[Woj] Winslow, Waiters, Johnson for Iggy, Hill, Crowder

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Lakers #1 in the West - C = McGee, Howard, Davis

McGee - Athletic, shot blocker
Howard - Post big
Davis - Small ball

Davis goes down with injury, they still have Howard & McGee, depth.

Bucks #1 in the East - C = Brook, Robin, Giannis

Brook & Robin - Post big men, that can be utilized as stretch big men.
Giannis, both a rim runner & small ball C.

Raptors #2 in the East - C = Gasol, Ibaka, Pascal

Ibaka - Athletic, 3&D shot blocker
Gasol - Post big, that can be utilized as a stretch big
Pascal - Small ball, rim runner

Gasol & Pascal spend time on the injury list, they still have Ibaka, depth.

Memphis post trade - C = Jonas, Dieng, 3J

Dieng - athletic, defensive, shot blocker, who can stretch the floor.
Jonas - Post big, that can be utilized to stretch the floor.
3J - Small ball 5, with size & length like Davis. Potential 3 level scoring defensive shot blocker.
Clarke - Small ball 5, defensive rim runner

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Post trade -

- Memphis have a front court that can match up with the Lakers.
- If Winslow is healthy, he has the size & strength to guard Lebron.
- Laker's don't have secondary playmaking outside of Lebron, without running Rondo, who kills their spacing.
- Memphis depth/bench IMO > Lakers outside of Lebron & Davis.

For me the biggest concern is the refs trying to advance Davis & Lebron for ratings purposes. I watched them blatantly rob Pacers in the first round a couple years ago in that Cavs series. Pacers should have won in the very least in 6, possibly 5.

After taking game 1, Olidipo was fouled out of game 2 in the first couple minutes, in a game that ended in a one possession loss. Game 5 or 6, I can't remember had a game altering call to steal another game for the Cavs, even Stephen A commented on it. Long story short Pacers had that series stolen from them so that the league could advance Lebron. I doubt they want to see both Davis & Lebron ousted in the first round against a small market team. Memphis better get used to playing 5 vs 8. Don't look for call & don't let the bad whistle knock you off your game, they have to call the obvious more often than not.

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In the 17 games Dieng started for Minnesota this year, he has a 118 Ortg / 101 Drtg.

A combined +/- (-1) with a losing team record of 6-11.

Effectiveness & playing time.

0-9 mins played - 68 Ortg / 109 Drtg (-10.1)
10-19 mins played - 110 Ortg / 107 Drtg (-13) 347 mins total
20-29 mins played - 116 Ortg / 101 Drtg (+ 2.2) 357 mins total
1 game with 40+ mins played - 138 Ortg / 87 Drtg (+6.5)

With Jonas playing 25mins on average, Dieng should get some burn, especially against teams Jonas can't guard in space. Like NO's.

Dieng 1 game vs NO's - 155 Ortg / 110 Drtg

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How are you guys assessing this trade now given what happened on the free agent market?

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How are you guys assessing this trade now given what happened on the free agent market?

I firmly believe Memphis would have given LA a fight if not for several key injuries, It's unfortunate. Portland needed a lop sided whistle (+20 on the line) to get in with Memphis down 2 starters & their backup PG.

Dieng's 3pt shooting fell off after being traded & Winslow has yet to play a game where Jae was better for Miami than he was in Memphis but I still think their expiring value was worth the risk/reward, though it didn't go as hoped.

This year, It's entirely possible Winslow shows something to increase his court/trade value & with 3J still injured, Dieng is still solid depth/insurance.

Worse case scenario, Memphis didn't trap themselves into anything long term, both players are now potentially 30m in expiring value with Winslow's TO outside of their potential court value, which should be valuable for teams vying for Giannis in free agency.

Long & short of it, I wouldn't have wanted to put that 30m into Hayward. So if it saved Memphis from doing that, I'm even more great full for the trade. If Charlotte is lucky enough for him to stay healthy good for them, a potential injury there & it would ruin what Memphis has going. IMO, that's the kind of signing/risk you make as a final complimentary piece to a contender, not building block for a young team that had a good year.

[E S V L]

How are you guys assessing this trade now given what happened on the free agent market?

I firmly believe Memphis would have given LA a fight if not for several key injuries, It's unfortunate. Portland needed a lop sided whistle (+20 on the line) to get in with Memphis down 2 starters & their backup PG.

Dieng's 3pt shooting fell off after being traded & Winslow has yet to play a game where Jae was better for Miami than he was in Memphis but I still think their expiring value was worth the risk/reward, though it didn't go as hoped.

This year, It's entirely possible Winslow shows something to increase his court/trade value & with 3J still injured, Dieng is still solid depth/insurance.

Worse case scenario, Memphis didn't trap themselves into anything long term, both players are now potentially 30m in expiring value with Winslow's TO outside of their potential court value, which should be valuable for teams vying for Giannis in free agency.

Long & short of it, I wouldn't have wanted to put that 30m into Hayward. So if it saved Memphis from doing that, I'm even more great full for the trade. If Charlotte is lucky enough for him to stay healthy good for them, a potential injury there & it would ruin what Memphis has going. IMO, that's the kind of signing/risk you make as a final complimentary piece to a contender, not building block for a young team that had a good year.

1. Who won this trade?
2. Grade each team for this trade.

There are some guys in the Trade and Transactions section who have argued that Memphis really overpaid.

[Whole Truth]

How are you guys assessing this trade now given what happened on the free agent market?

I firmly believe Memphis would have given LA a fight if not for several key injuries, It's unfortunate. Portland needed a lop sided whistle (+20 on the line) to get in with Memphis down 2 starters & their backup PG.

Dieng's 3pt shooting fell off after being traded & Winslow has yet to play a game where Jae was better for Miami than he was in Memphis but I still think their expiring value was worth the risk/reward, though it didn't go as hoped.

This year, It's entirely possible Winslow shows something to increase his court/trade value & with 3J still injured, Dieng is still solid depth/insurance.

Worse case scenario, Memphis didn't trap themselves into anything long term, both players are now potentially 30m in expiring value with Winslow's TO outside of their potential court value, which should be valuable for teams vying for Giannis in free agency.

Long & short of it, I wouldn't have wanted to put that 30m into Hayward. So if it saved Memphis from doing that, I'm even more great full for the trade. If Charlotte is lucky enough for him to stay healthy good for them, a potential injury there & it would ruin what Memphis has going. IMO, that's the kind of signing/risk you make as a final complimentary piece to a contender, not building block for a young team that had a good year.

1. Who won this trade?
2. Grade each team for this trade.

There are some guys in the Trade and Transactions section who have argued that Memphis really overpaid.

Seeing that Justice was the main target in trade & has yet to play, while Miami got good minutes from Crowder while dumping several unwanted contracts, I'd say, so far, Miami got the better end of the deal. This can change depending on what Justice does this year.

I did think Memphis should have gotten an additional pick because of Winslow's health concern combined with the amount of unwanted salary Miami was dumping but wasn't too upset about it. Not too long ago Miami was asking for a lot for Winslow, where Memphis basically traded expiring value for him. It all comes down to his health & reliability, which will play out this year.

Miami getting production from Crowder/Hill, while clearing unwanted salary = A

Memphis taking a low risk, high reward to land a good young wing with health concerns, using only cap space = C+ to B-

Memphis got the short end due to Winslow reinjuring himself but don't think overall it was a bad risk for them to take. It was high reward, with no long term negative effect, with the cost being expiring value only. Worse case, that expiring value was bumped a year where they now have 30m expiring in a Giannis free agent pool apposed to this years weak FA class.

If Winslow can stay heathy this year & play to his standards, I'd bump Memphis grade to an A. As Winslow would likely become another young asset for 2 players Memphis had no intention on retaining. Where no player of Winslow's youth/potential would have come cheaper this free agency. Memphis having the control/flexibility to use him as either an expiring or young asset in trade, depending.

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Sadly, you left nothing for me to comment. It happens. I must be strong.

[VCfor3]

I still feel like this trade was a smart gamble and that the only thing we lost out on was maybe a couple 2nds in some of those smaller salary dumps. The larger salary dumps weren't great value and given how almost every FA was overpaid I'm happy we sat this round out. If Winslow can't stay healthy or flat out sucks, we simply decline his TO and use the extra cap space this next offseason. No big loss. If he plays well and gets healthy then maybe we have a solid piece to put around Ja and JJJ moving forward that really didn't cost much in the grand scheme of things.

Overall we lost on value given the risk and Winslow not yet playing for us, but we really didn't have much better options out there so I'm still happy with the move.

[SD2042]

The Grizzlies took more of the brunt of the trade and somewhat won out financially. With Winslow, he's a secondary playmaker and defensive player who can cover multiple positions. A reliable playerthe grizzlies can use. However his offense is inconsisent and needs to improve. His injuries are a call for concern. If he does not materialize as a player with the Grizzlies, his contract is a team option that Grizzlies can opt to excercise as his contract does open cap room. Dieng spells some minutes at the C/PF position depending on matchups. And he comes with an expiring contract. So more open cap room once his contract expires. Waiters was paid to go away.

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Sadly, you left nothing for me to comment. It happens. I must be strong.

I tend to ramble.

Memphis fans could watch the trade simply like this..

With both Hill & Crowder expired, Winslow was signed to 15 mil + TO, where players of his caliber signed for far more.

To get Winslow to sign, they had to offer Dieng a 1 yr 16 overpayment, which was eased by the need for depth with 3J injured.

At any rate far less money spent if they had to actually outright sign Winslow as a free agent