Shakedown in Memphis?

[durden_tyler]

Still a Grizz fan, but really turned off with the immaturity of this team (led by Ja).

We HAD something special last season and i think we lost that. Or if any, any momentum we gained as legit title hopefuls (or on the way there).

This team needs a shake up and i will start will Dillon Brooks-- just not a team player and very much so overrates himself offensively (he's a role player he needs to accept that)

i hope we do something at the deadline in ~24 hours but i think we're staying pat and that's bad news.

[jman3134]

Exactly the point of my other thread. I have wanted Brooks gone for years, but the void on defense would open up a can of worms to some.

I don't mind the trash talking aspect, but Brooks' cowardly antics the other day against Mitchell was a last straw as far as I am concerned on Dillon. We need to ship him out. He is always a liability in the playoffs with his missed shots, which really hurt our rhythm.

Why I wanted him gone two offseasons ago was because his perceived value was very high back then. What are we going to get for him now? A lot of the top players around the league on contenders do not like him. He's done a good job of that. And, his offense is dreadful. He's a specialist, who we should have offloaded for a 1st when we had the chance. Now, we might have to stick with him, unless a team is looking for a PatBev style player to get in the heads of his opponents. Perhaps the Clippers?

The issue is there is no consistency in the type of player we are going after from an organizational standpoint. We acquired Ja Morant and his aggressive style of play, complemented that with Bane's 3pt shooting and JJJ's D. And, Brandon Clarke is also a really good weapon for Morant. But, the picks the last few years have just been bad imo and not what we needed. We had Sengun available (just in terms of pure asset value), but took Ziaire Williams, who was not a can't miss prospect. We could have traded down and tried to get him, and if the rumors were true that he was coveted so highly, losing out on him was not a game changer. This year I could be wrong, but I don't think David Roddy and Jake LaRavia were the answer by any stretch. If they can consistently knock down 3pters, that's what we got them for. But, there were many players with higher upside available. Also, regardless of their long term outlook, even deciding to rely on draft picks to play playoff spot minutes, while dumping key, experienced role players was not the smartest decision imo. Just grab a few players who have developed their games overseas and have proven to provide D/shooting. Use them to cycle the bench unit. There are always tons of these guys. I've mentioned Dyshawn Pierre in the past. Dwayne Bacon.

[VCfor3]

I'm one of the ones who has been firmly on board the "we need Brooks for his defense" train, but him being in the middle of the worst offensive stretch of his career has been detrimental to our team. I'd still keep him over Green unless someone is assigning significant value to him, but OG being able to provide a similar level of defense is extremely appealing. If Brooks isn't in the starting lineup, we have to replace his defense and OG would do that. As for the rookies, I think Roddy might be able to give you a few solid minutes each game come playoffs but ideally we aren't relying on any of the rookies in a significant way.

Pie in the sky dream aside from getting KD or another MVP caliber player:
OG for Green, Z, 23 1st, and one more 1st at the deadline. Then this offseason, or ideally this deadline, Boston does Brown+a load of picks for KD and we are able to use the rest of our picks plus salary filler/youth to steal Brown. Problem will be how expensive the team will get in a year or two but a couple years of tax for one of the richest owners should be doable. Gives you a few swings at a championship and if the tax gets too bad you can flip someone for a solid return.

Ja/Bane/Brown/OG/JJJ

NOP would beat us out on Brown but still fun to dream.

[I Am Awesome-O]

The roster and the front office have both let media hype get to their heads. If they don't make a real move tomorrow, I'm officially calling their darling wunderkind status into question.

[I Am Awesome-O]

I'm one of the ones who has been firmly on board the "we need Brooks for his defense" train, but him being in the middle of the worst offensive stretch of his career has been detrimental to our team. I'd still keep him over Green unless someone is assigning significant value to him, but OG being able to provide a similar level of defense is extremely appealing. If Brooks isn't in the starting lineup, we have to replace his defense and OG would do that. As for the rookies, I think Roddy might be able to give you a few solid minutes each game come playoffs but ideally we aren't relying on any of the rookies in a significant way.

Pie in the sky dream aside from getting KD or another MVP caliber player:
OG for Green, Z, 23 1st, and one more 1st at the deadline. Then this offseason, or ideally this deadline, Boston does Brown+a load of picks for KD and we are able to use the rest of our picks plus salary filler/youth to steal Brown. Problem will be how expensive the team will get in a year or two but a couple years of tax for one of the richest owners should be doable. Gives you a few swings at a championship and if the tax gets too bad you can flip someone for a solid return.

Ja/Bane/Brown/OG/JJJ

NOP would beat us out on Brown but still fun to dream.

There's just no way lol. I'm not even sure if a full decade's worth of unprotected first and second round picks/pick swaps can get you to this place.

[VCfor3]

I'm one of the ones who has been firmly on board the "we need Brooks for his defense" train, but him being in the middle of the worst offensive stretch of his career has been detrimental to our team. I'd still keep him over Green unless someone is assigning significant value to him, but OG being able to provide a similar level of defense is extremely appealing. If Brooks isn't in the starting lineup, we have to replace his defense and OG would do that. As for the rookies, I think Roddy might be able to give you a few solid minutes each game come playoffs but ideally we aren't relying on any of the rookies in a significant way.

Pie in the sky dream aside from getting KD or another MVP caliber player:
OG for Green, Z, 23 1st, and one more 1st at the deadline. Then this offseason, or ideally this deadline, Boston does Brown+a load of picks for KD and we are able to use the rest of our picks plus salary filler/youth to steal Brown. Problem will be how expensive the team will get in a year or two but a couple years of tax for one of the richest owners should be doable. Gives you a few swings at a championship and if the tax gets too bad you can flip someone for a solid return.

Ja/Bane/Brown/OG/JJJ

NOP would beat us out on Brown but still fun to dream.

There's just no way lol. I'm not even sure if a full decade's worth of unprotected first and second round picks/pick swaps can get you to this place.

Memphis could do 3 1sts and 3 swaps, plus the salary filler could be rerouted for additional assets if they wanted and a young player like Santi should have some interest for them. There is no blue chip player unfortunately, but that package is relatively close to what the Nets got Harden for and more than what Jrue went for. If that trade is done in the offseason then you are trading for Brown on a one year deal which may hurt his trade value some plus we could do 4 swaps.

[I Am Awesome-O]

I'm one of the ones who has been firmly on board the "we need Brooks for his defense" train, but him being in the middle of the worst offensive stretch of his career has been detrimental to our team. I'd still keep him over Green unless someone is assigning significant value to him, but OG being able to provide a similar level of defense is extremely appealing. If Brooks isn't in the starting lineup, we have to replace his defense and OG would do that. As for the rookies, I think Roddy might be able to give you a few solid minutes each game come playoffs but ideally we aren't relying on any of the rookies in a significant way.

Pie in the sky dream aside from getting KD or another MVP caliber player:
OG for Green, Z, 23 1st, and one more 1st at the deadline. Then this offseason, or ideally this deadline, Boston does Brown+a load of picks for KD and we are able to use the rest of our picks plus salary filler/youth to steal Brown. Problem will be how expensive the team will get in a year or two but a couple years of tax for one of the richest owners should be doable. Gives you a few swings at a championship and if the tax gets too bad you can flip someone for a solid return.

Ja/Bane/Brown/OG/JJJ

NOP would beat us out on Brown but still fun to dream.

There's just no way lol. I'm not even sure if a full decade's worth of unprotected first and second round picks/pick swaps can get you to this place.

Memphis could do 3 1sts and 3 swaps, plus the salary filler could be rerouted for additional assets if they wanted and a young player like Santi should have some interest for them. There is no blue chip player unfortunately, but that package is relatively close to what the Nets got Harden for and more than what Jrue went for. If that trade is done in the offseason then you are trading for Brown on a one year deal which may hurt his trade value some plus we could do 4 swaps.

You could maybe do it if you extend the pick cadence to like 2029 and rotate unprotected 1sts and pick swaps every year to both Brooklyn and Toronto. I mean I'd do it for sure to secure a core like that but it would basically be our front office putting their careers on the line going for something with that much risk equity, which seems especially out of character for a front office that has been detrimentally conservative with giving up picks and remains focused on developing their own picks.

Can also see a guy like OG being unhappy with his role as a fourth or fifth option since that's why he's apparently wanting out of Toronto.

All that said, this would be a title team easily so I'd give up the future for that.

[jman3134]

If that was possible, that would be an absolutely optimal starting lineup and I would do whatever I could to secure that.

I don't understand the recent draft picks so much, beyond maybe taking high character, likeable guys.

I just think that we need one more guard who can create his own shot to take some pressure off Ja late game. Bane continues to improve in this way, but if we could find a piece that complements Bane's game and offers respectable shooting with an off the dribble game, I am all for it. Brown is the best of all worlds, as his game is very well rounded (though 3pt shooting is not his strongest area, he can get hot).

[SD2042]

If that was possible, that would be an absolutely optimal starting lineup and I would do whatever I could to secure that.

I don't understand the recent draft picks so much, beyond maybe taking high character, likeable guys.

I just think that we need one more guard who can create his own shot to take some pressure off Ja late game. Bane continues to improve in this way, but if we could find a piece that complements Bane's game and offers respectable shooting with an off the dribble game, I am all for it. Brown is the best of all worlds, as his game is very well rounded (though 3pt shooting is not his strongest area, he can get hot).

At this point with the recent moves in the last few hours, the Grizzlies need to make some very smart moves between now and the deadline. If the Grizzlies can get OG or Mikal Bridges that can help the Grizzlies out, I would pull the trigger. The Grizzlies do need another scorer to your point. The team does not have enough players who can create their own shot. That can be troubling come playoff time when the playoffs slow down the teams involve here.

[durden_tyler]

So both the Mavs and Suns improve. Being among the Top 3 all season long was good to see but ultimately bad for the Grizz in the stretch run because we assumed we were legit contenders in the early part of the season-- guys thought a playoff spot was going to be a cakewalk.

No trade on Thursday means we're stuck in mediocrity.

[jman3134]

I'm one of the ones who has been firmly on board the "we need Brooks for his defense" train, but him being in the middle of the worst offensive stretch of his career has been detrimental to our team. I'd still keep him over Green unless someone is assigning significant value to him, but OG being able to provide a similar level of defense is extremely appealing. If Brooks isn't in the starting lineup, we have to replace his defense and OG would do that. As for the rookies, I think Roddy might be able to give you a few solid minutes each game come playoffs but ideally we aren't relying on any of the rookies in a significant way.

Pie in the sky dream aside from getting KD or another MVP caliber player:
OG for Green, Z, 23 1st, and one more 1st at the deadline. Then this offseason, or ideally this deadline, Boston does Brown+a load of picks for KD and we are able to use the rest of our picks plus salary filler/youth to steal Brown. Problem will be how expensive the team will get in a year or two but a couple years of tax for one of the richest owners should be doable. Gives you a few swings at a championship and if the tax gets too bad you can flip someone for a solid return.

Ja/Bane/Brown/OG/JJJ

NOP would beat us out on Brown but still fun to dream.

How many crappy offers have I proposed over the years for Mikal Bridges? It looks like it could happen finally?!

[VCfor3]

I'm one of the ones who has been firmly on board the "we need Brooks for his defense" train, but him being in the middle of the worst offensive stretch of his career has been detrimental to our team. I'd still keep him over Green unless someone is assigning significant value to him, but OG being able to provide a similar level of defense is extremely appealing. If Brooks isn't in the starting lineup, we have to replace his defense and OG would do that. As for the rookies, I think Roddy might be able to give you a few solid minutes each game come playoffs but ideally we aren't relying on any of the rookies in a significant way.

Pie in the sky dream aside from getting KD or another MVP caliber player:
OG for Green, Z, 23 1st, and one more 1st at the deadline. Then this offseason, or ideally this deadline, Boston does Brown+a load of picks for KD and we are able to use the rest of our picks plus salary filler/youth to steal Brown. Problem will be how expensive the team will get in a year or two but a couple years of tax for one of the richest owners should be doable. Gives you a few swings at a championship and if the tax gets too bad you can flip someone for a solid return.

Ja/Bane/Brown/OG/JJJ

NOP would beat us out on Brown but still fun to dream.

How many crappy offers have I proposed over the years for Mikal Bridges? It looks like it could happen finally?!

He's my top target right now for sure. Too bad the reporting is that the Nets are wanting to keep him.

[jman3134]

Yeah, I saw that. He's an ideal fit for this team. I'd send all our draft picks the last two years for him plus more.

[SD2042]

Time starting to run out soon. Will the Grizzlies be able to make a move or are they fine in the West?

[MemphisX]

So both the Mavs and Suns improve. Being among the Top 3 all season long was good to see but ultimately bad for the Grizz in the stretch run because we assumed we were legit contenders in the early part of the season-- guys thought a playoff spot was going to be a cakewalk.

No trade on Thursday means we're stuck in mediocrity.

Mediocrity? The grizzlies are like the youngest or 2nd youngest team in the league after trading Danny Green. I am as frustrated as any Grizz fan. But the hard part is done: Ja/Jaren/Bane. Just have to find the right players to put around them and honestly I am not 100% sure any other player on the roster is a long-term fit or even a fit for this iteration of their era.

Mission #1: A Wing with size who can make 3s and defend up and down. That has to be solved this offseason either via trade, free agency, the draft, or development. And by development I mean one of the young guys has to show some consistency in these last 28 games and through the playoffs. Can't be a hope and a prayer for next season.

[esvl]

Whoever is unsatisfied with how this franchise has been meeting their high expectations, I suggest you guys go *** yourself - I mean support another team- there are 29 more. This franchise and its loyal fans will not miss you. Even a second. Nobody cares what do you clowns think or complain about. Nobody.

Ja is great, Dillon is a heart of the team, we are now prepared to make some noise in PO. Watch us.

[durden_tyler]

Whoever is unsatisfied with how this franchise has been meeting their high expectations, I suggest you guys go *** yourself - I mean support another team- there are 29 more. This franchise and its loyal fans will not miss you. Even a second. Nobody cares what do you clowns think or complain about. Nobody.

Ja is great, Dillon is a heart of the team, we are now prepared to make some noise in PO. Watch us.

We already made noise in the playoffs-- that's the mediocre part for me if they can't improve from previous years' performance then it's time to be really aggressive in FA or trades next season.

i still have hopes that we'll make the Western Conference finals, and anything less is a disappointment, to put it simply.