc.) represents a bad match-up for Nadal.

[LLJ]

I feel the same way about Woz as I did Ivanovic, Jankovic, Safina, and I guess Zvonereva now with her random breakout if she makes her way to the top 4. They can't take it to opponents. Big difference between them and someone like Sharapova to me. The latter when she's on can force her will on the game far more
.

Sometimes people need time to develop that sort of killer instinct. I remember for a long time Kim Clijsters was criticized for being mentally soft and "too nice" when she wasn't winning any big events, as you mentioned earlier. But after she finally broke through, it's like she finally "got it" mentally. Now she's considered one of the few players who is not afraid of the Williams sisters and seems much more even keeled on the court.

[Doctor MJ]

Eh, this guy is talking about what has actually happened. What's actually happened is no blow out by Nadal on non-clay. Fed has the overall edge. Nadal has won the 2 matches in the past 3 years, but both were 5 setters, and by that point Nadal was the #1 player in the game so him managing to squeak out victories over the #2 doesn't really tell us anything singular about the match up.

It just seems obvious that the statement was made based on a false perception of Nadal always beating Federer, and there's never been any track record of that except on clay.

While I think Nadal's edge on clay definitely skews their head-to-head, it's also true that Nadal has always been a bad matchup for Federer, regardless of surface. Clay accentuates this, but it's not like it doesn't exist anywhere else. Fed's overall edge off of clay is 7-5 (and Nadal actually leads 4-3 on outdoor hardcourts). It's no accident that Nadal is the guy who ended Federer's record hardcourt streak or that Nadal at age 17 beat Federer in the first match they ever played (on hardcourt).

The lefty heavy topspin forehand is simply a nightmare for Fed's backhand. Couple that with Nadal's defense and there's a reason Nadal's the only guy who's consistently beaten him on the biggest stages.

This certainly doesn't mean Nadal's been the better player, but I think it's undeniable that this is not a great match-up for Fed. In the same manner that a guy like Del Potro (tall, hits flat, etc.) represents a bad match-up for Nadal.

All true.

[Ong_dynasty]

^^
The problem is, Nadal is still leading H2H against someone who is not a good match up for him.
http://www.tennistalk.com/en/headtohead ... fael_Nadal

Anyways, Nadal has finall won the career grandslam. and will have the chance to hold all 4 with the aussie open .