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Re: Grizz Should Forego the Playoffs 

Post#21 » by pardon_my_interruption » Tue Feb 9, 2010 10:19 pm

Downtown wrote:Finding that super sixth man in Jammal Crawford was the catalyst that put them into the next level, but no doubt their playoff experience showed them what it takes to get there.

That my man is the difference.

The Hawks were willing to take Jamaal Crawford and his contract to build on what they accomplished last year.

We...seemingly are not. The deadline's not over so of course I could be wrong, but I'm specifically referring to the current trade banter that's going back and forth about the Grizz.

There are some Jamaal Crawfords out there for Memphis to have, but we will not accept.
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Re: Grizz Should Forego the Playoffs 

Post#22 » by It_Was_Typed » Wed Feb 10, 2010 4:54 am

If Heisley/Wallace just made a trade to get some depth, the Grizz would have a playoff seed right now.
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Re: Grizz Should Forego the Playoffs 

Post#23 » by SAUCERY_SWEET » Wed Feb 10, 2010 12:45 pm

I got to admit, it would be pretty dumb to try not to make the playoffs when you have the chance. Looking to next year like it's a given, that's a losers mentality if you ask me. Some Hawks fans were talking that same mumbo jumbo back in 07 when we were 37-45 and had to play Boston in the 1st round. Everybody just knew a sweep was coming and the Hawks would just go quietly into the night, you see that wasn't the case. The experience from that 7 game series against the champs that season was the catalyst in the Hawks team you see today. Take a slice from that Memphis and don't tank your season just so you can have a couple of spots difference in the draft where nothing is a given.
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Re: Grizz Should Forego the Playoffs 

Post#24 » by jefe » Wed Feb 10, 2010 1:47 pm

pardon_my_interruption wrote:No. I believe you misunderstand.

I'm all about giving up expiring contracts and picks for immediate help. That's normally what teams looking to make a push do. However...they don't give up expiring contracts and picks for.....players on EXPIRING (rookie) CONTRACTS themselves...like what the Grizzlies are seemingly only willing to accept. What is the logic in that if you are thinking long-term and are thinking about the playoffs this year and next. Yes an expiring contract tied to a good player may help you this year...but what happens when that player goes elsewhere next season? You have one less pick to replace him and are not going to be as good as you were a couple of months before.

I'd give up an expiring and pick for Ryan Gomes for instance. But we'd rather do it for Damien Wilkins because he's expiring.



My point: trading an expiring for an expiring is a wash (unless the team entertains the idea of retaining the expiring received). As for late firsts, I don't particularly value them, but that's just my opinion. Obviously, being free to make trades without any reference to monetary implications would be awesome; however, we know Heisley and we know fiscal pressure almost all teams in the NBA are currently under. If the choice is adding a huge contract right now and losing Rudy in the offseason because we've got too much on the books for next year vs. taking on no longterm salary right now in order to be in a better position to keep Rudy (because spending money with no restraint is not an option), then I'm inclined to go with the latter. What kind of sense does it make to trade for talent inferior to Rudy if it ultimately leads to losing Rudy for nothing? It's a calculated risk either way (given the fact that in any scenario we probably won't match a max offer sheet without working out a S&T) and the less riskier course is the latter IMO.

In short, it would be awesome to make trades where money didn't matter at all - but that's not the situation we- or any team really - face, and given that, IMO trading low value assets for immediate help while refusing to take on long term salary is the better course (unless that long term salary is being paid to lebron or kobe).
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Re: Grizz Should Forego the Playoffs 

Post#25 » by PDXKnight » Wed Feb 17, 2010 5:41 am

I've never been a fan of losing, so at least from my perspective, in almost every situation I'd take the playoffs over no playoffs. The only situation where I may not want the playoffs is if my team needs a rebuild. Memphis has improved quite a bit this season, and you guys have a lot to be proud of. As a Blazer fan, I know the ups and downs of youth, but Memphis, even with the 5 game losing streak, has still had a great season all in all. Look back at most pre-season projections and Memphis was nowhere near the other western playoff contenders. The Grizz have been in it to win it so far, I don't see any reason why they shouldn't aim for the playoffs. Sure, a .500 record won't cut it in the west (at least if you want a post season appearance), but things can change quickly in the NBA. If the Grizz win some games down the stretch, they can still have a shot at the post season, and considering how well they've played at times, I don't doubt that they're capable of giving some of the western playoff teams a run for their money.
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Re: Grizz Should Forego the Playoffs 

Post#26 » by pardon_my_interruption » Wed Feb 17, 2010 3:29 pm

Oden2 wrote:I've never been a fan of losing, so at least from my perspective, in almost every situation I'd take the playoffs over no playoffs. The only situation where I may not want the playoffs is if my team needs a rebuild. Memphis has improved quite a bit this season, and you guys have a lot to be proud of. As a Blazer fan, I know the ups and downs of youth, but Memphis, even with the 5 game losing streak, has still had a great season all in all. Look back at most pre-season projections and Memphis was nowhere near the other western playoff contenders. The Grizz have been in it to win it so far, I don't see any reason why they shouldn't aim for the playoffs. Sure, a .500 record won't cut it in the west (at least if you want a post season appearance), but things can change quickly in the NBA. If the Grizz win some games down the stretch, they can still have a shot at the post season, and considering how well they've played at times, I don't doubt that they're capable of giving some of the western playoff teams a run for their money.

I would adopt this philosophy in any other situation except the one that we have here with the Memphis Grizzlies and owner Michael Heisley.

I do not think that we will challenge any team in the playoffs with our current roster. And with the parameters we are operating under regarding trades, we will not be able to acquire a player that will change that.

I know our record is the best that it has been in a few years, but if you look at this season as a whole it has for all intents and purposes been a colossal failure in my opinion. And I am not talking in terms of wins/losses...but in terms of what we have to look forward to versus what could have been..better draft picks/a cheaper contract at PF to ensure we could keep the team together going forward. Zach Randolph making the all-star game has been the lone highlight, but even his acquisition in the offseason was a horrible decision by the Grizzlies front office. It was completely money-driven because of his deferred contract. The more logical route would have been a Paul Milsap or David Lee (who himself was an All-Star) at a lesser hit to your cap. I fully accept and expect that we would be below .500 with Lee or Milsap as our starting PF, but that's would have been ok. You'd be building toward something. In line to get a better draft pick than you are today. Then also you wouldn't have to tow this ridiculous line about not taking any long-term money to re-sign Rudy Gay (who you already have Bird Rights on so that stance is ridiculous under it's own merit). You would have more salary cap flexibility if not for re-acquiring Pau Gasol's deal in the form of Zach Randolph. Not to mention the horrible draft picks this past summer with the only driving factor is to have some player insurance for next year and the year after if Rudy Gay and Marc Gasol become too costly. A team that operates with only thoughts of year to year cannot be successful in this league. You know what you end up being? A middle of the pack team like the one we had 4 years ago. With no flexibility to improve. Michael Heisley has single-handedly taken us full circle back to where we were when we were getting swept out of the playoffs and didn't have flexibility to get better. Too good to get a good player in the draft. Not good enough to really contend. Going to the playoffs against superior teams in the West is another recipe for disaster.
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Re: Grizz Should Forego the Playoffs 

Post#27 » by GrizzledGrizzFan » Wed Feb 17, 2010 5:08 pm

PMI - if the team continues to play to the level of the last 5 games or so, the playoffs are a moot point.
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Re: Grizz Should Forego the Playoffs 

Post#28 » by SD2042 » Wed Feb 17, 2010 6:38 pm

Unless we find better help to spell the starters b4 the Thurs trade deadline. We have to fight for it now. This team has comeback too far from hell to just give it up now. That's talk for a spineless coward. All they need is to instill some help from the bench to bolster our offensive punches and defensive punches so that the starters do get too tired from loggin in heavy mins on the floor. We are 26-26 right now and can still have a good chance of fighting for a playoff spot in the dogged Western Conference. Now is not the time to shut it all down. Now is the time to show resistance and resurgance like we been doing this season. Show these teams what we are capable of and that we are not a team worth underestimating. We are a team that deserves a fighting chance to fend for what is our. A chance to go to the playoffs and give em hell the best way we know how.
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Re: Grizz Should Forego the Playoffs 

Post#29 » by It_Was_Typed » Wed Feb 17, 2010 9:34 pm

It_Was_Typed wrote:If Heisley/Wallace just made a trade to get some depth, the Grizz would have a playoff seed right now.
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Re: Grizz Should Forego the Playoffs 

Post#30 » by jman3134 » Thu Feb 18, 2010 10:21 pm

Yeah GGF, it looks like we will forego the playoffs......without trying to!
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Re: Grizz Should Forego the Playoffs 

Post#31 » by pardon_my_interruption » Thu Feb 18, 2010 10:27 pm

jman3134 wrote:Yeah GGF, it looks like we will forego the playoffs......without trying to!

Yep. We are the Charlotte Bobcats of last year.

Get ready for the #12 pick! :D
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Re: Grizz Should Forego the Playoffs 

Post#32 » by vanjulio » Thu Feb 18, 2010 10:34 pm

I think we have a real shot now especially with Clippers and Rockets now out of contention. I'm not a fan of Kevin Martin Landry trade... but we'll see. I could be dead wrong.
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